[Proposal] Horvat to Colorado

[JohnTavares]

To COL:
Bo Horvat (50% Retained)
Kyle Burroughs

To VAN:
Sam Girard
Alex Newhook

Pretty self explanatory... Bo Horvat is the perfect #2C behind MacKinnon. Girard is a nice piece but he'll eventually need to be moved as Byram will has basically supplanted him. Newhook is a nice piece but the Avs are more likely interested in winning the cup versus trying to develop Newhook - he likely won't be a material/impact player for 3-4 years. This doesn't fit the Avs timeline. The package is quite large for a potential rental, but the Canucks retain half and add in Burroughs as an interim LD replacement if needed to offset.

Canucks, as reported, is not looking for prospects and wants to make a hockey deal. This is the perfect hockey deal for them. Newhook has potential to be a #2C behind Pettersson in the future, and Girard is likely the second best defenseman on the team after Hughes. Girard is only 24 - he still has a lot of years ahead of him on a decent, cost-controlled contract. This it the type of move that will help the Canucks accelerate their re-tool. Losing Horvat sucks but this team needs to take a few steps back in order to take steps forward.

Re: Contract Extension

I think this could work as a deal regardless if Bo has an extension in place. I think Sakic would be confident to get Bo on an extension with a discount. Bo clearly wants to win and Avs clearly have a a need for #2C - Horvat would be the perfect center to complement MacKinnon. The money saved from Girard (5) and Newhook (2/2.5?) next year is probably sufficient for Horvat's extension. 8 years for $7.5M per probably gets it done. And for people saying why would they give Horvat an extension when they wouldn't for Kadri, Horvat's extension kicks in when he's 28, whereas Kadri was 32 - that's a huge difference.

[qwijibo]

9 minutes ago, JohnTavares said:

To COL:
Bo Horvat (50% Retained)
Kyle Burroughs

To VAN:
Sam Girard
Alex Newhook

Pretty self explanatory... Bo Horvat is the perfect #2C behind MacKinnon. Girard is a nice piece but he'll eventually need to be moved as Byram will has basically supplanted him. Newhook is a nice piece but the Avs are more likely interested in winning the cup versus trying to develop Newhook - he likely won't be a material/impact player for 3-4 years. This doesn't fit the Avs timeline. The package is quite large for a potential rental, but the Canucks retain half and add in Burroughs as an interim LD replacement if needed to offset.

Canucks, as reported, is not looking for prospects and wants to make a hockey deal. This is the perfect hockey deal for them. Newhook has potential to be a #2C behind Pettersson in the future, and Girard is likely the second best defenseman on the team after Hughes. Girard is only 24 - he still has a lot of years ahead of him on a decent, cost-controlled contract. This it the type of move that will help the Canucks accelerate their re-tool. Losing Horvat sucks but this team needs to take a few steps back in order to take steps forward.

Re: Contract Extension

I think this could work as a deal regardless if Bo has an extension in place. I think Sakic would be confident to get Bo on an extension with a discount. Bo clearly wants to win and Avs clearly have a a need for #2C - Horvat would be the perfect center to complement MacKinnon. The money saved from Girard (5) and Newhook (2/2.5?) next year is probably sufficient for Horvat's extension. 8 years for $7.5M per probably gets it done. And for people saying why would they give Horvat an extension when they wouldn't for Kadri, Horvat's extension kicks in when he's 28, whereas Kadri was 32 - that's a huge difference.

Colorado couldn’t afford to pay Kadri $7m a season.  They’re not going to be able to extend Horvat 

[diesel_3]

 

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[Alflives]

If Bo goes to the Avs it’s Byram and Newhook coming back.  Girard is craperolla.  Not interested. 

[wildcam]

25 minutes ago, JohnTavares said:

To COL:
Bo Horvat (50% Retained)
Kyle Burroughs

To VAN:
Sam Girard
Alex Newhook

Pretty self explanatory... Bo Horvat is the perfect #2C behind MacKinnon. Girard is a nice piece but he'll eventually need to be moved as Byram will has basically supplanted him. Newhook is a nice piece but the Avs are more likely interested in winning the cup versus trying to develop Newhook - he likely won't be a material/impact player for 3-4 years. This doesn't fit the Avs timeline. The package is quite large for a potential rental, but the Canucks retain half and add in Burroughs as an interim LD replacement if needed to offset.

