J-23 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Kotkan comes with risk. He’s young but has underperformed year 1 of his 8 year deal. Would need another piece of sorts. Another OEL anchor contract. JK can stay where he’s at. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Off_The_Schneid! said: Florida hasn’t been mentioned but if they can inch within striking distance of the playoffs they could bite Heard that they haven’t been overly impressed with Reinhart (1 more year @6.5m) Florida doesn’t have many picks to offer as a sweetener though Have heard that Florida is willing to do something to ensure that the pick they gave the Habs is not a lottery pick. Which means adding hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Kotkan comes with risk. He’s young but has underperformed year 1 of his 8 year deal. Would need another piece of sorts. It would be nice but I’m also trying to be realistic. Maybe another prospect or pick? We might be able to squeeze em a bit for taking JK back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 16 minutes ago, RWJC said: Hahahahaaaaa sure bud. This dude is taking his job a little to seriously and must truly be hittin the Krak pipe. (from Kraken blogger Sean Maloughney): What would it take for the Seattle Kraken to get Bo Horvat? At first I took this rumour with a grain of salt but it continues to pop up more and more by people I respect and who's opinions I trust. Horvat would give the Kraken a legitimate top six centre and a huge boost to their two way play. The Canucks are an absolute mess right now with no real understanding of how they want to proceed as a team. The team should absolutely be going back into a full rebuild, collecting as many picks and prospects as possible. Ownership however seems to think that they are just a few veterans away from being a playoff team. Everything in Canuck Land has been mishandled. All this means is a team like the Kraken might have exactly what the Canucks "think" will push them into the promised land.If the Canucks want NHL ready players for Horvat, what about Yanni Gourde? The 31 year old has two more years on his deal after this one and a respectable 6-23-29 in 43 games this season, playing most in a third line capacity for the Kraken. Last season in a more prolific role, Gourde put up 21 goals. Of course with Gourde there is the connection with the now long term signed J.T. Miller who played together in Tampa. What about Tolvanen with 5 goals in 10 games this season for the Kraken? The 23 year old is signed for this season and next season at 1.45 million and is an RFA at the end of the deal.Gourde, Tolvanen, a 1st, and a conditional 1st if he resigns in exchange for Bo Horvat. Who says no to that deal? I honestly believe that is exactly the kind of trade that the Canucks think is a slam dunk for them moving forward. I look at it as the team trading an expensive third line centre, a top nine winger on a heater, and a 1st in exchange for a legit top end centreman. This is what the lineup could look like for the Kraken with that in mind: Burakovsky-Beniers-EberleSchwartz-Horvat-McCannDonato-Wennberg-BjorkstrandTanev-Geekie-Sprong the Canucks say no to that deal 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) The two 1sts, a roster player and a prospect is intriguing proposal from the Kraken blogger. Potential for a huge win if Seattle is over performing this year and the following draft’s 1st turns into a high pick. Edited January 20, 2023 by Junkyard Dog 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, J-23 said: I don’t think any exceptional young RHD’s are on the market. You have to draft and develop those guys imo. Hence why we should stop our moronic trading away of high picks 19 minutes ago, RWJC said: Hahahahaaaaa sure bud. This dude is taking his job a little to seriously and must truly be hittin the Krak pipe. (from Kraken blogger Sean Maloughney): What would it take for the Seattle Kraken to get Bo Horvat? At first I took this rumour with a grain of salt but it continues to pop up more and more by people I respect and who's opinions I trust. Horvat would give the Kraken a legitimate top six centre and a huge boost to their two way play. The Canucks are an absolute mess right now with no real understanding of how they want to proceed as a team. The team should absolutely be going back into a full rebuild, collecting as many picks and prospects as possible. Ownership however seems to think that they are just a few veterans away from being a playoff team. Everything in Canuck Land has been mishandled. All this means is a team like the Kraken might have exactly what the Canucks "think" will push them into the promised land.If the Canucks want NHL ready players for Horvat, what about Yanni Gourde? The 31 year old has two more years on his deal after this one and a respectable 6-23-29 in 43 games this season, playing most in a third line capacity for the Kraken. Last season in a more prolific role, Gourde put up 21 goals. Of course with Gourde there is the connection with the now long term signed J.T. Miller who played together in Tampa. What about Tolvanen with 5 goals in 10 games this season for the Kraken? The 23 year old is signed for this season and next season at 1.45 million and is an RFA at the end of the deal.Gourde, Tolvanen, a 1st, and a conditional 1st if he resigns in exchange for Bo Horvat. Who says no to that deal? I honestly believe that is exactly the kind of trade that the Canucks think is a slam dunk for them moving forward. I look at it as the team trading an expensive