wai_lai416 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: No player is untouchable for the right price. Not even McDavid. lol so whats the right price for mcdavid? the next 10 1st rounders? if we had mcdavid and someone offered me their next 10 1st rounder picks i'd probably pass on it.. mcdavid is like equivalent of 2 star players + he turns the fringe players you put around him into legit nhl players or turns borderline stars into a legitimate stars in the league.. that alone is already worth more than 10 1st rounders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 44 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: lol so whats the right price for mcdavid? the next 10 1st rounders? if we had mcdavid and someone offered me their next 10 1st rounder picks i'd probably pass on it.. mcdavid is like equivalent of 2 star players + he turns the fringe players you put around him into legit nhl players or turns borderline stars into a legitimate stars in the league.. that alone is already worth more than 10 1st rounders That's what they said about Gretzky as well. He still got traded didn't he? And it wasn't for 10 1st round picks either. If McDavid was playing on Arizona they still would be a sh*t team. He isn't turning Jay Beagle and Loui Eriksson into hall of famers. And they would benefit more from 10 1st round picks than one superstar player and 19 other scrubs. The fact of the matter is that any player can get traded for the right price. Would you not trade McDavid today if Colorado offered Edmonton MacKinnon, Makar and Byram? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 4 hours ago, stawns said: pre-cap era Doesn't matter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 5 hours ago, stawns said: Disagree, Dobson is untouchable. Not true. Pretty sure if we offered Hughes for Dobson they'd do that deal. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: Kadri's contract is an interesting comparable, I think you could make an argument both ways whether its favorable or not. Miller is younger than Kadri, has had a few seasons now of elite production whereas Kadri hasn't. And probably plays a bigger role for us than Kadri did Colorado - all things considered. On the other-hand Kadri is getting this contract off last season where he had the same production (100 pt pace), and he's been a better playoff performer when he's been in the line-up. Also a better goal scorer throughout his career (multiple 30+ G seasons, this was Miller's 1st). Give the market in a flat cap (or lackthereof) I think this is the best comparable. Sat has mentioned (iirc) JT wants 50 million, this 7x7 is 49M. You could get to 49M at 8.17M x 6. Wonder if JT would infact take that, or be flexible in that range. Pretty sure JT is asking for $60+. Zibinijad, Hertl etc territory If it was close to $50, he'd already be extended. Edited August 20, 2022 by aGENT 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: That's what they said about Gretzky as well. He still got traded didn't he? And it wasn't for 10 1st round picks either. If McDavid was playing on Arizona they still would be a sh*t team. He isn't turning Jay Beagle and Loui Eriksson into hall of famers. And they would benefit more from 10 1st round picks than one superstar player and 19 other scrubs. The fact of the matter is that any player can get traded for the right price. Would you not trade McDavid today if Colorado offered Edmonton MacKinnon, Makar and Byram? lol gretzky was traded because oilers knew he wouldn't re-sign in edmonton.. he got married and lived in LA.. and pretty much clear to management he ain't re-signing to be closer to his wife.. did i say he'll turn fringe player into hall of famers? loui would get a few more goals than he has just by sticking his ass in front of the net and watch it bounce off him without trying.. and i have no idea why you using arizona as an example? i said he'll turn players around him ie guys that plays on the same line into better players.. not carry a team of ahl/echl players and turn them into an nhl team? would u not trade mcdavid for mackinnon makar and byram? no because avalanche will never make that deal and gut their team. and mcdavid isn't lightyears ahead of mackinnon.. and you are talking about stuff that are not realistic.. you are literally talking about trading every single super star on your team for mcdavid.. ya every player have a price.. just a unrealistic one that would never ever ever ever ever ever be met.. might as well say i'll trade the entire team for mcdavid Edited August 20, 2022 by wai_lai416 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, aGENT said: Pretty sure JT is asking for $60+. Zibinijad, Hertl etc territory If it was close to $50, he'd already be extended. According to 650 and some dude named Irfan Gaffar Miller would gladly take the $50 million, however the Canucks aren't offering him that amount. This is why I don't take the media in this city seriously at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maginator Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: According to 650 and some dude named Irfan Gaffar Miller would gladly take the $50 million, however the Canucks aren't offering him that amount. This is why I don't take the media in this city seriously at all. I'd do 7x7 in a heartbeat. Especially after Kadri just got that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: lol gretzky was traded because oilers knew he wouldn't re-sign in edmonton.. he got married and lived in LA.. and pretty much clear to management he ain't re-signing to be closer to his wife.. did i say he'll turn fringe player into hall of famers? loui would get a few more goals than he has just by sticking his ass in front of the net and watch it bounce off him without trying.. and i have no idea why you using arizona as an example? i said he'll turn players around him ie guys that plays on the same line into better players.. not carry a team of ahl/echl players and turn them into an nhl team? would u not trade mcdavid for mackinnon makar and byram? no because avalanche will never make that deal and gut their team. and mcdavid isn't lightyears ahead of mackinnon.. and you are talking about stuff that are not realistic.. you are literally talking about trading every single super star on your team for mcdavid.. ya every player have a price.. just a unrealistic one that would never ever ever ever ever ever be met.. might as well say i'll trade the entire team for mcdavid I said any player could be traded for the right price. My statement still stands. And you don't have to gut your team to do it. Edmonton would still do that deal even if Byram