[Signing] Flames re-sign Jonathan Huberdeau

[sxqhfeh]

That's the same contract the Flames offered Gaudreau

[Western Red]

Without reading ANY of these 250+ replies, I'm going to say that Huberdeau is a better player and will get you farther.

 

There.

[Western Red]

2 hours ago, Canuck You said:

In other new :  Nothing sucks more then finding out that your fav porn-star has passed away..I dunno what I'm going to do with myself for the rest of the day/night besides discuss athletes bank accounts.

This is in bad taste. I'll be happy when you're not around.

[Gurn]

20 minutes ago, Western Red said:

I'll be happy when you're not around.

Why wait; I mean the guy could be here for the next 20 yrs, seems a long time to wait.

[Westcoastcanucks777]

Don’t get mad now but Johnathan Hockey is the real Johnny Hockey …Hubes rocks Gaudreaus face 

[Hairy Kneel]

5 hours ago, wildcam said:

I think any team paying 30 year old player 10.5 million X 8 years is looking for trouble last 3-4  yrs of the contract..

Sure hope Vancouver don't sign Miller to 8 yrs X 8.5 million..Please no no....

I think Miller is realistically a point a game guy...This season GP 75 - G 27  - PTS  74- 78 predict

 

I think this is a knee jerk reaction to losing 2 top players.

[shiznak]

16 hours ago, JM_ said:

interesting. If this guy is correct, Miller is also an 'elite playmaker'. So why do people keep saying Miller is a guaranteed drop off?

 

According to this, most of Miller’s assists total come from the cycle (most likely PP).

 

 

He’s not bad at distributing the puck, but I wouldn’t call him elite.

[coryberg]

7 hours ago, Western Red said:

Without reading ANY of these 250+ replies, I'm going to say that Huberdeau is a better player and will get you farther.

 

There.

Today? Maybe. In 5 years? Highly unlikely... but anything is possible. Either way the flames had no choice. They tipped their hand when they traded for him, they were gonna pony up or lose the trade badly. 

[mll]

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Edited August 6, 2022 by mll

[The Colt 45s]

On 8/4/2022 at 10:06 PM, tas said:

man, that's a lot of quiche for any winger. 

A side note: When I worked at the Flames in the mid 1990s, on the players and staff side, the meals were fantastic.  Lots of the highest grade Canadian beef and chicken.  Miss the breakfast, lunch, and dinner meals.  It was a bunch of long hours and long days without a day off, but they treated us really good.

Edited August 6, 2022 by The Colt 45s

[Dazzle]

14 hours ago, Alflives said:

To keep Miller here we would have to way over pay him like what Treliving just did to keep Huberdough.  No thanks.  Trade him or let him go find more money that we’re offering July 1, 2023.  

 

15 hours ago, N7Nucks said:

People celebrating this like it doesn't give Miller a case for 10mil himself. He has a better all around game and just recently put up 99 points.

Come on bros. Why are we lying to ourselves when we can CLEARLY see that this is not the case?

 

 

This is an example of how bias makes people just ignore facts. LOL. Huberdeau had 115 points last year, whereas Miller got 99 for his career year. Huberdeau is much closer to being a point per game than Miller is.

 

How can people say Huberdeau is worse than Miller? That is categorically false.

[NHL'er]

32 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

 

Come on bros. Why are we lying to ourselves when we can CLEARLY see that this is not the case?

 

 

This is an example of how bias makes people just ignore facts. LOL. Huberdeau had 115 points last year, whereas Miller got 99 for his career year. Huberdeau is much closer to being a point per game than Miller is.

 

How can people say Huberdeau is worse than Miller? That is categorically false.

But can Huberd'oh do this??

 

[Westcoastcanucks777]

4 minutes ago, NHL'er said:

But can Huberd'oh do this??

 

Looks like Milseys tellin some doozies maybe H is not a funny man..point taken 

[Coconuts]

6 hours ago, shiznak said:

According to this, most of Miller’s assists total come from the cycle (most likely PP).

 

 

He’s not bad at distributing the puck, but I wouldn’t call him elite.

Makes sense, I still believe he's partially a result of Hughes being Hughes though 

 

Obviously Hughes has benefits as well but it's no coincidence that Miller's numbers took off with Hughes behind him in Vancouver 

 

I reckon Hughes would continue with a similarly talented player up front, I reckon Miller would see a larger drop off

Edited August 6, 2022 by Coconuts

[IBatch]

19 hours ago, stawns said:

Don't see it.  I think he has no intention of finishing his career in canada

It's an assumption regardless, all his pressers are very positive - more so then other players that left at least (says more then just all the right things these guys seem to be trained to do about their teams except a select few that ask to be traded).   In Vancouver he knows he's the man, and will keep being the man...and genuinely seems grateful that this was the team that finally gave him

a shot.   Wouldn't go so far as to say he has no intention to re-sign with us, his camp already has a number that works for him to stay.    The crap crap crap part is, to match even the half dozen high tax US teams (CALI and NY ones), we'd have to add 4-5%.   Most 11-16%.   And  you'd think most US players traded to Vancouver, MTL, OTT and TO would be a little peeved about the lost wages (for Miller if he's here the entire season, that's, 3.5ish overall on his TB deal).

 

Until this is addressed, it's going to continue to make it awfully hard for most CAN teams to compete.    ANA is the only one since the cap came in, that won a cup, and some of those guys were signed before the cap came in, that matches CAL, EDM and at the time, VAN. 

