blame management, blame coach, but also blame this lazy, entitled, soulless core, starting from Horvat/Pettersson/Boeser

[DS4quality]

How the heck is no one blaming ownership? Trevor Linden wanted to do a proper rebuild and because the team wanted to stay competitive he got shown the door.

8 years later and it's still not even competitive.  With one lucky bubble appearance. This goes beyond just Benning. Also I thought we were getting a new president? 

[Jack Fig]

23 hours ago, GB5 said:

Hughes is a pp specialist and not a lot more at this point.

 

He needs to work on his defense and if I were his coach I would have him watching old tape of Scott Niedermeyer. Nieds could play offense and worried his butt off to get back in position.

Hughes glides back into the d zone after playing offense and getting out of position which is unacceptable.

Hughes was never going to be a top-pair guy. But he is an in-demand specialist. I think he is singularly the best piece this team has, even though you can't rely on him to defend stoutly at any given moment. His contract is reasonable, IMO. He's a confident guy who wants to win, something not demonstrated by some of the others. I think he'll become a better defender as he learns more along the way, perhaps becoming a more adequate down-low player in time. I get a little frustrated with him at times, but he's pretty much the least of the team's problems. 

[DefCon1]

On 11/12/2021 at 10:12 AM, Odd. said:

I was probably more excited watching games when we were bottom feeding for a number of years than I am now with a team that's supposed to be good 'on paper'. 

 

When in reality, it's actually not so good on paper..

 

I watch this team, it's like seeing your cheating ex on social media. My blood boils, I get angry quickly, and become so annoyed that my mental health for the rest of the night gets bad. When I woke up and  saw Gadjovich and MacEwen go on waivers, especially the former, I was extremely angry at this organization. Physical, gritty, mean players who play with edge and bring urgency, waived just like that in place for souless guys on the ice like Dowling, Highmore, and Chiasson. Like what? 

 

This management claims its doing one thing, but completely does the opposite. 

 

The fact of the matter is, our team lacks identity. Boeser, Pettersson, Horvat, Pearson, I'm sorry, but these guys play with absolutely no urgency. They don't play like they are hungry and want to score and win. They would rather laugh after whistles and have some chitchats with the opposing players while literally being ignored for looking like a bunch of scrubs. 

 

Fire Green. Sure. However, I'm not so sure it's just a coaching issue. I have a feeling the issue is beyond just management, but the core itself. This is the NHL, you can't just rely on skill and speed.  You need heart, grit, physicality, urgency, tenacity, ruggedness, poise, determination, and last but not least, soul. 

 

J.T Miller, Garland, Podkolzin, Hoglander, Hughes.

 

I applaud you guys. Day in, day out, these guys are our best players. 3 of them are our top scorers respectively, and the other two are undoubtedly some of the hardest working hockey players I've ever witnessed. And Podkolzin is literally just 13 games into his career.

 

This team isn't going to do jack $&!# in the playoffs, even if we somehow manage to sneak by. First round exit, 2nd round sweep easily. 

 

1 step forward, 3 steps back. 

 

If we have a performance like that again, I won't be watching a single game for the rest of the season. Because i'll know then we surely aren't making the playoffs. We all have bad games, blowout games, etc etc. Last nights game was something else. 

 

This core isn't built to win.

 

 

Am not going to blame players when for example Garland gets 10 minutes on 3rd line in some games even though he give 100% effort or Podkolzin gets benched for no reason while Bailey gets 14 minutes. The coach is responsible. The way we play the PP and PK, the coach is also responsible for that. Not practicing FO, the coach is responsible. Lack of depth the GM is responsible. We have turned the roster over multiple times and added to the core in OEL and Garland but same results. Nothing to do with soulless or heartless or any other things that are not relevant to how we play as a team and how the team is coached. Those get fixed once Benning actually hires a real coach. Look at the Flames, they were also called heartless and their fans said their core sucked and blamed the players until their GM was smart enough to hire Sutter, a real NHL coach. Blaming young players because the coach cant even prepare this team the right way is not right. I will not blame players this season, I will 100% blame Green and will also partially blame Benning for not firing the coach in the off season. 

[JM_]

21 minutes ago, Podzilla said:

Why do people keep bringing up the bubble. Half the teams didnt give a &^@# and didn’t even want to be there. If Demko didn’t play like he did we would have been blown out every game. Green is not a good coach, he can’t adapt or do anything on the fly and finally people are seeing how garbage our systems are which I’ve been saying for years. We’ve never been good 5 on 5 with Green. Our core is the softest in the league. When’s then last time you saw Boeser, Petey or Hughes throw a decent hit? Horvat is lame as a captain. Hank was more gritty than him. 

go away with your Bo bashing, its dumb.