third line centre, a top nine winger on a heater, and a 1st in exchange for a legit top end centreman. This is what the lineup could look like for the Kraken with that in mind: Burakovsky-Beniers-EberleSchwartz-Horvat-McCannDonato-Wennberg-BjorkstrandTanev-Geekie-Sprong Tolvanen was just plucked off waivers, I'm not taking someone we passed on as part of a trade return The couple of 1sts is nice but Gourde doesn't move the needle for me at all Edited January 20, 2023 by Coconuts 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, Canucks Curse said: the Canucks say no to that deal The Canucks will say yes to the best deal on the table unless they want to walk back the same team again next year, minus Kuzmenko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Junkyard Dog said: The two 1sts roster player and prospect is intriguing proposal from the Kraken blogger. Potential for a huge win if Seattle is over performing this year and the following draft’s 1st turns into a high pick. I was thinking the same thing. Tolvanen redundant but replaced with a decent (defensive) prospect that’s not a bad deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Might change CAR’s plans if Pac is out long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: The two 1sts roster player and prospect is intriguing proposal from the Kraken blogger. Potential for a huge win if Seattle is over performing this year and the following draft’s 1st turns into a high pick. I don’t think they are over-performing. They will only get better from here imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: I don’t actually think he’s far off. 2 1sts, Gourde and a D prospect instead of Tolvanen probably gets it done, depending on what other teams are offering. It includes a conditional first only if he extends, which I doubt he would do in SEA. Just feels underwhelming though it may be in the ballpark, no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Angry Goose said: Might change CAR’s plans if Pac is out long term 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 I wouldn't accept any deal that involves picks being conditional upon Bo's re-signing, that's a losing deal waiting to happen Two 1st round picks only actually sounds good if they're guaranteed If we were left holding the bag with a 1st, Gourde, and a middle value piece instead I'd be choked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Angry Goose said: Might change CAR’s plans if Pac is out long term This is why teams wait right up until the deadline. Things like this can change everything for teams. If Pacioretty is out until playoffs they just opened up a ton of cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Angry Goose said: Might change CAR’s plans if Pac is out long term Interesting. Wonder how bad the injury is. Could wind up accelerating a trade, or completely nixing one. If Max is out for the year they won't push all their chips in. But if he's out for a bit then back for playoffs, that could give them a bunch of LTIR cap space to work with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jester13 said: I said it earlier, people are underrating Wright. Bo (and even adding JL) for Wright is a great deal for us. 6 minutes ago, J-23 said: Take that deal and run, even if we have to throw in Lekky I would highly consider it. 100% Everyone is throwing out insane evaluations If Florida had and had offered Beniers for Giroux last year Philly would have jumped. If it was Hischier in his draft year+1 same thing. IF at worst we're getting back a future RNH or Horvat style 2a or 1b centre at 19 years old, drafting top 10 or better this year and still making moves for the next 2 seasons it's money. I'd take that deal vs Carlo and a late 1st any day of the week. The alternative is watching Horvat get injured or walking away for nothing in a rush to get to the playoffs under the new coach and hearing "we tried to get something done but ran out of time" ala Hamhuis, Tanev, Tofolli, Markstrom etc etc etc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I wouldn't accept any deal that involves picks being conditional upon Bo's re-signing, that's a losing deal waiting to happen Two 1st round picks only actually sounds good if they're guaranteed If we were left holding the bag with a 1st, Gourde, and a middle value piece instead I'd be choked I keep forgetting but Im told you cant include conditional picks in trades anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: This is why teams wait right up until the deadline. Things like this can change everything for teams. If Pacioretty is out until playoffs they just opened up a ton of cap. Send them Miller now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Shayster007 said: Interesting. Wonder how bad the injury is. Could wind up accelerating a trade, or completely nixing one. If Max is out for the year they won't push all their chips in. But if he's out for a bit then back for playoffs, that could give them a bunch of LTIR cap space to work with. He just came off IR for a torn achillies-if this is related to that or a new (and presumably bad) lower body injury it could spell bad news for Patches. Rehabbing an Achillies is bad enough-something new would be really tough to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Kotkan comes with risk. He’s young but has underperformed year 1 of his 8 year deal. Would need another piece of sorts. morrow, Seth Jarvis for Bo, Rathbone, McDonut, do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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