Me_ Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) Alright then. Vegas lost. Canucks OT lost. We gain a point on the wild card positions. Good work boys to get a point out of another game. Edited March 12, 2022 by Me_ 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 it's ok just sign Miller to whatever the hell he wants like some of the louder guys on here are saying it's not big deal. Canucks are used to it by now. we love having players 30+ signed till their late 30s to rot away. just ask LE OEL Luongo 2 of them one of the worse contracts in the salary cap era and OEL prolly will be one too as i don't see him playing anywhere close to what his contract is worth. Soon we can add Miller to the list with his 8-9mil contract for 8 years. coz he'll only be 30 when he put pens to paper.. just like you know who.. don't worry guys we ain't competing next year but after we re-sign miller we'll have a 31 or 32 year old Miller leading us into the playoffs for couple years before he no longer is a top line player being paid top line dollar for 3/4 of his remaining contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 10 hours ago, Warhippy said: Kane missing from the team still had arguably one fo the best bottom 6 groups in the league for years. Had arguably one of the best top 4's in the league for years. Had arguably one of the best 2 way centres for years. Had Hossa the end all be all. If we had a vintage (hawks team) Seabrook Bickell Kane Byfuglien Sharp Toews Hossa Keith If we had a vintage (pens team) Crosby Malkin Letang Fleury Kessel Kunitz Gonchar If we had a (blues team) O'Reilly Tarasenko Pietrelangelo Parayko Bouwmeester We could remove any one of them and STILL be contending. But look at that record without Miller. It is damning. But look at the Hawks and Pens line ups. 4+ HoF players on them. That Blues back end had a top 4 that is effectively better than all but Hughes and some of the best middle 6 players of the season that year. We currently have Miller and nobody else is elevating their game in comparison judging by the numbers indicated without Miller in the lineup. No Miller no Demko. This team is drafting top 7. That is not a competitive team regardless of retaining Miller or not. There are too many other holes and issues that need addressing for this team to even say it's a contender. You made a solid point last night about the team relying so much on one player.........that's a death sentence in the playoffs, for sire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 11 hours ago, Warhippy said: Kane missing from the team still had arguably one fo the best bottom 6 groups in the league for years. Had arguably one of the best top 4's in the league for years. Had arguably one of the best 2 way centres for years. Had Hossa the end all be all. If we had a vintage (hawks team) Seabrook Bickell Kane Byfuglien Sharp Toews Hossa Keith If we had a vintage (pens team) Crosby Malkin Letang Fleury Kessel Kunitz Gonchar If we had a (blues team) O'Reilly Tarasenko Pietrelangelo Parayko Bouwmeester We could remove any one of them and STILL be contending. But look at that record without Miller. It is damning. But look at the Hawks and Pens line ups. 4+ HoF players on them. That Blues back end had a top 4 that is effectively better than all but Hughes and some of the best middle 6 players of the season that year. We currently have Miller and nobody else is elevating their game in comparison judging by the numbers indicated without Miller in the lineup. No Miller no Demko. This team is drafting top 7. That is not a competitive team regardless of retaining Miller or not. There are too many other holes and issues that need addressing for this team to even say it's a contender. Ladd and Campbell were also great for that hawks team. They were stacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Im all for keeping miller but lets get this clear now- no one better start cryin bitchin n moaning when he isnt the same player 4 yrs from now. It was the price to pay to have him at his peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 11 hours ago, Warhippy said: Kane missing from the team still had arguably one fo the best bottom 6 groups in the league for years. Had arguably one of the best top 4's in the league for years. Had arguably one of the best 2 way centres for years. Had Hossa the end all be all. If we had a vintage (hawks team) Seabrook Bickell Kane Byfuglien Sharp Toews Hossa Keith If we had a vintage (pens team) Crosby Malkin Letang Fleury Kessel Kunitz Gonchar If we had a (blues team) O'Reilly Tarasenko Pietrelangelo Parayko Bouwmeester We could remove any one of them and STILL be contending. But look at that record without Miller. It is damning. But look at the Hawks and Pens line ups. 4+ HoF players on them. That Blues back end had a top 4 that is effectively better than all but Hughes and some of the best middle 6 players of the season that year. We currently have Miller and nobody else is elevating their game in comparison judging by the numbers indicated without Miller in the lineup. No Miller no Demko. This team is drafting top 7. That is not a competitive team regardless of retaining Miller or not. There are too many other holes and issues that need addressing for this team to even say it's a contender. Pettersson Hughes Demko Horvat Boeser Garland OEL How is it that we trade Miller and these guys are all gonna step up in a big way, but then you can argue that we take Miller away and we suck? Because a tweener NHLer, a young 19 or 20 year old prospect, and a 1st round pick are gonna make us a contender in a couple years? OK then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 4 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: it's ok just sign Miller to whatever the hell he wants like some of the louder guys on here are saying it's not big deal. Canucks are used to it by now. we love having players 30+ signed till their late 30s to rot away. just ask LE OEL Luongo 2 of them one of the worse contracts in the salary cap era and OEL prolly will be one too as i don't see him playing anywhere close to what his contract is worth. Soon we can add Miller to the list with his 8-9mil contract for 8 years. coz