[DefCon1]

8 minutes ago, Jack Fig said:

Hughes was never going to be a top-pair guy. But he is an in-demand specialist. I think he is singularly the best piece this team has, even though you can't rely on him to defend stoutly at any given moment. His contract is reasonable, IMO. He's a confident guy who wants to win, something not demonstrated by some of the others. I think he'll become a better defender as he learns more along the way, perhaps becoming a more adequate down-low player in time. I get a little frustrated with him at times, but he's pretty much the least of the team's problems. 

Hughes is the most important part of the team and he drives the offense. He is the guy that is used for quick transition, basically another engine of our offense. If he was great at D too, then he would probably be a hall of fame defender like Bobby Orr. People need to know that most offensive d men will never be great in defense, only rare type that have that ability like Hedman, Lidstrom etc.

[DefCon1]

10 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

We may have to face the possibility that this is the case. We may be trying to build around a core that's equivalent to something consisting of Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Radim Vrbata, Tyson Barrie and a bargain bin version of Ryan O'Reilly as captain. A core like that ain't ever winning a cup.

 

Give em the rest of the year with a new coach to see if they can turn things around. If they can't, burn it down and start over.

That is ridiculous. We have the talent even the Avs broadcaster was surprised that we were this bad. Its a coaching problem. We can even have McDavid on our team and still get same results. You have a coach that still plays the same style of PP and PK for 3 years eventhough its ranked dead last in the league. Well what do you think will happen when you keep playing the same loser system over and over. Did Green ever try Podkolzin on 1st PP even once? Nope Did we change PP1 players and have maybe some other players come in to maybe spice up the 1st PP? Nope. Its just the same coach playing the same loaing formula a million times over hoping for success.

[Jack Fig]

3 hours ago, D.B Cooper said:

Some good points, some pretty far off.   
Bo isn’t lazy at all.   He doesn’t necessarily inspire or get the boys really fired up, but he isn’t lazy. 
Bo does need to step up more though. 
Start throwing big hits. Cause some $&!# in the corners and in front of the net.  
Be like Iggy!

 

Bo is a solid guy and a pretty consistent player. The most notable drawback about him though is that he doesn't make anyone around him any better ... which really is a gift asset for a player to possess. As a captain/leader, I'd say he's been a tad disappointing, but not horribly so. He could use some help in that category, but this roster doesn't have much in the way of natural leadership. Horvat is not a guy I'd probably ever be looking to move because he fills his role as a two-way player and heavy face-off guy well enough. A lot of organizations would jump at the chance to grab him for 2C. 

Edited November 13, 2021 by Jack Fig

[Ajax-]

5 minutes ago, DefCon1 said:

That is ridiculous. We have the talent even the Avs broadcaster was surprised that we were this bad. Its a coaching problem. We can even have McDavid on our team and still get same results. You have a coach that still plays the same style of PP and PK for 3 years eventhough its ranked dead last in the league. Well what do you think will happen when you keep playing the same loser system over and over. Did Green ever try Podkolzin on 1st PP even once? Nope Did we change PP1 players and have maybe some other players come in to maybe spice up the 1st PP? Nope. Its just the same coach playing the same loaing formula a million times over hoping for success.

So this is ALL on the coaching and players that struggle to execute don't share in the responsibility?.

 

[Jack Fig]

36 minutes ago, DefCon1 said:

People need to know that most offensive d men will never be great in defense, only rare type that have that ability like Hedman, Lidstrom etc.

And those guys are monsters, physically.

It should have been clearly understood when Huggy was drafted exactly what we were getting, and what his deficiencies were very likely to be. The bonus is that he's been better offensively early in his career than most of us probably expected. You keep guys like him and do your best to fill in around him. 

[stanleysteamersmyl]

Believe Chicken Littles, BELIEVE!

 

[EddieVedder]

5 hours ago, EdgarM said:

This is my thought as well. Boes and Bo have really not developed in this area as well. Come playoff time we will get manhandled by the bigger stronger teams and if they outwork us, we are done. A "Markstrom" or a "Demko" can only take you so far.

Bo is a beast in playoff games and when it matters.  Hes proven it.  

[EddieVedder]

3 hours ago, Jack Fig said:

And those guys are monsters, physically.

It should have been clearly understood when Huggy was drafted exactly what we were getting, and what his deficiencies were very likely to be. The bonus is that he's been better offensively early in his career than most of us probably expected. You keep guys like him and do your best to fill in around him. 

