What should the Canucks approach be at the trade deadline if they’re in the playoff race?

[J-23]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

If our new management is going to follow their word then any coming UFAs not signed by the TDL will be traded.  

New management group says a lot...

[IBatch]

16 hours ago, DrJockitch said:

We have started our run for 16th OA. Book it now. Team screams we need rebuild, ownership screams your a championship calibre team, hold the course. 

If JR is true to his word, then rebuild is definitely on the table, as is trading Horvat (repeatedly said they like to sign him, but if they can't the better he's playing the better the return).

 

Patience is tough at times.   Sakic was getting ripped badly by his media AND the international main sports media ... THN, SN etc ... for taking his sweet ass time on trading Duchene who said he wanted out.   An entire year of analysis, then he pulled the trigger.   Nobody is saying anything now total crickets there. Just praises ... "HHOF player, HHOF GM" paraphrasing THN summer love affair showing how he did what he did.   Girard, picks, Makar, Manson, Toews, Kadri, Byram etc etc etc.   

 

Point is it's on the table anyways.   What happens next is anyone's guess.   The team still has a chance to prove last year wasn't a fluke, but it doesn't change the fact we need succession plans for Schenn and Myers (and upgrades).   So far they at least have shed cap.   So it's not getting bumped into the future.   One of Brock or Garland need to go.   Myers too. 

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, IBatch said:

If JR is true to his word, then rebuild is definitely on the table, as is trading Horvat (repeatedly said they like to sign him, but if they can't the better he's playing the better the return).

 

Patience is tough at times.   Sakic was getting ripped badly by his media AND the international main sports media ... THN, SN etc ... for taking his sweet ass time on trading Duchene who said he wanted out.   An entire year of analysis, then he pulled the trigger.   Nobody is saying anything now total crickets there. Just praises ... "HHOF player, HHOF GM" paraphrasing THN summer love affair showing how he did what he did.   Girard, picks, Makar, Manson, Toews, Kadri, Byram etc etc etc.   

 

Point is it's on the table anyways.   What happens next is anyone's guess.   The team still has a chance to prove last year wasn't a fluke, but it doesn't change the fact we need succession plans for Schenn and Myers (and upgrades).   So far they at least have shed cap.   So it's not getting bumped into the future.   One of Brock or Garland need to go.   Myers too. 

Sakic’s owner allowed rebuilding like trades, and the ?Avs did a deep dive.  Our owner will not allow those kinds of moves of his “key core” players.  

[Ghostsof1915]

That problem with moving Chaos Giraffe is despite his inconsistency, he still logs lots of minutes as a RHD. I would love to free up his salary. But who's going to step in?

Travis Dermott?

[stawns]

25 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

That problem with moving Chaos Giraffe is despite his inconsistency, he still logs lots of minutes as a RHD. I would love to free up his salary. But who's going to step in?

Travis Dermott?

Again, it's unlikely any of the deals people want made will free up a whole lot of salary.........not without giving up significant assets.  It's much more likely that deals for guys like Boeser, Myers, Garland etc would be hockey deals with roster players and salary coming back.  

[IBatch]

28 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Sakic’s owner allowed rebuilding like trades, and the ?Avs did a deep dive.  Our owner will not allow those kinds of moves of his “key core” players.  

Duchene forced their hand  by asking out too.   Their  fans sure weren't happy about that.    Their budding young star ... point is they did go there but not right away either, and they also swapped for a need in Kadri, not really a rebuilding move.    We could try and do a COL style re-set but would have to use considerable assets to get out of certain deals to make it work.    Garland and Brock both essentially cap dumps ... not much coming back there.   Although if Brock starts scoring that could change (yes he's getting his points, that helps for sure).   There is a path where we could do this, but signing Miller kind of threw a wrench in it.   He'd be our Landsekog and OEL our Johnson (and it should have been Horvat).   Plus we'd have to pull the plug now or it's mute.   COL got like 45 points, over 20 below second place when they drafted Makar.   And lost the lottery lol.   So much went right for them it's not just planning it's luck.   But they did put themselves in that spot and you can't get lucky unless you do. 

 

Stewart said the Canucks aren't in a good position to rebuild and it's hard not to agree with that.   What we need now is a couple solid hockey trades to fix our D.   Nashville needs scoring.   Fabbro is just another Bear maybe, or maybe not.   Maybe give it a whirl.   