Canucks, as reported, is not looking for prospects and wants to make a hockey deal. This is the perfect hockey deal for them. Newhook has potential to be a #2C behind Pettersson in the future, and Girard is likely the second best defenseman on the team after Hughes. Girard is only 24 - he still has a lot of years ahead of him on a decent, cost-controlled contract. This it the type of move that will help the Canucks accelerate their re-tool. Losing Horvat sucks but this team needs to take a few steps back in order to take steps forward.

Re: Contract Extension

I think this could work as a deal regardless if Bo has an extension in place. I think Sakic would be confident to get Bo on an extension with a discount. Bo clearly wants to win and Avs clearly have a a need for #2C - Horvat would be the perfect center to complement MacKinnon. The money saved from Girard (5) and Newhook (2/2.5?) next year is probably sufficient for Horvat's extension. 8 years for $7.5M per probably gets it done. And for people saying why would they give Horvat an extension when they wouldn't for Kadri, Horvat's extension kicks in when he's 28, whereas Kadri was 32 - that's a huge difference.

 

I agree Colorado must win again now and next 2--3 years.. Horvat is a key player for a top team like Colorado..

 Newhook 22 -5'11 -- Girard 24 --5'10 --Olausson 19 - 6'1  blue chip prospect

Horvat -27  retain 1 million - Rathbone--  3rd rounder 2025 if Newhook  gets over 40 points in a season before 2025 draft

 

Also think Boston - there star centre men are both over 32.

Carolina - another good fit

[Sbriggs]

31 minutes ago, Alflives said:

If Bo goes to the Avs it’s Byram and Newhook coming back.  Girard is craperolla.  Not interested. 

Yup totally agree no Byram no Bo for Avs

[JohnTavares]

47 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Colorado couldn’t afford to pay Kadri $7m a season.  They’re not going to be able to extend Horvat 

Not a 1:1 comparison.

Kadri was 32 when he signed extension, Bo will be 28.

 

It's not that Colorado couldn't afford to pay Kadri, it's that they didn't want to.

 

There's a difference.

[JohnTavares]

14 minutes ago, Sbriggs said:

Yup totally agree no Byram no Bo for Avs

 

46 minutes ago, Alflives said:

If Bo goes to the Avs it’s Byram and Newhook coming back.  Girard is craperolla.  Not interested. 

And why would the Avs trade Byram for a rental? 

 

Y'all are funny - this isn't NHL 23.  If you guys want to live in your own world - go ahead.

Edited December 22, 2022 by JohnTavares

[Sbriggs]

2 minutes ago, JohnTavares said:

 

And why would the Avs trade Byram for a rental? 

 

Y'all are funny - this isn't NHL 23.  If you guys want to live in your own world - go ahead.

could be a sign and trade or Avs do an extension prior to trade, with Maker it may be hard for the Avs to sign Byram. And if you don't like our little world then F#$k Off, you don't need to be here

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, JohnTavares said:

 

And why would the Avs trade Byram for a rental? 

 

Y'all are funny - this isn't NHL 23.  If you guys want to live in your own world - go ahead.

Fortunately JR/Allvin aren’t morons.  They know that Girard is not helping us. 

So it’s Byram and Newhook or the Avs can pound sand and watch their one year window slam shut.  

[shiznak]

4 minutes ago, JohnTavares said:

Not a 1:1 comparison.

Kadri was 32 when he signed extension, Bo will be 28.

 

It's not that Colorado couldn't afford to pay Kadri, it's that they didn't want to.

 

There's a difference.

They also couldn’t afford Burakovsky at 5.5m.

 

If they trade for Bo. It’s strictly going to be a rental and a cap dump coming back our way.

[JohnTavares]

Just now, shiznak said:

They also couldn’t afford Burakovsky at 5.5m.

 

If they trade for Bo. It’s strictly going to be a rental and a cap dump coming back our way.

They choose Nichushkin over Burakovsky. They don't need another winger in Burakovsky... they already have Rantanen, Nuke, Lehkonen and Landeskog.