 

For sure Miller is going to get over 8 somewhere.   The term...well maybe now 7-8 is also going to be on the table as well.    Personally think that's not a deal that works for our team anyways.   8-8.5x 6 would be ok though. 

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Coconuts said:

Makes sense, I still believe he's partially a result of Hughes being Hughes though 

 

Obviously Hughes has benefits as well but it's no coincidence that Miller's numbers took off with Hughes behind him in Vancouver 

 

I reckon Hughes would continue with a similarly talented player up front, I reckon Miller would see a larger drop off

It's a two way street as well.   Miller is pretty decent 5 x 5, sure he gets his PP points but it's not like he's feasting on it either like some first line players (50/50)... Watching him go up against an entire OTT line live, come in and score was a pretty boss move.    QHs is an exceptional puck mover and walks the line as well or better then anyone in the league right now, but you still need the guys he's passing the puck to finish.    Miller and EP are the ones down low making those passes, QHs gets third assists often because he's able to keep the puck in, but isn't making most of his passes through legs cross ice etc, just moving the piece's on the chess board around to open a lane if he can (which for sure is worthy of that second assist!)..

 

  Funny how Miller was scoring at a 130ish rate near the end of the season once EP started going... not a coincidence.    

Edited August 6, 2022 by IBatch

[JM_]

7 hours ago, shiznak said:

According to this, most of Miller’s assists total come from the cycle (most likely PP).

 

 

He’s not bad at distributing the puck, but I wouldn’t call him elite.

you can find the 5 on 5 vs PP info here: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/m/millejt01.html It was mostly 5 on 5 or SH but pretty close to even split with PP time. 

 

I was more reacting to the reductive tweet that was trying to justify the 10.5x8 Hubie deal. Just looking at 60% of points coming from assists is too narrow a view of a player. 

[JM_]

17 minutes ago, IBatch said:

 

For sure Miller is going to get over 8 somewhere.   The term...well maybe now 7-8 is also going to be on the table as well.    Personally think that's not a deal that works for our team anyways.   8-8.5x 6 would be ok though. 

depends on how you view the next 4 years I suppose. Signing Miller and Bo long term does help us if Petey's demands in two years are astronomical. 

 

Top 6 C's are also not going to get cheaper over time as the cap goes up. There's no way around us paying big for someone in a year if Miller moves on. 

[IBatch]

As for this contract.   The next CBA needs to address this.   No way should players in their 30's, be allowed to sign such ridiculous deals.   They need to start limiting the term.   Drop it down to six years IF they are on your team, five years as a UFA signing on a different team.   All it does is create issues that come up later.   Very good production from a UFA vet - GMs should be considering pure production wise for forwards, is a point every 100k.   No way JH is going to score 105 for 8 seasons lol...not even close.     Same with Johnny Hockey for that matter (earn his next deal).    RFAs absolutely need to get that production as well.  

 

Miller at 8.5 is actually pretty decent value.   And he should get it too.   Over 10 lol, well one boffo season and another close to it ... that's a big overpayment and the cap needs to go up a lot to make it half way decent.   A terrible deal.    It is going to affect others up next year as well.  

 

At least JT Miller, Horvat etc, won't find themselves in a great bargaining position given there won't be much cap space left to find anywhere next season.   Quite a few teams will be trying awfully hard to dump their cap on a few teams that do.   ARI is actually in the cat birds seat in that regard...glad they aren't in our division anymore.    Seattle hasn't done a good enough job leveraging that thankfully.   Yet at least.    

 

Think the NHLPA would also be better served, less buyouts means the majority has a larger pool of money available to them.   RFA deals also come back to bite teams too often ... they should also be reduced by a year.    

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, IBatch said:

As for this contract.   The next CBA needs to address this.   No way should players in their 30's, be allowed to sign such ridiculous deals.   They need to start limiting the term.   Drop it down to six years IF they are on your team, five years as a UFA signing on a different team.   All it does is create issues that come up later.   Very good production from a UFA vet - GMs should be considering pure production wise for forwards, is a point every 100k.   No way JH is going to score 105 for 8 seasons lol...not even close.     Same with Johnny Hockey for that matter (earn his next deal).    RFAs absolutely need to get that production as well.  

probably a good idea... but do the older players go for this? owners would have to force this on them, likely meaning a work stoppage. But maybe thats coming anyway.

 

 

4 minutes ago, IBatch said:

 

Miller at 8.5 is actually pretty decent value.   And he should get it too.   Over 10 lol, well one boffo season and another close to it ... that's a big overpayment and the cap needs to go up a lot to make it half way decent.   A terrible deal.    It is going to affect others up next year as well.  

 

At least JT Miller, Horvat etc, won't find themselves in a great bargaining position given there won't be much cap space left to find anywhere next season.   Quite a few teams will be trying awfully hard to dump their cap on a few teams that do.   ARI is actually in the cat birds seat in that regard...glad they aren't in our division anymore.    Seattle hasn't done a good enough job leveraging that thankfully.   Yet at least.    

 

Think the NHLPA would also be better served, less buyouts means the majority has a larger pool of money available to them.   RFA deals also come back to bite teams too often ... they should also be reduced by a year.    

JR didn't sound very hopeful that there was a path to a deal, but we'll see. He's not going to negotiate against himself in the media.