 

To go try and mimic what COL did is pure fantasy unfortunately.  We won't draft a Makar and we don't already have a Rantanen in the pipe.   And if you look at what they actually did - they also brought in a second line center for Barrie who was pretty much QHs-lite at the time (although not light just short and stocky like his Dad lol).   So they also plugged a hole.    Think what happened with Rhino is close to Brock but we'd have to retain to make that deal.     We'd need an internal cap so retaining would help.  

 

Eventually this team will be back in rebuild mode.   But have serious doubts we get there until EP and QHs (if they are still around) are in their 30's.     Not sure we should either.    To me the only thing that will save current team is fixing the D and core ascension.    Needs to start with one trade.  Brock or Garland or Myers, maybe Horvat too.   EP looks like he's ready to play with the big boys. 

[Jester13]

I can picture the future tweet:

 

"Buyers!"

 

- Aquilini

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Jester13 said:

I can picture the future tweet:

 

"Buyers!"

 

- Aquilini

They likely will be, in a sense.  Most trades they make will probably be hockey trades, roster players (and salary) in and out 

[Warhippy]

16 hours ago, IBatch said:

We won't be drafting top five.   The only guys teams will want aside from Horvat are trade deadline types.   Garland and Brock ... well maybe one of them ... is that going to sink this ship?  Probably.    Poke a hole only if it's for futures.   The best way to tank is setting an internal cap.   We can't do that yet.   Horvat is the only real chip, at least for now.    Maybe if we retain on both Brock and Myers.   It's the only way i see that we could get there (with Horvat).    As long as Demko doesn't go back to what he was like last season.    Tanking will take some work anyways, to get to a top five pick. 

Pssshht no it won't.  We drafted Juolevi, and Pettersson at 5th and we were actually trying to win both years.  Imagine if we TRED to lose  

[IBatch]

5 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Pssshht no it won't.  We drafted Juolevi, and Pettersson at 5th and we were actually trying to win both years.  Imagine if we TRED to lose  

For sure not our teams best work.   I'm pretty tired of half measures too.   We either double down on what we have, re-sign Horvat, trade our first for a Miller but this time a defenseman Miller or just rip it up.   Clock is ticking.   Half measures don't get you places.   Committee's don't usually work either.   Too bad Quin wasn't in charge (and no ownership issues or salary spiking). 

Edited November 29, 2022 by IBatch

[Dazzle]

1 hour ago, IBatch said:

Duchene forced their hand  by asking out too.   Their  fans sure weren't happy about that.    Their budding young star ... point is they did go there but not right away either, and they also swapped for a need in Kadri, not really a rebuilding move.    We could try and do a COL style re-set but would have to use considerable assets to get out of certain deals to make it work.    Garland and Brock both essentially cap dumps ... not much coming back there.   Although if Brock starts scoring that could change (yes he's getting his points, that helps for sure).   There is a path where we could do this, but signing Miller kind of threw a wrench in it.   He'd be our Landsekog and OEL our Johnson (and it should have been Horvat).   Plus we'd have to pull the plug now or it's mute.   COL got like 45 points, over 20 below second place when they drafted Makar.   And lost the lottery lol.   So much went right for them it's not just planning it's luck.   But they did put themselves in that spot and you can't get lucky unless you do. 

 

Stewart said the Canucks aren't in a good position to rebuild and it's hard not to agree with that.   What we need now is a couple solid hockey trades to fix our D.   Nashville needs scoring.   Fabbro is just another Bear maybe, or maybe not.   Maybe give it a whirl.   

 

To go try and mimic what COL did is pure fantasy unfortunately.  We won't draft a Makar and we don't already have a Rantanen in the pipe.   And if you look at what they actually did - they also brought in a second line center for Barrie who was pretty much QHs-lite at the time (although not light just short and stocky like his Dad lol).   So they also plugged a hole.    Think what happened with Rhino is close to Brock but we'd have to retain to make that deal.     We'd need an internal cap so retaining would help.  