wasn't involved. Heck, they still might do it even without Makar but with Byram. Like you said, McDavid isn't light years ahead of MacKinnon. You include a legit top pairing Dman with MacKinnon and Edmonton pulls the trigger every time. McDavid isn't at Gretzky's prime level where he was getting 70-80 points more than the next guy and you had to separate his goals and assists for hockey pools. Heck, McDavid has only won the Hart trophy twice by age 25, whereas Gretzky at 25 had already won it 7 times in a row. Edited August 20, 2022 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: According to 650 and some dude named Irfan Gaffar Miller would gladly take the $50 million, however the Canucks aren't offering him that amount. This is why I don't take the media in this city seriously at all. Well that's just dumb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 This is a random thought that is neither here nor there, but did you know if the Canucks had Jiri Slegr of 1993 on their team today, they’d be set to win the cup. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: Well that's just dumb Blake Price said Miller isn't equivalent to Zibanejad because Zibanejad has scored more goals in the last 4 years and goals are harder to get. Yes, a media pundit in Vancouver actually said that. I guess Price forgot to check that Zibanejad has also scored more goals than Jonathan Huberdeau and Johnny Gaudreau but is getting paid millions less. I still can't figure out how Blake Price was given media credentials... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, Slegr said: This is a random thought that is neither here nor there, but did you know if the Canucks had Jiri Slegr of 1993 on their team today, they’d be set to win the cup. Unless he hit someone else in the eye on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I said any player could be traded for the right price. My statement still stands. And you don't have to gut your team to do it. Edmonton would still do that deal even if Byram wasn't involved. Heck, they still might do it even without Makar but with Byram. Like you said, McDavid isn't light years ahead of MacKinnon. You include a legit top pairing Dman with MacKinnon and Edmonton pulls the trigger every time. McDavid isn't at Gretzky's prime level where he was getting 70-80 points more than the next guy and you had to separate his goals and assists for hockey pools. Heck, McDavid has only won the Hart trophy twice by age 25, whereas Gretzky at 25 had already won it 7 times in a row. lol ya trading bryam makar mackinnon is equivalent of trading 10 1st rounders lol unrealstic delusional price that will never happen.. anyone can be had if u keep making ridiculous impossible proposal lol that's like saying any company can be bought out if you just pay them 2x market value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 50 minutes ago, aGENT said: Pretty sure JT is asking for $60+. Zibinijad, Hertl etc territory If it was close to $50, he'd already be extended. I thought Sat said $50M but I could be wrong. IIRC, from what he's been saying the Canucks were offering in the 7's on a 6 year term. Wonder if 8+ x 6 could be the compromise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: I thought Sat said $50M but I could be wrong. IIRC, from what he's been saying the Canucks were offering in the 7's on a 6 year term. Wonder if 8+ x 6 could be the compromise. Bare minimum to even begin talking - he thinks Vancouver are in the low 40s right now but could go up to 50M but he's not convinced Miller would take that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mll said: Bare minimum to even begin talking - he thinks Vancouver are in the low 40s right now but could go up to 50M but he's not convinced Miller would take that. Ive taken this from listening the last number of months, less so recently. Thank you for posting something current & clear. Edited August 20, 2022 by Smashian Kassian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/19/2022 at 1:10 AM, Elias Pettersson said: Boeser was drafted by Benning, Maggie the Monkey could have signed him to that extension. Podkolzin, Rathbone and Höglander are also all Benning draft picks. The Russian Rocket 2.0 only came here because all of his buddies are here and others convinced him to come and he preferred to live in Vancouver versus the hole that is Edmonton. Why is the entire 4th line gone when they were arguably our best line in many games last season? The changes made to the 4th line are a lateral move at best to bring in JR's guys. We didn't have an issue with the 4th line last year, it was never a problem for us. Our biggest problem last year was on the ride side of defence and our penalty killing. JR brought in a penalty killing specialist and overpaid for him just like Benning used to do. Nothing different really. However, he has yet to address our biggest weakness which is the right side of defence, even going so far as to state that Poolman can play in our top 4 when healthy, the same Poolman that everyone thinks shouldn't even be in the lineup. Call me unimpressed. Wake me up when JR actually makes a major move to improve this team... This comment might make you the defensemen version of yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 6 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol ya trading bryam makar mackinnon is equivalent of trading 10 1st rounders lol unrealstic delusional price that will never happen.. anyone can be had if u keep making ridiculous impossible proposal lol that's like saying any company can be bought out if you just pay them 2x market value That’s exactly the point. No player is untradeable. It just takes someone to pay more than he’s worth. Dobson (who was the point where this discussion started) doesn’t actually seem that unattainable. McDavid on the other hand - what package could be put together to overpay for him? No clue. But he’s still not unattainable. Nobody is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Putgolzin said: That’s exactly the point. No player is untradeable. It just takes someone to pay more than he’s worth. Dobson (who was the point where this discussion started) doesn’t actually seem that unattainable. McDavid on the other hand - what package could be put together to overpay for him? No clue. But he’s still not unattainable. Nobody is. actually there are plenty of players untradeable. as long as they have a nmc or ntc.. it doesn't matter if you offer ever single draft picks players prospect.. he say no? it's not happening lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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