DudePerfect Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Trade #1: VAN: Alexis Lafreniere Zac Jones NYR: Tanner Pearson (retain 30%) Jack Rathbone Aidan McDonough (*rights) To get Lafreniere, gotta give up value even though he is a healthy scratch for them. He brings a great amount of speed and skill that we sorely lack on the wings. Also, Jones can be a developmental transitional D who may need some time in the AHL, but instantly becomes someone with decent potential to crack our defense along with Filip Johansson (currently in SHL) next year. I don't mind giving up Rathbone and McDonough. Rathbone seems like he will end up a tweener between the AHL and NHL. If he does succeed, I don't think it will be here though because of us having Quinn. I think McDonough carries a lot of value as one of the top scorers in college hockey, but if we can turn that into Lafreniere, then Laf > McDonough. I threw in Pearson so that the Rangers could have another NHL body to replace Lafreniere or use Pearson lower in their lineup and his cap hit is lower than all the other players we have on the block (Garland, Boeser, etc.) Trade #2: VAN: Nikita Zaitsev 2023 2nd Round Pick OTT: J.T. Miller Saw this idea floating on Twitter, and I think its not bad at all. Dorion may be dumb enough to think that Miller could push Ottawa over the top while VAN takes on Zaitsev for this and next year. This could work if DeBrincat doesn't see a long term fit in Ottawa and Dorion looks for a backup plan. Trade #3: VAN: Tomas Tatar Michael Mcleod 2023 2nd Round Pick NJ: Brock Boeser Luke Schenn To acumulate as many assets, I think it would be best to put together Boeser and Schenn in a deal. Boeser has a little bit more value than Garland to me, so I think Boeser to NJ would make them even better with how good their team is. We would take back Tomas Tatar, just as an expiring deal. I would target Mcleod just for the fact that he is a right-handed C and could be a good fit to be a 3C on this team as an energy line and chip in on the PK. If everything worked out, the lines for the future would be: Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Mikheyev Lafreniere - Horvat - Podkolzin Hoglander - Mcleod - ?? (Lekkerimakki) Joshua - Aman - Studnicka More of a two-way persence along with more speed. This lineup would have a more direct style instead of east-west that we currently like to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) Interesting, but what indications are there our owner would allow any trades where futures are the key parts to the return? Edited January 2, 2023 by Alflives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, Alflives said: Interesting, but what indications are there our owner would allow any trades where futures are the key parts to the return? Exactly. Every indication over the past decade has supported only one end goal - Playoffs right now, at any cost. Since there's only been one single constant during that time - ownership - I think it's entirely safe to assume that's where this end goal comes from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 if that’s the best offer they get for Lafreniere they’ll just keep him. Yes. He’s been disappointing so far. But he’s still young and I don’t see the motivation for them to move him if that’s the kind of return they’ll get. They’re better off just hoping his development spikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 I think NYR are probably valuing Laff as 5-15th overall pick now, so maybe a 1st + player/prospect depending on where that first round pick lands. He's certainly not 1OA material anymore but he is still young and far from a bust - no one else from his draft class has really busted out (look at Byfield, and no one's calling him a bust?). Rathbone's value is probably a middle of the pack 2nd right now, he hasn't done enough to be counted as a 1st rounder. Realistically for the Canucks a deal would revolve around 1st + Pearson with a bit of cap retained and I wouldn't do that, I'd rather take our chances with a 1st in this upcoming draft, even if it's just 10th overall. Only way we make this trade without sending a first is perhaps Hoglander or Rathbone (both probably valued as 2nd) + a more decent player, but then we'd have to take cap back. I see Goodrow has a bit of a painful cap hit for a few years and isn't producing much so he'd most likely come back, and could perform as a 3C, so then we'd have to give up even more value. As for NJD, I wonder if there's any way in sweet hell they'd part with one of Luke Hughes or Nemec. They'll get to a point after their ELCs expire when surely they can't afford so many stars. You've got to think they're both rookies next year in and out of the AHL and NHL, then the subsequent year they're full time NHLers, so in 3 years time they're solid top-4 guys. They've got Seigenthaler and Bahl at LD for a long time. Obviously Hughes would probably be the best of the bunch apart from Nemec, but I wonder what they'd take for him. Boeser + 1st? Miller + 1st? I'd do either in a heart-beat for Hughes or Nemec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEGCanuck Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 I for one trade a draft pick, or Horvat or Schenn. Otherwise trade Miller to the first taker as long as we do not have to retain any salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Fanuck said: Exactly. Every indication over the past decade has supported only one end goal - Playoffs right now, at any cost. Since there's only been one single constant during that time - ownership - I think it's entirely safe to assume that's where this end goal comes from. The Canucks have had just 6 playoff games in their arena in the past decade. Bubble playoffs don't count. If ownership wants to the team to be a playoff team, they should change their method of reaching their goal. Repeating the same thing over and over and having the same results... