[Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

[EdgarM]

42 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

i think the only chance we have at keeping EP if we end up moving bo is winning the lottery lol. unless we win the bedard sweepstake i really don't see how we can convince EP there's a future with the current canucks in the next 3-5 years once bo is gone.

Bo is not the "be all to end all". We have not done well since he joined the team. He is great player no doubt, but we are not all of a sudden going to be a worse team without him in the line up. The big part of this team right now is inconsistency and Bo is not immune to that.

[mll]

1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I could see Boston biting given their long term C situation. Miller might provide a solution. 
 

Sure hasn’t started out this year as a C well though but can’t imagine he’s gonna stay wing all year. 

 

Bergeron multiple Selke winner to Miller.  That's quite the gap in defensive play - not sure Bruins will want to make that sharp of a change.  Would they even see Miller as a C.   

 

I would expect them to go after Dubois instead.  The Jets are in the same situation with him as they were with Trouba, who they then traded with 1 RFA year left.

 

They had an incredible October and McAvoy is still injured and Marchand played only 2 games.  Don't see them wanting to make changes to their NHL roster just yet.  Dubois is likely an off-season trade.

 

Edited November 4, 2022 by mll

[BPA]

1 hour ago, HKSR said:

That shooting % is not sustainable.  It'll likely be 10% lower by the end of the season.

Bo has 10g in 11 games.  
 

Very good chance he can repeat a 30g season.  Possibly even 40g.  

[EdgarM]

4 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

We dont have until the end of the season, a decision will be made by trade deadline. Pretty safe to say he will have back to back 30 goal seasons. 

Yeah I think when they are looking at signing a new contract they look at his entire career and not just the last few games before its up. We all know pretty much every player spikes a bit at the end of their contracts. Its nothing new.

[HKSR]

10 minutes ago, BPA said:

Bo has 10g in 11 games.  
 

Very good chance he can repeat a 30g season.  Possibly even 40g.  

No doubt he'll hit 30.  Like you said, maybe even 40... I'm just saying he can't sustain a 26% shooting % lol

[Life life]

8 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

management already burnt all the bridges to get bo signed to something reasonable like 7mil. i really don't see bo signing for anything less than Miller at this rate.. JR/PA messed this up so badly i honestly don't see any other choice but to go on a full rebuild once horvat is traded or leaves.. if that does happen the management needs to go into a full on rebuilt right away.. and not waste another year or 2 trying to solve problems they keep on creating. once horvat is gone we are done to EP only as a center and Miller as a fringe center.. so literally our center is so weak there's really not a scenario i can not foresee the canucks being competitive enough the next 2 season.. ep's remaining rfa years.. aka he's going to be traded or tell the management he won't be signing past his rfa years. and we'll literally be stuck with a team with just miller hughes and oel. demko will probably have to be traded too so might as well get the party started early. if they are trading Bo.. do it sooner than later.. i want a chance at bedard not at a 15-16 overall pick thx.

Brother.You have so many info from the future.Care to tell me am i going to win lottery maybe?If this team depend on Bo we are really screwed.More reality less imagination.No one know what is going behind

[Bure_Pavel]

32 minutes ago, EdgarM said:

Bo is not the "be all to end all". We have not done well since he joined the team. He is great player no doubt, but we are not all of a sudden going to be a worse team without him in the line up. The big part of this team right now is inconsistency and Bo is not immune to that.

He is in my opinion the only true Center on the team, (playing him on the wing would be weird). Petey is also on his way to become one. He is one of the best faceoff guys in the NHL, captain of the team, only member left from the Sedin Era, team first guy, and on pace for back to back thirty goal seasons. I think we would definitely be worse without him.   

Edited November 4, 2022 by Bure_Pavel

[The_Rocket]

12 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

He is in my opinion the only true Center on the team, (playing him on the wing would be weird). Petey is also on his way to become one. He is one of the best faceoff guys in the NHL, captain of the team, only member left from the Sedin Era, team first guy, and on pace for back to back thirty goal seasons. I think we would definitely be worse without him.   

Boeser is kinda left over from the Sedin era. They overlapped one year. Believe Demko also played 1 game with the Sedins if I’m not mistaken. 
 

and breezebah has been around for like 2 decades so I’m sure they overlapped somewhere

[wai_lai416]

13 minutes ago, Life life said:

Brother.You have so many info from the future.Care to tell me am i going to win lottery maybe?If this team depend on Bo we are really screwed.More reality less imagination.No one know what is going behind

lol you have to be pretty blind and ignorant to see once Bo is gone we have no center outside of EP.. u think this team will be good enough with just EP as ur center? behind it amon dries and studnicka? do we have any center prospect up coming that's projected to be a top 6? you think a bo trade is going to bring you back a 2c? if so why trade for bo? so where are we getting a 2c and a 3c from? over paying in the ufa? 

