Which draft bust hurt us the most ?

[MaxVerstappen33]

27 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

Will have to agree on this.  Although the Virtanen pick ended up being a whiff, we still got 4 seasons and 100 goals out of Jake which basically equates to low 2nd round or very high 3rd round calibre. 

We shouldn't have given up Virtanen's rights so easy then over just PR.

[UFCanuck]

1 hour ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

We shouldn't have given up Virtanen's rights so easy then over just PR.

Yes they should've.

[MaxVerstappen33]

5 minutes ago, playboi19 said:

Yes they should've.

He's on a 1 year deal in Russia. We'll see how soon he has a Calgary or Edmonton jersey on. They don't even have to wait till the KHL season is over.

[khay]

3 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

In Barker's draft year, they also drafted Bolland, Bickell, and Brouwer (all played hundreds of games at the NHL level).  Even Barker played over 300 games at the NHL level.

In Skille's draft year, they also drafted Hjalmarsson (over 800 games at the NHL level)

In the draft year where they whiffed on 21st overall pick in Babchuk, they also drafted Duncan Keith in the 2nd round.

 

They swing hard & miss but they also connect & hit before getting "three strikes".

Except 2016, we hit on almost every year since 2013 (regardless of JB pick or Gills pick).

 

2013: Horvat.

2014: We missed with Virtanen and McCann since neither are on the team, but we hit a homerun with Demko.

2015: Boeser.

2016: Strikeout. Lockwood still has a chance but at best we are looking at Tyler Motte, maybe, maybe Jannick Hansen.

2017: EP. And then Rathbone and MDP. Gadjovich was waived, so stupidly giving away a player. 

2018: Hughes. Don't count Woo out just yet.

2019: Podz and Hoglander.

 

I think drafting is not the problem with the team. It's the player development and suboptimal asset management.

 

I don't see one player trained in the major junior hockey system on this roster that we successfully developed (other than Horvat). And this problem pre-dates JB's era. 

 

2014, we drafted 5 NHL caliber players. Only one is with the team. Virtanen and McCann are not here and yet, they are clearly NHL players. Tryamkin didn't want to stay. Forsling also gone too soon.

 

Juolevi coming out of famed London Knights system, was bouncing around the leagues since joining the Canucks. I think Juoelvi could have become a serviceable defenceman if his development was handled properly. 

 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

3 minutes ago, khay said:

Except 2016, we hit on almost every year since 2013 (regardless of JB pick or Gills pick).

 

2013: Horvat.

2014: We missed with Virtanen and McCann since neither are on the team, but we hit a homerun with Demko.

2015: Boeser.

2016: Strikeout. Lockwood still has a chance but at best we are looking at Tyler Motte, maybe, maybe Jannick Hansen.

2017: EP. And then Rathbone and MDP. Gadjovich was waived, so stupidly giving away a player. 

2018: Hughes. Don't count Woo out just yet.

2019: Podz and Hoglander.

 

I think drafting is not the problem with the team. It's the player development and suboptimal asset management.

 

I don't see one player trained in the major junior hockey system on this roster that we successfully developed (other than Horvat). And this problem pre-dates JB's era. 

 

2014, we drafted 5 NHL caliber players. Only one is with the team. Virtanen and McCann are not here and yet, they are clearly NHL players. Tryamkin didn't want to stay. Forsling also gone too soon.

 

Juolevi coming out of famed London Knights system, was bouncing around the leagues since joining the Canucks. I think Juoelvi could have become a serviceable defenceman if his development was handled properly. 

 

Hansen carved out a more than marginal spot on a fairly deep team (at least in the regular season ).  Lockwood has to beat out the likes of Green pets like Chaisson.

[khay]

35 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Hansen carved out a more than marginal spot on a fairly deep team (at least in the regular season ).  Lockwood has to beat out the likes of Green pets like Chaisson.

Agree. Hansen is the best best best projection for Lockwood and yes, he has to beat out Chai's son, which seems impossible at the moment.

 

But, I hope Lockwood can make the team and play some meaningful games for us. He brings the much needed energy on the 4th line and would look good alongside Motte once Motte is back.

[Gurn]

Virtanen played 317 games

Patrick White played zero.

 

some people  try harder at identifying a bust.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

5 minutes ago, gurn said:

Virtanen played 317 games

Patrick White played zero.

 

some people  try harder at identifying a bust.

Well if you're going to suck, suck at Patrick White's level.

 

What do I mean by that?  Sharks only wanted White because of the compensatory pick (2nd rounder) you get if you don't ever sign a selected 1st round pick.  And it was extremely unlikely they ever even considered giving him a ELC.

Edited November 7, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan

[Gurn]

                                         Total NHL games and NHL points

2007 Patrick White               0 games                          

2000 Nathan Smith             26 games 0 points

1996 Josh Holden              60  games 14 points

1992 Libor Polasek             0 games           

1990 Shawn Antoski          183 games  8 points

1989 Jason Herter                1 game 1 point

1986 Dan Woodley                5 games 2 points

Edited November 7, 2021 by gurn

[Chris12345]

44 minutes ago, gurn said:

Virtanen played 317 games

Patrick White played zero.

