5nothincanucksohno Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 We'll see how desparate the Rangers get if Carolina continues as expected...regardless I do not see Schneider or Lafreniere being offered in any trades for Miller. Key Ranger assets: Kakko, Lundqvist, Kravstov, Othmann, Chytil, and draft picks. I know they don't have a tonne to offer but the Leafs are likely the most desparate to acquire a playoff type player like Miller (playoffs next year will be key for them). Key Leaf assets: Bunting, Engvall, Robertson (potential injury concerns), Niemela, Amirov, Knies, Steeves and draft picks Ultimately, given the lack of game breakers in any Leafs trade (I wouldn't be interested in Nylander) any trade would be about quantity and the additional trades those assets would allow for. To Van: To TO: Bunting Miller Kerfoot (cap space) Niemela Amirov 2022 1st 2023 2nd & 3rd From there the Canucks could focus on some trades that would add more draft picks and free up cap space: Canucks Army ideas: Trade #15 to drop down (Mtl 29th, 33rd, and 5th round picks OR Arz 30th and 32nd picks) Trade Leafs first round to drop down or move up Trade Garland or Hoglander (love both but both are likely redundant) I would like to see Hughes try the right side with OEL (I think it could extend OEL's playing career - don't think his contract is movable) I think Myers contract is moveable (especially if the Canucks retain some salary) - I would like to see them push for d-replacements via trade this summer 2022/2023 transition lineup: Bunting EP Boeser Garland/Hoglander Bo Podz Pearson Kerfoot xxx (Size/Grit??) Highmore Lammikko Lockwood OEL Hughes xxx xxx Rathbone Dermott Demko Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, 5nothincanucksohno said: We'll see how desparate the Rangers get if Carolina continues as expected...regardless I do not see Schneider or Lafreniere being offered in any trades for Miller. Key Ranger assets: Kakko, Lundqvist, Kravstov, Othmann, Chytil, and draft picks. I know they don't have a tonne to offer but the Leafs are likely the most desparate to acquire a playoff type player like Miller (playoffs next year will be key for them). Key Leaf assets: Bunting, Engvall, Robertson (potential injury concerns), Niemela, Amirov, Knies, Steeves and draft picks Ultimately, given the lack of game breakers in any Leafs trade (I wouldn't be interested in Nylander) any trade would be about quantity and the additional trades those assets would allow for. To Van: To TO: Bunting Miller Kerfoot (cap space) Niemela Amirov 2022 1st 2023 2nd & 3rd From there the Canucks could focus on some trades that would add more draft picks and free up cap space: Canucks Army ideas: Trade #15 to drop down (Mtl 29th, 33rd, and 5th round picks OR Arz 30th and 32nd picks) Trade Leafs first round to drop down or move up Trade Garland or Hoglander (love both but both are likely redundant) I would like to see Hughes try the right side with OEL (I think it could extend OEL's playing career - don't think his contract is movable) I think Myers contract is moveable (especially if the Canucks retain some salary) - I would like to see them push for d-replacements via trade this summer 2022/2023 transition lineup: Bunting EP Boeser Garland/Hoglander Bo Podz Pearson Kerfoot xxx (Size/Grit??) Highmore Lammikko Lockwood OEL Hughes xxx xxx Rathbone Dermott Demko Martin No thanks. That’s a boatload of craperolla from the LOSER LEAFS. If we trade Miller I’m seeing it more a one guy coming back, and that guy has an elite ceiling. So the LOSER LEAFS are out, because they have only scrubs. The Rags could come in with several, but the team I’m watching is Florida. Their forwards are playing soft, and I can see them wanting Miller. And they have that Lundell kid. Miller to FLA for Lundell. That’s gonna be it! Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 29 minutes ago, 5nothincanucksohno said: We'll see how desparate the Rangers get if Carolina continues as expected...regardless I do not see Schneider or Lafreniere being offered in any trades for Miller. Key Ranger assets: Kakko, Lundqvist, Kravstov, Othmann, Chytil, and draft picks. I know they don't have a tonne to offer but the Leafs are likely the most desparate to acquire a playoff type player like Miller (playoffs next year will be key for them). Key Leaf assets: Bunting, Engvall, Robertson (potential injury concerns), Niemela, Amirov, Knies, Steeves and draft picks Ultimately, given the lack of game breakers in any Leafs trade (I wouldn't be interested in Nylander) any trade would be about quantity and the additional trades those assets would allow for. To Van: To TO: Bunting Miller Kerfoot (cap space) Niemela Amirov 2022 1st 2023 2nd & 3rd From there the Canucks could focus on some trades that would add more draft picks and free up cap space: Canucks Army ideas: Trade #15 to drop down (Mtl 29th, 33rd, and 5th round picks OR Arz 30th and 32nd picks) Trade Leafs first round to drop down or move up Trade Garland or Hoglander (love both but both are likely redundant) I would like to see Hughes try the right side with OEL (I think it could extend OEL's playing career - don't think his contract is movable) I think