Popular Post Chris Thornycroft Posted October 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2021 12 hours ago, Patel Bure said: Well that’s where his wife and her strap on comes into play I’m guessing. :-p. I kid I kid. Actually, Travis Hamonic's absence is probably related to his daughter's health, COVID and the fact that it was just National Truth and Reconciliation Day and he's a Metis guy and probably has serious responsibilities in that respect, particularly at this time. That's as far as I need to go with the speculation. The rest is private stuff. I'd pick my family and my cultural responsibilities too if I were him over a hockey game every day of the week. You have to do what you have to do. Some things are bigger than skating around trying to put a big piece of rubber into a net, especially if you can financially afford to take the time off and be there for your family, especially with what's being on with the pandemic, his daughter and the ceremonies going on the past few days. I figure what happened to all those kids back in the day is a bit more important than slapping a piece of rubber around with a piece of wood or carbon fibre. But that's as far as I'll go, both for his and his family's privacy, the situation, and the fact that this is a hockey forum, not a gossip column. #FamilyFirst 3 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 15 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said: I think our window is just opening. Elias, Quinn, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Rathbone and even a guy like Boeser need another year or two to start hitting their primes. It's going to be a fun 5 years coming up! :D In terms of evolving from a 1st round calibre team (which is where they are now imo), into an elite team, I think the biggest key for this Canucks team will be in finding a suitable top pairing calibre “stay at home RD” that can be a suitable ying to the Yang for one of Hughes or OEL. Hughes-??? OEL-Poolman Rathbone-Myers Hamonic is ok for now but at some point, the Canucks will need that top pairing stay at home guy on RD. If guys like Klimovich and Rathbone take leaps in their games, it will give us options in terms of trading for a top RD. You could possibly use Klimovich as a Boeser replacement and then move Boeser for a top pairing RD. Maybe one of Klimovich and/or Rathbone could be used as sweeteners in order to get an upgrade on Myers. The bottom line is that the development of both Rathbone and Klimovich will give the Canucks some significant options in terms of ascending to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Do we know if these two are back in Vancouver and ready to start practicing yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Thornycroft Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Patel Bure said: In terms of evolving from a 1st round calibre team (which is where they are now imo), into an elite team, I think the biggest key for this Canucks team will be in finding a suitable top pairing calibre “stay at home RD” that can be a suitable ying to the Yang for one of Hughes or OEL. Hughes-??? OEL-Poolman Rathbone-Myers Hamonic is ok for now but at some point, the Canucks will need that top pairing stay at home guy on RD. If guys like Klimovich and Rathbone take leaps in their games, it will give us options in terms of trading for a top RD. You could possibly use Klimovich as a Boeser replacement and then move Boeser for a top pairing RD. Maybe one of Klimovich and/or Rathbone could be used as sweeteners in order to get an upgrade on Myers. The bottom line is that the development of both Rathbone and Klimovich will give the Canucks some significant options in terms of ascending to the next level. For all of Benning's great signings, allocating $6 million under the cap for a bottom pairing defenseman in Tyler Myers long term seems a bit silly. The guy realistically a #4 man, but on this team, you can't put him in the top 4, because he's not defensively responsible enough to play those minutes without a defensively sound partner. So he's a $6 million d-man stuck on the bottom pairing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 11 hours ago, Player Name said: My first post, saved it until EP and QH signed. I approve of these deals, excited for the season to start. Welcome to the board.... love the name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coryberg Posted October 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, Chris Thornycroft said: For all of Benning's great signings, allocating $6 million under the cap for a bottom pairing defenseman in Tyler Myers long term seems a bit silly. The guy realistically a #4 man, but on this team, you can't put him in the top 4, because he's not defensively responsible enough to play those minutes without a defensively sound partner. So he's a $6 million d-man stuck on the bottom pairing. 22:05 minutes a game is bottom pairing defenseman now? When did they start playing 30 minute periods? I must have missed that. 3 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EB43 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Benning had a fabulous off-season. We are now set up with depth in all positions, so getting into the playoffs is for certain. Then Petey and Quinn will lead the group to the Cup. So the world isnt collapsing? I’m so confused with this optimism? Yay? Go Canucks? What about Jp berry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 hours ago, grumpyone said: wasn't Petey quoted early in the summer that he wanted to play on a competitive team? it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what those $11+mill. contracts do to a teams make up. (it handicaps the entire team ) he seems smart about it, I'll take a little over 7 now on a show me contract...it's not what HE can show, it's on Benning to show HIM what the Canucks can do. Agree... gives JB and Green in particular a few years to show, where we're heading. Bring it on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jester13 Posted October 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2021 53 minutes ago, Chris Thornycroft said: For all of Benning's great signings, allocating $6 million under the cap for a bottom pairing defenseman in Tyler Myers long term seems a bit silly. The guy realistically a #4 man, but on this team, you can't put him in the top 4, because he's not defensively responsible enough to play those minutes without a defensively sound partner. So he's a $6 million d-man stuck on the bottom pairing. Myers is not a bottom pairing defenceman, and he's worth every penny of his $6M per year. Give your head a shake, man. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Chris Thornycroft said: For all of Benning's great signings, allocating $6 million under the cap for a bottom pairing defenseman in Tyler Myers long term seems a bit silly. The guy realistically a #4 man, but on this team, you can't put him in the top 4, because he's not defensively responsible enough to play those minutes without a defensively sound partner. So he's a $6 million d-man stuck on the bottom pairing. I really like Tyler Myers and he was in my opinion our best dman last year (by a landslide too). I do agree with you though that we haven't seen Myers in a pairing that works well. He's often been put with Hughes, Rathbone and Juolevi who all have big defensive deficiencies. So as a result we often have Myers playing on what is considered a third pairing HOWEVER he is our most important PK dman. So no matter how you slice it, he will end up getting the toughest minutes on the team (and a lot of them) because of the PK. Calling Myers a 3rd pairing dman when he's playing 22 minutes night in night out is a bit misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, johngould21 said: ..nothing left for goaltending and defense. Yep. As I was saying yesterday, the Leafs tried to model themselves after the championship winning Penguins, but it looks like their core will be destined to be the 2010-2015 Penguins instead (ie a very good team that ultimately falls short to teams that with more depth to the way their respective caps are allocated). I expect that the Leafs will have a few 2nd and even 3rd round appearances before Austin Matthews departs in a few years. I just can’t see the Leafs going beyond that level however. ps - by the way, I get a lot of things wrong in my predictions, but I did predict that the Tavares signing in Toronto would give them more long term problems than success. Many posters on HF Canucks such as Y2kCanucks, ProstheticConscience, etc., scoffed at my remarks since the Leafs are their paragon of success. #Shanaplan Edited October 2, 2021 by Patel Bure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IBatch Posted October 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Chris Thornycroft said: For all of Benning's great signings, allocating $6 million under the cap for a bottom pairing defenseman in Tyler Myers long term seems a bit silly. The guy realistically a #4 man, but on this team, you can't put him in the top 4, because he's not defensively responsible enough to play those minutes without a defensively sound partner. So he's a $6 million d-man stuck on the bottom pairing. Wow. Our best all around D last season...very little PP time to pad his stats, and almost twice as many PK minutes then Hamonic, and virtually the same overall as Edler. If we weren't playing catch up most of the year and wasn't played with QHs his plus minus would be near best on the team too. He's earned every penny of his deal so far as a free agent. We are lucky to have him ... our right side would be awful without him. 2 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Jester13 said: Myers is not a bottom pairing defenceman, and he's worth every penny of his $6M per year. Give your head a shake, man. Who should he be paired with? OEL and Hughes need another partner and if OEL lives up to his contract he will take most minutes. Hughes want some action also. So Myers won’t see any PP time this season. Will PK and 3rd pairing give enough to support your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, IBatch said: Wow. Our best all around D last season...very little PP time to pad his stats, and almost twice as many PK minutes then Hamonic, and virtually the same overall as Edler. If we weren't playing catch up most of the year and wasn't played with QHs his plus minus would be near best on the team too. He's earned every penny of his deal so far as a free agent. We are lucky to have him ... our right side would be awful without him. I think you’re right… I also think he’s a been a bit of an odd fit so far. It would be fantastic if somehow he and OEL could play well together…. While I’m not sure about that pairing on paper it would certainly help our defence if they could make it work! OEL Myers Hughes Poolman/Hamonic/Schenn Juolevi Poolman/Hamonic/Schenn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) Myers was essentially doomed from the start here. Is he a #1 Dman? No. But he's not as bad as this board makes him out to be. The narrative about him as soon as it was rumoured the Canucks were interested is that he's Loui Player Name on defense, and nothing short of Norris calibre play was going to change it. The contract isn't great, but considering the contracts that were being handed out this offseason its not that bad either. We need a whipping boy on defense and with Pouliot and Benn gone, Myers became the de facto option. Edited October 2, 2021 by McBackup 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Timråfan said: Who should he be paired with? OEL and Hughes need another partner and if OEL lives up to his contract he will take most minutes. Hughes want some action also. So Myers won’t see any PP time this season. Will PK and 3rd pairing give enough to support your opinion? He should be paired with whomever the coaches think he should play with. Myers eats a lot of minutes and plays a hard and heavy game for us. He's mean and can clear the crease. He can also play in any role we throw at him. And, lastly, he was on pace for 30+ points last year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 I bet Schenn rejuvenates his career playing beside Hughes just like he did before he left to win a Cup in Tampa Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jester13 said: He should be paired with whomever the coaches think he should play with. Myers eats a lot of minutes and plays a hard and heavy game for us. He's mean and can clear the crease. He can also play in any role we throw at him. And, lastly, he was on pace for 30+ points last year. Yes, but with two offensive players in D we don’t need Myers offensive abilities. Just look at what Green tries now, OEL and Rathbone as PP1 and 2. Can Myers be the guy that stays behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Just now, Timråfan said: Yes, but with two offensive players in D we don’t need Myers offensive abilities. Just look at what Green tries now, OEL and Rathbone as PP1 and 2. Can Myers be the guy that stays behind? 5 minutes ago, Jester13 said: He should be paired with whomever the coaches think he should play with. Myers eats a lot of minutes and plays a hard and heavy game for us. He's mean and can clear the crease. He can also play in any role we throw at him. And, lastly, he was on pace for 30+ points last year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Just now, Jester13 said: We’ll see if Green think alike then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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