 

you don't need a crystal ball to see this teams future.. it's pretty black and white. before you can argue trading bo and get a rhd.. now with Miller incapable of being a 1c or a 2c? that argument is off the table because we no longer have any center depth on this team. Miller is never going back to playing center unless we can get 2 defensive specialist to play with him.. even on bo's line right now he's still doing his stupid no look pass up the middle and all the other terrible giveaways.

 

same arguement for Miller over the summer. a lot of cdc was crying if we trade Miller this team is screwed.. so ya if we trade Bo this team is screwed too because we have no more center on this team. oh  hence the rebuild. oh right bo is only on pace for almost 2000 faceoff this year.. good luck talking to yourself we'll be just fine trading bo

[Junkyard Dog]

44 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Bergeron multiple Selke winner to Miller.  That's quite the gap in defensive play - not sure Bruins will want to make that sharp of a change.  Would they even see Miller as a C.   

 

I would expect them to go after Dubois instead.  The Jets are in the same situation with him as they were with Trouba, who they then traded with 1 RFA year left.

 

They had an incredible October and McAvoy is still injured and Marchand played only 2 games.  Don't see them wanting to make changes to their NHL roster just yet.  Dubois is likely an off-season trade.

 

Not sure they’ll ever replace Bergeron no matter how hard they try. 
 

Last year Miller proved pretty capable at C. Not a strong start so far but I can’t imagine he stays at wing forever. 
 

Miller has a 52.6% career faceoff percentage in comparison to Dubois’ 44.7%. Miller in his past 3 years prior to this one also has two top 25 finishes in Selke voting and two top 20 finishes in Hart voting. In comparison Dubois has never been that high up in either voting throughout his career. 

 

They wouldn’t have to give up serious assets on their roster to acquire Miller. 
 

Dubois likely gonna cost them more than Miller would with more teams competing for his services. I also wonder if he’d get more in a contract. 

[5nothincanucksohno]

2 hours ago, spook007 said:

Doubt anyone is willing to offer this much for Miller unless he turns into vintage Miller again.

The 7x8M will be a tough one to swallow for a lot of teams. 

 

Myers could fetch a second or maybe even a first if a team challenging, looses a RHD leading up to TDL, especially if we retain.

 

Timing is everything.

Ya for sure...a lot will depend on individual performance between now and the deadline. I have nothing against those players and would love to see them succeed but I just think the torch needs to be passed to a new, younger leadership group.

 

- Miller has not been playing well but he still has 10 points in 11 games (6G, 4A). There is value there for teams that feel he can supplement a stronger leadership group. Could very well be a challenge but I think there will be interested teams. Plus, I believe the last two years of his deal are buy out friendly no?

- I think there will be quite a few teams competing for playoff spots this year. Hopefully it is a sellers market and Mgmt can take advantage of it.

- I think Myers will get more interest than people think, especially with $1M retained or something along those lines.

 

[5nothincanucksohno]

1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said:

i think the only chance we have at keeping EP if we end up moving bo is winning the lottery lol. unless we win the bedard sweepstake i really don't see how we can convince EP there's a future with the current canucks in the next 3-5 years once bo is gone.

If EP can continue at this rate, he will the man. Mgmt just needs to surround him with gamers (mostly young but a couple FAs) and allow him to lead by example. Bo is great but he has been unable to pull this team into the fight...would much rather spend that $7.5+M on younger up and coming players. Especially if mgmt can free up additional cap space at the TDL.

[5nothincanucksohno]

1 hour ago, EdgarM said:

Meh, its pretty convenient to be padding the stats at the same time your contract is up. Besides, he is a streaky player and I believe the numbers will even out by the end of the season anyway.

Agreed, wouldn't assume those numbers to continue in non-contract years.

[Life life]

16 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

lol you have to be pretty blind and ignorant to see once Bo is gone we have no center outside of EP.. u think this team will be good enough with just EP as ur center? behind it amon dries and studnicka? do we have any center prospect up coming that's projected to be a top 6? you think a bo trade is going to bring you back a 2c? if so why trade for bo? so where are we getting a 2c and a 3c from? over paying in the ufa? 

 

you don't need a crystal ball to see this teams future.. it's pretty black and white. before you can argue trading bo and get a rhd.. now with Miller incapable of being a 1c or a 2c? that argument is off the table because we no longer have any center depth on this team. Miller is never going back to playing center unless we can get 2 defensive specialist to play with him.. even on bo's line right now he's still doing his stupid no look pass up the middle and all the other terrible giveaways.