 

Eventually this team will be back in rebuild mode.   But have serious doubts we get there until EP and QHs (if they are still around) are in their 30's.     Not sure we should either.    To me the only thing that will save current team is fixing the D and core ascension.    Needs to start with one trade.  Brock or Garland or Myers, maybe Horvat too.   EP looks like he's ready to play with the big boys. 

I'm so glad that you pointed this out.

 

Not that long ago, COL's management under Sakic was viewed very poorly. They had been at or near the bottom for a long time and they didn't actually draft that well.

[EddieVedder]

They need to bring in a legit 3c and a legit top 2 or 3 dman.  If they can do that they can do some damage 

[IBatch]

10 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:

They need to bring in a legit 3c and a legit top 2 or 3 dman.  If they can do that they can do some damage 

Yes.  

[Kevin Biestra]

21 hours ago, IBatch said:

Depends on what you get for them.   Doesn't it?   Plus time rarely follows a hockey script anyways.   This years hero's often end up tomorrows wasted cap.     

 

Indeed.  Imagine what Serge Savard would have signed for after his one 20 goal 60 point year if it were today.  He was still a HOF defenseman but that was a complete anomaly in terms of offense.  Or what Dennis Maruk would have signed for after 136 points in 1982...to which everyone to day will say, "Who is Dennis Maruk?"  Still a heck of a player but his contract after that year would have tanked the Capitals.

 

Don't need to go back that far.  Friggin' Loui Eriksson.

 

What would Jonathan Cheechoo sign for right after leading the league in goals and how would that have panned out.  Or Rob Brown in 1989...he was traded and in the minors not long thereafter as the league concluded that Mario Lemieux had "Pavel Bure to Gino Odjicked" him to >100 points in the NHL.  Which wasn't really fair as he was a Crash Davis type scorer in the minor leagues year after year.

 

Bo might well be having his Rob Brown / Jonathan Cheechoo / Dennis Maruk year.  Or who knows...he could be having his Brad Marchand awakening.

[Baggins]

What they should do at the deadline is quite simple. If out or on the borderline attempt to move pending ufa's you don't intend to re-sign and look for hockey trades to improve the team that are not rentals. if in the playoff standings look for hockey trades excluding rentals or just stand pat. As we don't have much in the way of pending ufa's I don't expect a big deadline of wheeling and dealing.

[stawns]

1 hour ago, Baggins said:

What they should do at the deadline is quite simple. If out or on the borderline attempt to move pending ufa's you don't intend to re-sign and look for hockey trades to improve the team that are not rentals. if in the playoff standings look for hockey trades excluding rentals or just stand pat. As we don't have much in the way of pending ufa's I don't expect a big deadline of wheeling and dealing.

well some major moves are inevitable as they're not going to just let Bo and Kuz walk for nothing, so at least big moves will be made.........whether it's those two or not remains to be seen.  

[Gurn]

25 minutes ago, stawns said:

well some major moves are inevitable as they're not going to just let Bo and Kuz walk for nothing,

Hopefully not, but time will tell.

Tanev, Markstrom and Toffoli all walked for nothing.

New management here- same owner.

[Canucklehead73]

You don't rebuild with this core, might not have a McDavid, Crosby type of franchise forward, but we have some real good pieces.

 

Petterson, Horvat, Miller, Hughes, Demko and several other players that are putting up numbers, we have 5 almost 6 players at a PPG

 

Sure we have some cap problems with some over paid guys, but every team does and we should be grateful ownership pays to the cap...

 

If your a cagey GM you might play like you giving up in the hopes of moving a Pearson or a Myers and then making a splash for a real top 4 RHD

 

But this is team you need to build around not the other way around.... you would think we are a team of old washed up vets with the amount of pouting for a rebuild

[Bathgate]

On 11/28/2022 at 10:14 AM, stawns said:

They don't really have a choice.  Big moves, one way or another, have to be made.  They're not just letting Horvat and Kuz walk.

This team needs cap space. Would like too keep these players, but can't with cap space.

[Bathgate]

On 11/28/2022 at 10:27 AM, nuckin_futz said:

An entire rebuild of the team isn't needed. But an entire rebuild of the defence is. Trade some higher end forward pieces including Horvat if needed to do a major upgrade of the defence.

 

No idea what to do about the inconsistency though.

This was mismanagement last summer. Hovat would have been resigned last summer,not for his increased scoring ability, but need of high quality 2C.