Myers contract is moveable (especially if the Canucks retain some salary) - I would like to see them push for d-replacements via trade this summer 2022/2023 transition lineup: Bunting EP Boeser Garland/Hoglander Bo Podz Pearson Kerfoot xxx (Size/Grit??) Highmore Lammikko Lockwood OEL Hughes xxx xxx Rathbone Dermott Demko Martin There’s zero chance the Leafs are able to fit Miller’s next contract unless they unload one of the big three contracts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, guntrix said: There’s zero chance the Leafs are able to fit Miller’s next contract unless they unload one of the big three contracts. Besides, Miller plays with way too much passion for that bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: When was the last time a 100 point player that could play C/RW or LW, killed penalties and was lethal on the PP while playing heavy was traded at a cost under $3 million? Just....ask yourself that. I get the idea of Miller being a diminished asset but any bubble team or contender would line up to lick the taint of the GM dangling that. It's why I suggest New Jersey is a good home for him. Based on NJs need for a veteran leader. LA works. Carolina. Colorado. New York. Columbus. All have the assets to give in spades for a player that would be cost controlled under $3 million for a year and have full bargaining rights or rights to trade towards the TDL or post season. Remember, a $6 million Hall and a throw in body net Bahl, Merkely, Schnarr a 1st and conditional 3rd. At that point Merkley was a well touted potential blue chip. Bahl was a solid prospect. Even Schnarr was touted as a decent bottom 6 potential centre. I don't get the idea we have to add or retain on Miller at all to recoup a solid return, let alone line up for scraps. A 50% retained Miller to any team on the bubble or in contention is something never traded in this league before in the modern era. it comes down to A LaF being a 1st oa. No one is moving a 1st oa + a bunch of goodies. Now, there are almost certainly teams willing to give more than one player for Miller, its just how much do we want AL? IF he's a potential top 10 1C, then a 1:1 deal would be fair value imo because we'd be getting his best years right when we need them. Edited May 21, 2022 by JM_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Me_ said: Who is AF? Sorry meant "AL" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: Alexis Lafrenier Right… AF… got it… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JM_ said: it comes down to A LaF being a 1st oa. No one is moving a 1st oa + a bunch of goodies. Now, there are almost certainly teams willing to give more than one player for Miller, its just how much do we want AL? IF he's a potential top 10 1C, then a 1:1 deal would be fair value imo because we'd be getting his best years right when we need them. Mackinnon was a 1st OA who produced far better even in his first few years than AF AF is a 29 pps average winger right now. Taylor Hall far outpaced him as well. Was he a 1st overall? yes. Is he playing like one? No. Draft pedigree after year 2-3 is out the window. I mean...Juolevi was a 5th OA. Virtanen a 6th OA. Get where I'm heading with this? Miller is a 100 point player C/LW/RW that could be had for under $3 million for even one single season. That has serious value and I'd argue far more than a former 1st OA who is producing under 30 points per season per average in his first 2 seasons. I don't know what the equivalent would be but I'd imagine something like Podkolzin for Barkov/Huberdeau/Forsberg for $3 million for a season and the rights to re-sign Edited May 21, 2022 by Warhippy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Mackinnon was a 1st OA who produced far better even in his first few years than AF AF is a 29 pps average winger right now. Taylor Hall far outpaced him as well. Was he a 1st overall? yes. Is he playing like one? No. Draft pedigree after year 2-3 is out the window. I mean...Juolevi was a 5th OA. Virtanen a 6th OA. Get where I'm heading with this? Miller is a 100 point player C/LW/RW that could be had for under $3 million for even one single season. That has serious value and I'd argue far more than a former 1st OA who is producing under 30 points per season per average in his first 2 seasons thats fair. And Alexi might be the wrong target because of the pedigree part. I just wonder if he'll be the target given our AGM was his agent and there's a good tie in there. And a top 6 of him and Petey in their prime... could be deadly. What if it was just 1:1 (Miller 50% retained)? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 On 5/20/2022 at 6:26 PM, JM_ said: Forbort would be a nice fit here, it would allow us to move Rathbone in part of a different trade package. Is Forbort worth the 3 mil tho? Beat writer Fluto Shinzawa did a who stays who goes for The Athletic. Forbort is on his "the not going anywhere" list so is Carlo. He has Matt Grzelcyk under "lets make a deal" list while saying that management doesn't want to move him but he would bring back the most in a trade. Reilly also on that list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, JM_ said: thats fair. And Alexi might be the wrong target because of the pedigree part. I just wonder if he'll be the target given our AGM was his agent and there's a good tie in there. And a top 6 of him and Petey in their prime... could be deadly. What if it was just 1:1 (Miller 50% retained)? miller at 50% retention for just Alexis Lafrenier would be 100% a loss for this org on what is arguably our most valuable asset post Bertuzzi trade. We would not get a pick out of it We would not get full cap relief from the trade We would not secure another C to replace him We would not obtain an RHD either That would be an enormous loss in my opinion Edited May 21, 2022 by Warhippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockeye Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, HKSR said: Miller for Lafreniere 1-for-1 would be this generation's Nieuwendyk for Iginla. True. That would be a good comparison. That would be a good trade for us but I can't see the Rangers parting with Lafreniere. Lafreniere has performed well in the playoffs this year and he is only 20 years old. I don't know why a young Rangers team would want to give up on him now. I see Miller going to a team that is already a Stanley Cup contender (or at least a top 6 team). I don't think the Rangers are quite there yet but they are close. I know that we really need D prospects but a Lafreniere trade for Miller would be too good to turn down (anytime you can add assets that can be kept or traded is a good thing). We need to get additional young players that fit in with the age of our core. Edited May 21, 2022 by sockeye 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, sockeye said: True. That would be a good comparison. That would be a good trade for us but I can't see the Rangers parting with Lafreniere. Lafreniere has performed well in the playoffs this year and he is only 20 years old. I don't know why a young Rangers team would want to give up on him now. I see Miller going to a team that is already a Stanley Cup contender (or at least a top 6 team). I don't think the Rangers are quite there yet but they are close. I know that we really need D prospects but a Lafreniere trade for Miller would be too good to turn down (anytime you can add assets that can be kept or traded is a good thing). We need to get additional young players that fit in with the age of our core. And I see Miller remaining a Canuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: No thanks. That’s a boatload of craperolla from the LOSER LEAFS. If we trade Miller I’m seeing it more a one guy coming back, and that guy has an elite ceiling. So the LOSER LEAFS are out, because they have only scrubs. The Rags could come in with several, but the team I’m watching is Florida. Their forwards are playing soft, and I can see them wanting Miller. And they have that Lundell kid. Miller to FLA for Lundell. That’s gonna be it! Reveal hidden contents FLA could very well end up being one of those desparate teams needing a playoff performer. Would like to see Canucks pull a little more out of FLA but Lundell is solid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 NYR's can't afford to resign Miller after next season, so they would be trading for just one season and with no extension in place. Therefore they are not going to spend too much to get Miller. I think Miller is more likely to stay in VAN or go somewhere where they can afford to extend him after next season, e.g. BOS, PIT, LA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 hour ago, guntrix said: There’s zero chance the Leafs are able to fit Miller’s next contract unless they unload one of the big three contracts. Agreed as is - it would purely be a rental option for the Leafs or insurance if they need to move on from (AM, Nylander, etc.) after another playoff flop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 minute ago, 5nothincanucksohno said: FLA could very well end up being one of those desparate teams needing a playoff performer. Would like to see Canucks pull a little more out of FLA but Lundell is solid FLA are in cap hell, they can't afford Miller's salary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 42 minutes ago, JM_ said: thats fair. And Alexi might be the wrong target because of the pedigree part. I just wonder if he'll be the target given our AGM was his agent and there's a good tie in there. And a top 6 of him and Petey in their prime... could be deadly. What if it was just 1:1 (Miller 50% retained)? If the Rags offered AF (ha ha) straight up for Miller I’d hope our owner would allow JR to make that deal. Lafrenierre would fit in nicely with our young core. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, BigTramFan said: FLA are in cap hell, they can't afford Miller's salary Are they in cap hell next year though? Several guys, like Geroux are UFAs. We take Lundell + Reinhart as a cap dumperoo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Are they in cap hell next year though? Several guys, like Geroux are UFAs. We take Lundell + Reinhart as a cap dumperoo? Yep next season $78.5m with only 16 players signed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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