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Repeating the same thing over and over and having the same results... Which is the exact reason it absolutely boggles the mind that they came into this season with the same defense and actually expected a different outcome? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 I've thought about some potential deals given the current environment. Here are a few that come to mind; I think Detroit might be a good fit for Boeser. 5 points out of a playoff spot but two games in hand. Injures to Zadina, Bertuzzi, and Fabbri - could use another forward up front. Have the cap space and some kinda bad contracts coming off next year. To Vancouver Zadina To Detrot Boeser Zadina has struggled so far in his career with only 25 goals in 169 points. That said he is a couple years younger and under contract for $1.8 million. Given the cap savings and youth a worthwhile gamble for two players who need a change of scenery. To Boston Bo Horvat Luke Schenn To Vancouver Brandon Carlo 1st round pick Brett Harrison/Mason Lorei Mike Reilly/Tomas Nosek Carlo becomes a building block alongside Quinn Hughs on the top pairing and is still young and cost controlled - Schenn going back the other way temporary fills the gap left by Carlo. 1st round pick + Harrison (centre) or Lorei (defense) are quality prospect pieces. Reilly/Nosek cap dumps to offset salaries. A LOT of talk around Boston interest in Horvat - could step in to replace Bergeron for the future. Moving Carlo and Reilly opens up some long term cap space. To Carolina JT Miller To Vancouver Teuvo Teravainen 2nd round pick Joey Keane Teravainen is struggling this year with 3 goals and 13 points in 27 games. JT Miller can fit under their cap long-term with Staal (and Teravainen) coming off the books. We clear up long-term cap and get some light futures. To New York Kuzmenko To Vancouver Lafreniere A lot of Laffy rumours - but NY has no cap space and no bad contracts to send back. Vesey is currently on their first line - I am sure the Rags would salivate having Kuzmenko and Panarin together - and it works from a cap perspective. I'd prefer to keep Kuzmenko if we can but if we can't move salary there is no way we can afford him. Not saying all these trades would happen but ones I can see would make sense for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 5 hours ago, DudePerfect said: Trade #1: VAN: Alexis Lafreniere Zac Jones NYR: Tanner Pearson (retain 30%) Jack Rathbone Aidan McDonough (*rights) To get Lafreniere, gotta give up value even though he is a healthy scratch for them. He brings a great amount of speed and skill that we sorely lack on the wings. Also, Jones can be a developmental transitional D who may need some time in the AHL, but instantly becomes someone with decent potential to crack our defense along with Filip Johansson (currently in SHL) next year. I don't mind giving up Rathbone and McDonough. Rathbone seems like he will end up a tweener between the AHL and NHL. If he does succeed, I don't think it will be here though because of us having Quinn. I think McDonough carries a lot of value as one of the top scorers in college hockey, but if we can turn that into Lafreniere, then Laf > McDonough. I threw in Pearson so that the Rangers could have another NHL body to replace Lafreniere or use Pearson lower in their lineup and his cap hit is lower than all the other players we have on the block (Garland, Boeser, etc.) Trade #2: VAN: Nikita Zaitsev 2023 2nd Round Pick OTT: J.T. Miller Saw this idea floating on Twitter, and I think its not bad at all. Dorion may be dumb enough to think that Miller could push Ottawa over the top while VAN takes on Zaitsev for this and next year. This could work if DeBrincat doesn't see a long term fit in Ottawa and Dorion looks for a backup plan. Trade #3: VAN: Tomas Tatar Michael Mcleod 2023 2nd Round Pick NJ: Brock Boeser Luke Schenn To acumulate as many assets, I think it would be best to put together Boeser and Schenn in a deal. Boeser has a little bit more value than Garland to me, so I think Boeser to NJ would make them even better with how good their team is. We would take back Tomas Tatar, just as an expiring deal. I would target Mcleod just for the fact that he is a right-handed C and could be a good fit to be a 3C on this team as an energy line and chip in on the PK. If everything worked out, the lines for the future would be: Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Mikheyev Lafreniere - Horvat - Podkolzin Hoglander - Mcleod - ?? (Lekkerimakki) Joshua - Aman - Studnicka More of a two-way persence along with more speed. This lineup would have a more direct style instead of east-west that we currently like to play. why did you keep the 4th the same? what if Bo does not sign? Hughes D? D? D? D? D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 40 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said: I've thought about some potential deals given the current environment. Here are a few that come to mind; I think Detroit might be a good fit for Boeser. 5 points out of a playoff spot but two games in hand. Injures to Zadina, Bertuzzi, and Fabbri - could use another forward up front. Have the cap space and some kinda bad contracts coming off next year. To Vancouver Zadina To Detrot Boeser Zadina has struggled so far in his career with only 25 goals in 169 points. That said he is a couple years younger and under contract for $1.8 million. Given the cap savings and youth a worthwhile gamble for two players who need a change of scenery. To Boston Bo Horvat Luke Schenn To Vancouver Brandon Carlo 1st round pick Brett Harrison/Mason Lorei Mike Reilly/Tomas Nosek Carlo becomes a building block alongside Quinn Hughs on the top pairing and is still young and cost controlled - Schenn going back the other way temporary fills the gap left by Carlo. 