Elias Pettersson | Quinn Hughes - Contract Discussion Thread

[wallstreetamigo]

Just now, Bertuzzipunch said:

Yeah you’re in the 1% of canuck fans that thinks its a good idea to trade hughes. Good thing nobody listens. 

Depends on the return.

 

If only 1% of fans think there is a package that would make sense to trade Hughes then only 1% of fans are realistic and smart. 

[Bertuzzipunch]

5 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Depends on the return.

 

If only 1% of fans think there is a package that would make sense to trade Hughes then only 1% of fans are realistic and smart. 

Neely for peterson was supposed to be smart

[DeNiro]

11 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Depends on the return.

 

If only 1% of fans think there is a package that would make sense to trade Hughes then only 1% of fans are realistic and smart. 

Unless it’s a Subban for Weber like trade where we’re getting a young Weber like player back, there’s no way we do it.

 

Doubt a trade like that even exists.

[wallstreetamigo]

1 minute ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

Neely for peterson was supposed to be smart

Lol that comparison makes no sense based on what I said. Other than the circumstances of it being completely different and Hughes being nothing like Neely as a player.

 

Not sure why anyone would think no package of players/picks would be worth Quinn Hughes. Talk about overrating him.

[wallstreetamigo]

1 minute ago, DeNiro said:

Unless it’s a Subban for Weber like trade where we’re getting a young Weber like player back, there’s no way we do it.

 

Doubt a trade like that even exists.

If Colorado offered Makar straight up I would take that and run.

[wallstreetamigo]

Hughes is not worth 8x8. No way in hell. 

[DeNiro]

2 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

If Colorado offered Makar straight up I would take that and run.

Colorado doesn’t do that.

 

There would be no motivation to as Makar is currently the better player.

[Scottydzik]

23 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

No way should the Canucks give Hughes a Chabot contract at this point. 8 mil long term for a completely one dimensional player is a bad idea.

 

I would trade him for a true #1 dman or a package of core age young players including an offensive dman before I would lock him up for that much. He has to show he can be more than a pp/offensive specialist first and can grow defensively.

I agree at this point if Hughes wants 8 or more his value is at real high you check market for him 3x7 pettersson similar to barzal 3x5.5 similar to mccavoy

[Bertuzzipunch]

2 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Lol that comparison makes no sense based on what I said. Other than the circumstances of it being completely different and Hughes being nothing like Neely as a player.

 

Not sure why anyone would think no package of players/picks would be worth Quinn Hughes. Talk about overrating him.

My point is theres no reason to trade him dude has played like 100 games. Hughes is one of the best young defenseman in the entire league regardless of your opinion of him.

[DeNiro]

7 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

My point is theres no reason to trade him dude has played like 100 games. Hughes is one of the best young defenseman in the entire league regardless of your opinion of him.

You definitely don’t trade him. At best you’d be hoping for a lateral move which makes no sense.

 

You also don’t sign him to an 8 year deal. He should be getting 3 years just like Petey. 
 

Time to prove that he can be an elite number 1 while the salary cap is flat. If he’s earned himself 9 mil a season after that great!

[Bertuzzipunch]

6 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

You definitely don’t trade him. At best you’d be hoping for a lateral move which makes no sense.

 

You also don’t sign him to an 8 year deal. He should be getting 3 years just like Petey. 
 

Time to prove that he can be an elite number 1 while the salary cap is flat. If he’s earned himself 9 mil a season after that great!

He should sign for 4 years so hes still a RFA and the nucks dont have to negotiate a new contract for both him and petey the same year again.

 

edit: 4 years 21.2 mill 5.3 AAV

Edited June 29, 2021 by Bertuzzipunch

[wallstreetamigo]

55 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

My point is theres no reason to trade him dude has played like 100 games. Hughes is one of the best young defenseman in the entire league regardless of your opinion of him.

My opinion of him is that he is one of the best young offensive dmen in the game. His defense is a huge work in progress though. 

 

The "reason", as I explained, was to avoid a huge mistake 8x8 contract and to get a better rounded, still one of the best young dmen in return.

