granpappy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 shouldnt be anything less than a second if thats what we turned down last year apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 44 minutes ago, DeNiro said: 2nd or bust for me. I would be shocked if anyone gave up a 1st though. I could see a team planning to go deep in the playoffs, asthats essentially a high second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, stawns said: They need to fix right now first and worry about 5 years from now later on. Love how you convinced yourself prospects never pan out and if they do it's a minimum of 5 years Meanwhile the league is full of 21 yo kids who got paid post ELC already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: Love how you convinced yourself prospects never pan out and if they do it's a minimum of 5 years Meanwhile the league is full of 21 yo kids who got paid post ELC already First rounders, absolutely. I never argued that. Beyond that most picks never play an NHL game and most second rounders don't get to the NHL until 22-23ish.....the problem is people get fixated on the outliers rather than the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Coconuts said: I'd be a bit surprised if he didn't come back, he's been quite vocal about wanting to be here Would this not be the second time we would have done that to him? Or did he walk in free agency ? I can’t remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, BertaNuck said: Would this not be the second time we would have done that to him? Or did he walk in free agency ? I can’t remember First time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) We better sign him in the summer Edited February 14, 2023 by Mustard Tiger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolexSub Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I would much rather keep Schenn for the long haul and would only trade him if we know he will be signing with us again. His type of defensemen are rare to come by these days at a fraction of a cost too!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Package him and Garland up to the peg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 49 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: To Winnipeg Luke Schenn To Vancouver https://www.capfriendly.com/players/elias-salomonsson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I have to think you work with Schenn on this one. Give him a legitimate chance to win a cup again (and continue to grow leadership on a team which has it altogether) and play in a city he doesn't mind. I know it's all about what return we'd get but you have to factor on the return of him in the summer. If you send him somewhere he's not interested in, he's less likely to trust this organization enough to sign here again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boknows08 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 53 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: Package him and Garland up to the peg They are looking for top 6 help as well. Chevy was looking at Meier. Maybe if he’s too expensive then yeah Garland/Boeser and Schenn as a package. They have the cap space. Salomonsson would be nice as mentioned above. Wanted him at the draft if we had a 2nd. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, Boknows08 said: They are looking for top 6 help as well. Chevy was looking at Meier. Maybe if he’s too expensive then yeah Garland/Boeser and Schenn as a package. They have the cap space. Salomonsson would be nice as mentioned above. Wanted him at the draft if we had a 2nd. Jets would definitely like a guy like Garland who has term left on his contract. That’s like getting a high quality UFA to sign for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted February 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) I have been waiting to see what Schenn actually thinks about the situation. They showed his statement during the game about how tough it is with his wife about to give birth and having other kids to take care of as well. How it is literally keeping him up at night. I honestly say at this point you ask if anyone is willing to pony up a 1st, and put a deadline on it soon. If no one does, you extend him and then let him have personal leave for a couple weeks to take care of and enjoy his family. He is a guy you keep during a rebuild to me. A 2 year deal at $1.5 per and have him the “transition” captain. You don’t want to bury Hughes or Petterson under those expectations until you know more nights will be positive than negative when they have to stand in front of the press. Edited February 14, 2023 by Provost 2 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Why aren’t we talking about trading Bear instead? Neither is signed, both are cheap options for contending teams to add depth. A 2nd for Bear with 50% retained and we win the trade by getting more for him than we paid. I take Schenn over him any day on the 3rd pairing going forward, and neither of them should be playing higher than that honestly if you want to pretend to have a competitive team. Bear starts getting expensive when there isn’t salary retention and you have to give him his qualifying offer at least. Bear for $2.2-2.5 or Schenn for $1.5. I take the latter. We can always go find more 3rd pairing D easily enough. Find the next Bear for cheap who has been pushed out of his roster or fallen out of favour, pump and dump him too. Rinse repeat until you have enough assets for an actually top 4 guy. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 36 minutes ago, Provost said: Why aren’t we talking about trading Bear instead? Neither is signed, both are cheap options for contending teams to add depth. A 2nd for Bear with 50% retained and we win the trade by getting more for him than we paid. I take Schenn over him any day on the 3rd pairing going forward, and neither of them should be playing higher than that honestly if you want to pretend to have a competitive team. Bear starts getting expensive when there isn’t salary retention and you have to give him his qualifying offer at least. Bear for $2.2-2.5 or Schenn for $1.5. I take the latter. We can always go find more 3rd pairing D easily enough. Find the next Bear for cheap who has been pushed out of his roster or fallen out of favour, pump and dump him too. Rinse repeat until you have enough assets for an actually top 4 guy. I agree. I would have Schenn on the 3rd pairing and sign Livingstone to be the 7/8 guy for next year. I would try and trade Bear for a pick. If not, I would let him walk. Same with Dermott. These guys are all 3rd pairing Dmen which we can get at any time. Burroughs is a UFA so he'd be gone as well. I would go hard after Adam Boqvist. He could be our 2nd unit PP guy and eat minutes in the top 4 as well. He could be part of the young core. We would still need a top 4 Dman to play with Hughes. Not sure who that could be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Coconuts said: To Winnipeg Luke Schenn To Vancouver https://www.capfriendly.com/players/elias-salomonsson Another Elias? Oh God... Okay, I'm all in on this one... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: I agree. I would have Schenn on the 3rd pairing and sign Livingstone to be the 7/8 guy for next year. I would try and trade Bear for a pick. If not, I would let him walk. Same with Dermott. These guys are all 3rd pairing Dmen which we can get at any time. Burroughs is a UFA so he'd be gone as well. I would go hard after Adam Boqvist. He could be our 2nd unit PP guy and eat minutes in the top 4 as well. He could be part of the young core. We would still need a top 4 Dman to play with Hughes. Not sure who that could be. If they are able to sign Livingstone there is no way he can stay in Van as a 7/8 d-man. Schenn does not bring enough to the table, at 34, for him to be a 3RD on a consistent basis. Time for the org to move on here especially if they can get a pick for him. The d-side game is absolutely brutal. I can easily see only Hughes, OEL and Stillman returning. Yes, I say Stillman because I see improvements in his game. No guarantee but worth developing still. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Boudrias said: -man. Schenn does not bring enough to the table, at 34, for him to be a 3RD on a consistent basis. Time for the org to move on here especially if they can get a pick for him. The d-side game is absolutely brutal. I can easily see only Hughes, OEL and Stillman returning. Yes, I say Stillman because I see improvements in his game. No guarantee but worth developing still. Schenn is a fine 3RD. It's not just about scoring, he is a physical presence and brings the leadership intangibles that are needed with this team. He is a bit slow in defending against the rush but all defenders have their strengths and weaknesses. I think as long as Schenn is not asked to be a first pairing guy, which he has been at times, then he is a valuable player to have around. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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