 

some people  try harder at identifying a bust.

Yea Virtanen is no where near a bust.

 

He's disappointing for sure but no bust.

 

The average career is 300 games, so he's average.

Edited November 7, 2021 by Chris12345

[WestCoastDave]

2 hours ago, gurn said:

                                         Total NHL games and NHL points

2007 Patrick White               0 games                          

2000 Nathan Smith             26 games 0 points

1996 Josh Holden              60  games 14 points

1992 Libor Polasek             0 games           

1990 Shawn Antoski          183 games  8 points

1989 Jason Herter                1 game 1 point

1986 Dan Woodley                5 games 2 points

So off this list, the two picks that performed the worst would be Patrick White and Libor Polasek because they played 0 games. 

[Gurn]

3 minutes ago, WestCoastDave said:

So off this list, the two picks that performed the worst would be Patrick White and Libor Polasek because they played 0 games. 

White was part of a trade, so the team got a little bit of value, I can't recall what happened to Polasek.

 

I'm just adding perspective for people that think Jake was a bust.

I also take a bit of issue with those that don't make allowances for injuries, when throwing around the bust tag.

Ollie was on his way to being a solid d man for us, till repeated injuries messed him up. Yes, there were other picks  that have done fine, but the player/pick isn't a bust.

Hodgson, same thing, good player, good pick but injuries slowed him and his his new team found his underlying, unsurmountable, problem. But the pick was fine

Nedved was fine as a pick, because only Pittsburgh new Jagr had defected, had everyone known, Jagr might not have got as low as the Canuck pick anyway.

 

 

[Canuck Luck]

21 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

Jake Virtanen.

 

Apparently we drafted Olli Juolevi in 2016 over Matthew Tkachuk because Jake was supposed to become our power forward.

 

Incidentally Jake is lighting it up in the KHL......

 

2021-22

Moscow Spartak

KHL

17 games

8 goals

4

assists 12 points.

Haha... lighting it up is a bit strong.

 

Spooner and bad Granlund are better lmao.

[Rush17]

Juolevi. Tkachuk has everything we need now in hindsight. Or any of those other D. 

 

I had sergachev ahead of Tkachuk but it was close.

[Baggins]

22 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

Jake Virtanen.

 

Apparently we drafted Olli Juolevi in 2016 over Matthew Tkachuk because Jake was supposed to become our power forward.

 

Incidentally Jake is lighting it up in the KHL......

 

2021-22

Moscow Spartak

KHL

17 games

8 goals

4

assists 12 points.

That's nothing. Linden Vey put up 64 points in 50 games his first season over there. This season Markus Granlund had 25 points in 25 games and Goldobin 23 in 22 games. The KHL is where Canuck busts go to thrive.

[MaxVerstappen33]

3 hours ago, gurn said:

Virtanen played 317 games

Patrick White played zero.

 

some people  try harder at identifying a bust.

Goes back to the point I suggested about bust teirs. Virtanen would be a tier 2 bust (he's from Langley and playing in Russia FFS) and Joilevi is a tier one bust. 

 

But then again , Virtanen didn't play his way off the team 

Edited November 8, 2021 by MaxVerstappen33

[Johnny Torts]

9 hours ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

Just an opinion I seen on NHL.com. Maybe they are just pumping Bostons tires, who should go #1 ?

 

2014 Redraft: Pastrnak replaces Ekblad at No. 1

Bro I think Drai was in that draft

[MaxVerstappen33]

9 minutes ago, Johnny Torts said:

Bro I think Drai was in that draft

Yeah they have him at #2. 

Edited November 8, 2021 by MaxVerstappen33

[Johnny Torts]

31 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

Yeah they have him at #2. 

Yeaaaah. Not me.

[250Integra]

On 11/6/2021 at 9:31 PM, Bure_of_94 said:

Hodgson was a loss but when he started failing we traded him for kassian and Kassian’s addiction issues got the best of him here... so it all played out. 
- Jake never lived up to his potential... character issues and the fanbase/organization didn’t seem to want to part with him, he had some okay seasons. nothing great. It is what it is. 
 

-Joulevi is the biggest bust because he should have never been a top 5 overall pick. He was a benefactor of playing on a London Squad featuring Dvorak, Marner and Tkatchuk. There was much better D-men available at his Spot (Sergachev, Macavoy & Chychrun). This fanbase incredibly defended him as a top 5 pick... true top 5 picks don’t need 5-7 years to develop. What did he have? 12 nhl games maybe on the 3rd pairing. In a league that’s getting younger and faster and 95% of players are done by age 34...... Joulevi is the modern day definition of a bust... and probably the highest drafted player in the last 10 drafts to bust.

Juolevi was the consensus top rated defensemen that during that draft year. Unfortunately injuries ruined his development. He was known for his smooth skating and high IQ.

 

Also, Nail Yakupov???  Michael Dal Colle?? Cody Glass???