 

You make it sound like I am saying trade him for the sake of it. I have never suggested anything close to that though. But if the package you get back is worth it, sorry but bye Quinn.

[wallstreetamigo]

48 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

You definitely don’t trade him. At best you’d be hoping for a lateral move which makes no sense.

 

You also don’t sign him to an 8 year deal. He should be getting 3 years just like Petey. 
 

Time to prove that he can be an elite number 1 while the salary cap is flat. If he’s earned himself 9 mil a season after that great!

A lateral move for a bigger, better defensive and elite offensive, comparably aged dman is a trade I would never say no to. 

 

8x 8 would be a massive mistake. No #1 dman in the NHL is all offense, no defense.

[Bertuzzipunch]

14 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

My opinion of him is that he is one of the best young offensive dmen in the game. His defense is a huge work in progress though. 

 

The "reason", as I explained, was to avoid a huge mistake 8x8 contract and to get a better rounded, still one of the best young dmen in return.

 

You make it sound like I am saying trade him for the sake of it. I have never suggested anything close to that though. But if the package you get back is worth it, sorry but bye Quinn.

I dont think you give his offensive upside enough credit. Look at tampas pp tonight against the best PK unit in the playoffs so far. Tampa were making passes to each other like nobody else against them. Having a good pp is such a huge key for playoffs it might be even be the main key. We have a piece that could be the best or one of the best in the  league and thats wirth a hell of a lot. Even in the bubble we were successful because of how well our pp was and he was fricken 20 years old at that time. Of course i wouldnt wanna trade this guy whos a bit better at defense when our team has hard enough time scoring goals. Lets see how he does with petey and podz in the lineup and doesnt have a highmore on the top line

[BigTramFan]

1 hour ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

He should sign for 4 years so hes still a RFA and the nucks dont have to negotiate a new contract for both him and petey the same year again.

 

edit: 4 years 21.2 mill 5.3 AAV

I agree with the 4 years for Hughes - keep him as a RFA when next contract comes up. I think $5.3m is a bit low. I would still be happy with $6m x 4 years.

 

Whereas Pettersson we can go for max 3 years so he is still RFA too. Probably more like $7m x 3 years for him.

[Guest]

I have a made a career out of disagreeing with @wallstreetamigo but I'm with him on this one.  I can easily come up with at least 10 young players that I would trade him for....  here, I'll name five d-men:  

-Cale Makar 

-Adam Fox 

-Jacob Chychrun 

-Miro Heiskanen 

-Rasmus Dahlin 

 

You might be having to add a draft pick one way or another.  

[wallstreetamigo]

4 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

I have a made a career out of disagreeing with @wallstreetamigo but I'm with him on this one.  I can easily come up with at least 10 young players that I would trade him for....  here, I'll name five d-men:  

-Cale Makar 

-Adam Fox 

-Jacob Chychrun 

-Miro Heiskanen 

-Rasmus Dahlin 

 

You might be having to add a draft pick one way or another.  

This.

 

Not suggesting we trade him for garbage if he is traded. But he has not earned an 8x8 contract. Thats getting to elite all around dman territory for a contract.

 

And sorry to say, but Hughes needs to prove he can play defense before they back up the brinks truck imo.

[wallstreetamigo]

4 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

I dont think you give his offensive upside enough credit. Look at tampas pp tonight against the best PK unit in the playoffs so far. Tampa were making passes to each other like nobody else against them. Having a good pp is such a huge key for playoffs it might be even be the main key. We have a piece that could be the best or one of the best in the  league and thats wirth a hell of a lot. Even in the bubble we were successful because of how well our pp was and he was fricken 20 years old at that time. Of course i wouldnt wanna trade this guy whos a bit better at defense when our team has hard enough time scoring goals. Lets see how he does with petey and podz in the lineup and doesnt have a highmore on the top line

Defense and goaltending are far more important in the playoffs. Which team advancing out of the 1st round or beyond has a #1 dman who can only play offensively ? None, and its not a coincidence. Hughes is already small and gets pushed off pucks like crazy. 