1st round pick + Harrison (centre) or Lorei (defense) are quality prospect pieces. Reilly/Nosek cap dumps to offset salaries. A LOT of talk around Boston interest in Horvat - could step in to replace Bergeron for the future. Moving Carlo and Reilly opens up some long term cap space. To Carolina JT Miller To Vancouver Teuvo Teravainen 2nd round pick Joey Keane Teravainen is struggling this year with 3 goals and 13 points in 27 games. JT Miller can fit under their cap long-term with Staal (and Teravainen) coming off the books. We clear up long-term cap and get some light futures. To New York Kuzmenko To Vancouver Lafreniere A lot of Laffy rumours - but NY has no cap space and no bad contracts to send back. Vesey is currently on their first line - I am sure the Rags would salivate having Kuzmenko and Panarin together - and it works from a cap perspective. I'd prefer to keep Kuzmenko if we can but if we can't move salary there is no way we can afford him. Not saying all these trades would happen but ones I can see would make sense for both teams. I have thought Bo would end up in Boston almost as long as he has been here He always plays a good game in Boston I wouldn't be surprised to see him there may as well get something for him before he signs there in the off season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, lmm said: I have thought Bo would end up in Boston almost as long as he has been here He always plays a good game in Boston I wouldn't be surprised to see him there may as well get something for him before he signs there in the off season Bo will sign with us, but it’s fun to speculate. Why not Ottawa? Closer to where Bo grew up, and can raise his kids in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Bo will sign with us, but it’s fun to speculate. Why not Ottawa? Closer to where Bo grew up, and can raise his kids in Canada. what makes yo think he will sign with us? he has had several very good games in Boston, if I recall correctly just a hunch but that is where I'd put money on him landing July 1st 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, lmm said: what makes yo think he will sign with us? he has had several very good games in Boston, if I recall correctly just a hunch but that is where I'd put money on him landing July 1st Aquilini will not let one of his core five get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 36 minutes ago, Alflives said: Aquilini will not let one of his core five get away. I hear the mafia in Boston is Irish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 37 minutes ago, Alflives said: Aquilini will not let one of his core five get away. Who are the core five? Bo, JT, Demko, Petey, Hughes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rabbit said: Who are the core five? Bo, JT, Demko, Petey, Hughes? BO, Petey, Demko, Hughes, Schenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 6 hours ago, DudePerfect said: Trade #1: VAN: Alexis Lafreniere Zac Jones NYR: Tanner Pearson (retain 30%) Jack Rathbone Aidan McDonough (*rights) To get Lafreniere, gotta give up value even though he is a healthy scratch for them. He brings a great amount of speed and skill that we sorely lack on the wings. Also, Jones can be a developmental transitional D who may need some time in the AHL, but instantly becomes someone with decent potential to crack our defense along with Filip Johansson (currently in SHL) next year. I don't mind giving up Rathbone and McDonough. Rathbone seems like he will end up a tweener between the AHL and NHL. If he does succeed, I don't think it will be here though because of us having Quinn. I think McDonough carries a lot of value as one of the top scorers in college hockey, but if we can turn that into Lafreniere, then Laf > McDonough. I threw in Pearson so that the Rangers could have another NHL body to replace Lafreniere or use Pearson lower in their lineup and his cap hit is lower than all the other players we have on the block (Garland, Boeser, etc.) Trade #2: VAN: Nikita Zaitsev 2023 2nd Round Pick OTT: J.T. Miller Saw this idea floating on Twitter, and I think its not bad at all. Dorion may be dumb enough to think that Miller could push Ottawa over the top while VAN takes on Zaitsev for this and next year. This could work if DeBrincat doesn't see a long term fit in Ottawa and Dorion looks for a backup plan. Trade #3: VAN: Tomas Tatar Michael Mcleod 2023 2nd Round Pick NJ: Brock Boeser Luke Schenn To acumulate as many assets, I think it would be best to put together Boeser and Schenn in a deal. Boeser has a little bit more value than Garland to me, so I think Boeser to NJ would make them even better with how good their team is. We would take back Tomas Tatar, just as an expiring deal. I would target Mcleod just for the fact that he is a right-handed C and could be a good fit to be a 3C on this team as an energy line and chip in on the PK. If everything worked out, the lines for the future would be: Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Mikheyev Lafreniere - Horvat - Podkolzin Hoglander - Mcleod - ?? (Lekkerimakki) Joshua - Aman - Studnicka More of a two-way persence along with more speed. This lineup would have a more direct style instead of east-west that we currently like to play. Why would Rangers take Canucks Pearson, Rathbone won't make top 7 ??( McDonough prospect?? Never would Rangers make this trade.. Lafreniere has potential to be a top winger only 21?He needs a new home.. Would cost Vancouver much more... Podkolzin - Rathbone - 3rd rounder 2024 -------- Lafreniere 21 --Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now