Im okay with keeping qh.  I just dont want him paid like a #1 dman because he isnt one.  With his inability to be physical and defend, hes barely a #2 or 3 on a contending club.  This organization needs to find those strong 2 way dmen that can be put out there in any situation. We have OEL which is great, but Until we find 2 or 3 more we are just going to be pretenders. 

[EddieVedder]

3 hours ago, DefCon1 said:

Hughes is the most important part of the team and he drives the offense. He is the guy that is used for quick transition, basically another engine of our offense. If he was great at D too, then he would probably be a hall of fame defender like Bobby Orr. People need to know that most offensive d men will never be great in defense, only rare type that have that ability like Hedman, Lidstrom etc.

If hughes is the most important part of the team we are dead for years to come.  

Nuck fans need to stop with the fantasy hockey. Numbers and points mean nothing when your a liability on the ice.  

[EddieVedder]

3 hours ago, JM_ said:

go away with your Bo bashing, its dumb.

Ill guarantee than anyone bashing bo sits around all day playing fantasy hockey and has never played hockey. Anyone who has played hockey understands that what bo brings is vital. 

[JM_]

5 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:

Ill guarantee than anyone bashing bo sits around all day playing fantasy hockey and has never played hockey. Anyone who has played hockey understands that what bo brings is vital. 

yeah its a bit much. Lets not bash the guys here, we've got some high quality folks on this team.

[JeremyCuddles]

I don't need to defend Bo, cause others will. But I won't sit here and let people bash Boeser. Is he a defensive stalwart? No. Is he a physical presence? No. But he has heart and he is character personified. If we trade Boeser before firing Green and Benning I'd be beyond pissed off. He gets a lot of flack, but for a mid 20s pick he's performed beyond expectations for a player in that realm. And like I said, he is easily one of if not the classiest player on the team. He's being looked at the same way the Sedins were looked at and it's unfair that because he isn't a bombastic personality that he doesn't care. I will not let people bash Boeser without having some words of my own about it. He is NOT the problem with this team and trading him won't fix our issues.

[lmm]

20 hours ago, Shirotashi said:

Hes a great hockey player but far from an ideal captain. He has the same emotions if we win 7-1 or lose 7-1. 

I think the game gets in his head sometimes as he gets flustered in big plays. But far more important is his 

lack of emotions you need someone to speak up and take the lead in big moments and his heart seems to 

be vacant in these moments. I just dont get why he is the captain and I never did. He is essentially our 

captain because there was a vacancy at the right time and he was the appropriate choice at the time back

in the Willie D days.

 

Times have changed and his silent but strong leadership does not cut it anymore. The Sedins emotionless 

way of leadership was never good for our team and thats who he models his leadership ways after, he has 

said as much in interviews. 

 

We all know who should be captain I just wish someone in the organization had the balls to make him the captian.

That guy is J.T. Miller and we all know it.

I am of 2 minds about Miller

On one hand I like his passion

on the other, he is kind of grumpy

Do we really need a grumpy leader?

Tampa seems better off without him, and they win cups

I do think he has taken over as defacto Captain, so why do we suck?

 

i don't see a real captain in the lot, and that right there is the problem

[Kurgom]

1 hour ago, EddieVedder said:

If hughes is the most important part of the team we are dead for years to come.  

Nuck fans need to stop with the fantasy hockey. Numbers and points mean nothing when your a liability on the ice.  

You know Canucks fans aren't the only people who think Hughes is the most solid part about this team right? Do you think everyone else in the world is stupid and you just know hockey better, that Hughes isn't the most valuable young defenseman in the league? Will you be raging at the management for trading him after he wins multiple norris trophies and cups for other teams? Probably.

[EddieVedder]

17 minutes ago, Kurgom said:

You know Canucks fans aren't the only people who think Hughes is the most solid part about this team right? Do you think everyone else in the world is stupid and you just know hockey better, that Hughes isn't the most valuable young defenseman in the league? Will you be raging at the management for trading him after he wins multiple norris trophies and cups for other teams? Probably.

Youre living a lie if you think qh is ever going to win a norris when he cant even be trusted to play thd pk. 

[Kurgom]

9 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:

Youre living a lie if you think qh is ever going to win a norris when he cant even be trusted to play thd pk. 

22 year old isn't a PK god, it's over, trade him for a 3rd rounder and cry like a baby when he wins his first Norris I guess.

 

22 year old. PPG d-man. Improving his defensive game every year. Already proven in the playoffs. But yeah, you're right, because he's not Pronger in his own zone at age 22 he's never going to do anything in this league.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Kurgom