 

same arguement for Miller over the summer. a lot of cdc was crying if we trade Miller this team is screwed.. so ya if we trade Bo this team is screwed too because we have no more center on this team. oh  hence the rebuild. oh right bo is only on pace for almost 2000 faceoff this year.. good luck talking to yourself we'll be just fine trading bo

I dont talking about trading Bo.I like him.But it is not end of world.Also i dont think president who build Stanley cup team is so naive and dumm to let everything go down the hill just like that.You can talk about Miller what you want but he scores constantly.Question for you?Where had benn Bo all this years?Suddenly he is so good.Contract year?????all i know there is certan amount of money we have.If you want to talk about Brock,that is another story.I would be in your corner.Dont take it hard on me,meant no disrespect

[5nothincanucksohno]

59 minutes ago, BPA said:

Bo has 10g in 11 games.  
 

Very good chance he can repeat a 30g season.  Possibly even 40g.  

I like Bo but I would rather see him create more wins...that would suggest he is rounding into a more all around game. If Bo can pull the team to wins, then maybe he is worth $7Mx8. I just don't see him having a significant effect on PK, 5v5, etc. to do that or be worth that contract. Given his early results, I think his value is much higher as a trade chip. 

 

[5nothincanucksohno]

32 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

lol you have to be pretty blind and ignorant to see once Bo is gone we have no center outside of EP.. u think this team will be good enough with just EP as ur center? behind it amon dries and studnicka? do we have any center prospect up coming that's projected to be a top 6? you think a bo trade is going to bring you back a 2c? if so why trade for bo? so where are we getting a 2c and a 3c from? over paying in the ufa? 

 

you don't need a crystal ball to see this teams future.. it's pretty black and white. before you can argue trading bo and get a rhd.. now with Miller incapable of being a 1c or a 2c? that argument is off the table because we no longer have any center depth on this team. Miller is never going back to playing center unless we can get 2 defensive specialist to play with him.. even on bo's line right now he's still doing his stupid no look pass up the middle and all the other terrible giveaways.

 

same arguement for Miller over the summer. a lot of cdc was crying if we trade Miller this team is screwed.. so ya if we trade Bo this team is screwed too because we have no more center on this team. oh  hence the rebuild. oh right bo is only on pace for almost 2000 faceoff this year.. good luck talking to yourself we'll be just fine trading bo

You don't think Bo could fetch a solid haul including a top six center that just happens to be younger or a prospect? This year would be down the tube potentially...not much different than where the team is at currently. Further trades at the deadline, in what could be a sellers market, and they could have room to target a FA or a trade in the summer.

 

Edited November 4, 2022 by 5nothincanucksohno

[N4ZZY]

1 hour ago, BPA said:

Bo has 10g in 11 games.  
 

Very good chance he can repeat a 30g season.  Possibly even 40g.  

Would be a very Canuck thing to do to lose a player who would eventually score 40 goals with another team other than the Canucks. 

 

FML

[EdgarM]

28 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

He is in my opinion the only true Center on the team, (playing him on the wing would be weird). Petey is also on his way to become one. He is one of the best faceoff guys in the NHL, captain of the team, only member left from the Sedin Era, team first guy, and on pace for back to back thirty goal seasons. I think we would definitely be worse without him.   

He was definitely our "Go to" guy for many seasons and our top centerman behind Hank but like you said we have Petey and Miller(before this season) who have joined the team since then. His Captaincy is still up in the air as he has not lead us to anything yet and might never. As this is his contract year, i fully expect him to go all out and produce more then his past  8 seasons.

[N4ZZY]

6 minutes ago, Life life said:

I dont talking about trading Bo.I like him.But it is not end of world.Also i dont think president who build Stanley cup team is so naive and dumm to let everything go down the hill just like that.You can talk about Miller what you want but he scores constantly.Question for you?Where had benn Bo all this years?Suddenly he is so good.Contract year?????all i know there is certan amount of money we have.If you want to talk about Brock,that is another story.I would be in your corner.Dont take it hard on me,meant no disrespect

Yes, but if you lose Bo, how do you convince your best player on the team to resign with the team long term? What reasons would Petey want to sign here if they lose their next best centre in Horvat? Miller doesn't inspire confidence. He's in his 30's when Petey will be in his prime. Is that another OEL contract just waiting to happen? 

 

Good management is being able to admit that they made a mistake, and correct. This current management seems to be too high on their fucking horse to admit that. That eventually will be their downfall. Benning's management was just plain stupid and idiotic. That man and his team could not manage, let alone build. 

[N4ZZY]

48 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

He is in my opinion the only true Center on the team, (playing him on the wing would be weird). Petey is also on his way to become one. He is one of the best faceoff guys in the NHL, captain of the team, only member left from the Sedin Era, team first guy, and on pace for back to back thirty goal seasons. I think we would definitely be worse without him.   

I agree. I think Bo's camp has management by their balls honestly. 

 

If they lose him for nothing, then this fan base is going to be all over them. Would I pay to go and see a game next season if this current team is worse? No. I would not. Aquilini thinks he's losing money? If this team gets worse, he's going to be losing all kinds of money from his "toy". 

 

Fuck you Francesco for allowing this team to get to where it is. Stupid ownership leads to all kinds of stupid decisions. Step away for God's sake.