 

Building an all offense style and relying on your PP as the main way to win you series gets you the allergic to winning a playoff round Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

Hughes wanting a long term, big money contract right now on his second deal seems very telling about the risk him and his agent see to him being able to cash in later by becoming a much better overall player.

 

8x8 not that far off the 2nd contracts people here laugh at the leafs for signing. At least Matthews, Marner, and even Nylander can play adequate defensively - and they are forwards not dmen.

 

Sorry, love the kid but he is the poster child for why bridge contracts need to still be a thing.

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Defense and goaltending are far more important in the playoffs. Which team advancing out of the 1st round or beyond has a #1 dman who can only play offensively ? None, and its not a coincidence. Hughes is already small and gets pushed off pucks like crazy. 

 

Building an all offense style and relying on your PP as the main way to win you series gets you the allergic to winning a playoff round Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

Hughes wanting a long term, big money contract right now on his second deal seems very telling about the risk him and his agent see to him being able to cash in later by becoming a much better overall player.

 

8x8 not that far off the 2nd contracts people here laugh at the leafs for signing. At least Matthews, Marner, and even Nylander can play adequate defensively - and they are forwards not dmen.

 

Sorry, love the kid but he is the poster child for why bridge contracts need to still be a thing.

When i heard they were looking at longer term for QHs and EPs was pretty much one and done as a bridge (Barry using the media) was disappointed given i'd be doing it the other way around.   Could just be posturing, or maybe it could be QHs isn't going to be getting as much as we'd thought.    Got a little nervous when i saw what THN predicted recently (both in the 7-8 range), but think it was a typo for QHs - When they have Dahlin getting 4-5 and Makar 5-6 .... However Heiskanen  was also 7-8 so who knows, just a different writer doing the teams they were assigned.     Bertuzzi-Punch suggesting 5.25 x 4 seemed right on the money to me.    The fact only a small part of the season with Hamonic actually worked well is a massive red flag to me, Tanev for sure was covering for him his rookie year.    Nice thing on that they had Hamonic 1-2 ... seems like they were all over the place ... Sutter 2-3 Eagle 3-4....

[IBatch]

6 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

I dont think you give his offensive upside enough credit. Look at tampas pp tonight against the best PK unit in the playoffs so far. Tampa were making passes to each other like nobody else against them. Having a good pp is such a huge key for playoffs it might be even be the main key. We have a piece that could be the best or one of the best in the  league and thats wirth a hell of a lot. Even in the bubble we were successful because of how well our pp was and he was fricken 20 years old at that time. Of course i wouldnt wanna trade this guy whos a bit better at defense when our team has hard enough time scoring goals. Lets see how he does with petey and podz in the lineup and doesnt have a highmore on the top line

It is freaking awesome to finally have a D that can break Lidsters record.   What he did as a rookie shouldn't be forgotten either, for himself into the both the club and the league record books (think the league was for most multi point games or something, breaking or tying Borques) ... 

 

I do wonder now that we are about to lose our bottom six expensive depth guys, how that is going to work for us next time we make it to the show though, Sutter and Beagle might not of got on the scoreboard much at all, but we're for sure helpful in the dot and in other ways.   EP and QHs both got a ton of attention, and for the most part passed with flying colours.    Yes Vegas the team was in way over their heads though, and both weren't as effective (but neither was anyone else aside from Demko, Motte and Myers). 

 

I've been tough on Hughes and suggested instead of trying to find him the right partner (the team went through this with the Sedins...took a long time to find them Burrows),  and if we really are going to trade our 9th for Reinhardt, maybe we just go all in now and move QHs for Ekblad or Chychrun or Fox or whomever (if even possible).   Risky.    He's not the only guy we've had that can create offense, Jovo could, Lumme, Reinhart, Lanz, Lidster one year etc, and doesn't look to be a guy who's going to score many goals.     But he for sure has more potential that anyone i've ever watched, and he's living in an era these guys can flourish.   No redline.   No obstruction etc.    Love to see him skate the puck in and keep going more often (take it to the net like Myers will), did it once against Vegas and we won that game.    QHs is a crafty little puck wizard.    Would be awesome if we had a bomb from the point for him to dish too as well.