he'll only be 30 when he put pens to paper.. just like you know who.. don't worry guys we ain't competing next year but after we re-sign miller we'll have a 31 or 32 year old Miller leading us into the playoffs for couple years before he no longer is a top line player being paid top line dollar for 3/4 of his remaining contract. So you want all our players be 20 years old and younger? who will lead the group? Hoglander? Yes lets trade or not sign players like Miller, Tanev, Toffoli etc. and keep creating holes in the lineup, thats how we win the cup. I guess Tampa won with 20 year old stamkos and Kucherov. Dont forget 20 year old Chara and 20 year old ovechkin when they won their first cup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, HKSR said: Pettersson Hughes Demko Horvat Boeser Garland OEL How is it that we trade Miller and these guys are all gonna step up in a big way, but then you can argue that we take Miller away and we suck? Because a tweener NHLer, a young 19 or 20 year old prospect, and a 1st round pick are gonna make us a contender in a couple years? OK then. He wants us to keep trading our best players, because thats how teams win cups. No such thing as experience at all. People say silly things when they dont know a lick about managing a peewee team let alone an NHL team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, DefCon1 said: He wants us to keep trading our best players, because thats how teams win cups. No such thing as experience at all. People say silly things when they dont know a lick about managing a peewee team let alone an NHL team. He literally said this team sucks without Miller... so trade Miller! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 41 minutes ago, DefCon1 said: So you want all our players be 20 years old and younger? who will lead the group? Hoglander? Yes lets trade or not sign players like Miller, Tanev, Toffoli etc. and keep creating holes in the lineup, thats how we win the cup. I guess Tampa won with 20 year old stamkos and Kucherov. Dont forget 20 year old Chara and 20 year old ovechkin when they won their first cup. I would trade JT in a heartbeat for a 20 year old Ovechkin,Stamkos, Kucherov or Chara. You wouldn't? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, coryberg said: I would trade JT in a heartbeat for a 20 year old Ovechkin,Stamkos, Kucherov or Chara. You wouldn't? Who did you have in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 hours ago, HKSR said: Who did you have in mind? 2 hours ago, coryberg said: 20 year old Ovechkin,Stamkos, Kucherov or Chara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 hours ago, coryberg said: I would trade JT in a heartbeat for a 20 year old Ovechkin,Stamkos, Kucherov or Chara. You wouldn't? So what current 20 year old would you want back for JT? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 20 minutes ago, Alflives said: So what current 20 year old would you want back for JT? A pkg from NY or Col including Lafrenier or Byram would have my attention right quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, DefCon1 said: He wants us to keep trading our best players, because thats how teams win cups. No such thing as experience at all. People say silly things when they dont know a lick about managing a peewee team let alone an NHL team. Actually, icing a well-balance roster wins you Cups. Tampa didn’t always rely on Kucherov, Stamkos, or Hedman every single game during the playoffs. When guys like Cirelli, Gourde, Killorn, and Palat, stepped up on a different night. If we’re able to get 2-3 solid young pieces for Miller. I think the majority of GMs would make that deal. Given where they are at in their team’s phase. Edited March 12, 2022 by shiznak 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, Fanuck said: A pkg from NY or Col including Lafrenier or Byram would have my attention right quick. Lafreniere, Schneider, and Kravtsov would be a nice return. If we are looking to find a Miller type player, then Lafrenier has that kind of potential. It's always a gamble though with young guys if they will get to that level. Miller is one of the best players in the league the last couple years. Big, strong, mean, skilled, ppg, center or wing, PP, PK, great on and off pucks, and a leader. Maybe we should keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Lafreniere, Schneider, and Kravtsov would be a nice return. If we are looking to find a Miller type player, then Lafrenier has that kind of potential. It's always a gamble though with young guys if they will get to that level. Miller is one of the best players in the league the last couple years. Big, strong, mean, skilled, ppg, center or wing, PP, PK, great on and off pucks, and a leader. Maybe we should keep him? No argument from me Alf, it's a gamble. But so is waiting it out to see if Miller even wants to re-sign and it's a further gamble if he could play up to any extension without being a negative value contract before all is said and done. No guarantees any which way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 57 minutes ago, Alflives said: So what current 20 year old would you want back for JT? There is a bunch of 20 year olds that I would trade miller for... unfortunately those teams wouldn't trade them for Miller. I was replying to defcon who was making 20 year old Ovechkin,Stamkos, Kucherov or Chara sound like a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, Alflives said: Lafreniere, Schneider, and Kravtsov would be a nice return. If we are looking to find a Miller type player, then Lafrenier has that kind of potential. It's always a gamble though with young guys if they will get to that level. Miller is one of the best players in the league the last couple years. Big, strong, mean, skilled, ppg, center or wing, PP, PK, great on and off pucks, and a leader. Maybe we should keep him? This. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 37 minutes ago, Fanuck said: A pkg from NY or Col including Lafrenier or Byram would have my attention right quick. Chances are Byram doesn't make it to 200 games. That's a huge no 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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