[shiznak]

8 minutes ago, JohnTavares said:

They choose Nichushkin over Burakovsky. They don't need another winger in Burakovsky... they already have Rantanen, Nuke, Lehkonen and Landeskog.

They have roughly 12m in cap space next season, with only 13 players signed. 
 

They can’t afford another 8m dollar player, especially when Toews’ current contract is about to expire. 

[JohnTavares]

24 minutes ago, shiznak said:

They have roughly 12m in cap space next season, with only 13 players signed. 
 

They can’t afford another 8m dollar player, especially when Toews’ current contract is about to expire. 

Girard and Newhook will cost about $7.5-8M.  Horvat's contract would net to roughly zero.

[Mustard Tiger]

1 hour ago, qwijibo said:

Colorado couldn’t afford to pay Kadri $7m a season.  They’re not going to be able to extend Horvat 

They will have like 16m in capspace. Easy if they wanted to

[Mustard Tiger]

1 hour ago, JohnTavares said:

To COL:
Bo Horvat (50% Retained)
Kyle Burroughs

To VAN:
Sam Girard
Alex Newhook

Pretty self explanatory... Bo Horvat is the perfect #2C behind MacKinnon. Girard is a nice piece but he'll eventually need to be moved as Byram will has basically supplanted him. Newhook is a nice piece but the Avs are more likely interested in winning the cup versus trying to develop Newhook - he likely won't be a material/impact player for 3-4 years. This doesn't fit the Avs timeline. The package is quite large for a potential rental, but the Canucks retain half and add in Burroughs as an interim LD replacement if needed to offset.

Canucks, as reported, is not looking for prospects and wants to make a hockey deal. This is the perfect hockey deal for them. Newhook has potential to be a #2C behind Pettersson in the future, and Girard is likely the second best defenseman on the team after Hughes. Girard is only 24 - he still has a lot of years ahead of him on a decent, cost-controlled contract. This it the type of move that will help the Canucks accelerate their re-tool. Losing Horvat sucks but this team needs to take a few steps back in order to take steps forward.

Re: Contract Extension

I think this could work as a deal regardless if Bo has an extension in place. I think Sakic would be confident to get Bo on an extension with a discount. Bo clearly wants to win and Avs clearly have a a need for #2C - Horvat would be the perfect center to complement MacKinnon. The money saved from Girard (5) and Newhook (2/2.5?) next year is probably sufficient for Horvat's extension. 8 years for $7.5M per probably gets it done. And for people saying why would they give Horvat an extension when they wouldn't for Kadri, Horvat's extension kicks in when he's 28, whereas Kadri was 32 - that's a huge difference.

+ 1st. TDL is where the contenders go crazy. Bo is going to be the top target with 50% retained 

[qwijibo]

2 hours ago, JohnTavares said:

Not a 1:1 comparison.

Kadri was 32 when he signed extension, Bo will be 28.

 

It's not that Colorado couldn't afford to pay Kadri, it's that they didn't want to.

 

There's a difference.

Kadri put up 87 points in his last year with Colorado.  They didn’t sign him because they couldn’t afford to sign him.  And yes. It’s different.  In that they wouldn’t have had to give up significant assets to have him on the roster.  If they make a move for Horvst it’ll be as a rental. And the price they’re will to pay will reflect that 

[flickyoursedin]

Newhook has been very bad at FO’s winning 31% this year. Looking like he’ll be a winger in the future which we have loads of! As for Girard he’s a good piece but a small LHD isn’t a need either. With Quinn Hughes already here and Rathbone potentially in the future I worry about getting too small! Really if Colorado wants Horvat I’d only listen if Byram is in the trade. He is another LHD but the potential is very exciting. If not then there’ll be other teams with prospects that play positions or pool is weak in.

[Rabbit]

If Bo need to trade before TDL, Canucks have more better choices in return.

[wai_lai416]

if we are taking a LHD.. i rather take the chance on byram with his injury history than another small LHD.. we already have one and don't need another.. byram would cost less on the cap.. byram would be the starting point with any negotiation with colorado.. newhook is not exciting and is struggling as a center.