RU SERIOUS Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Jim Rutherford: "The changes we need to make are not with the core players, but with the other players on the team." Holy Smokes! Is he talking about the same group of core players that have been failing together for a half decade or some other core we don't know about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Kuzy said: Can't imagine the implications of healthy scratching a 7 million dollar player for 4 years straight. Still better than crippling the franchise for a decade because management is stupid enough to buy him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I appreciate JR being humbled and admitting he hasn't done a good job so far. It has to be terribly difficult to make trades these days where both teams come out with what they want. It's easy to say "trade Myers". To who? What GM is licking his chops give up assets to pay Myers $6 million? This whole thing is going to take TIME and patience, lots of it. There is a huge mess to sort out and unfortunately, some contracts have to expire, some have to be bought out, and some trades will happen. I'm glad that JR realizes the Canucks aren't a playoff team and it sounds like Horvat wants too much money, so he'll be traded. I actually have a glimmer of hope. Maybe they're finally preparing to get off the hamster wheel. Agree. Have to give him credit for publicly admitting that. This fanbase needs honesty from management rather than spin. People don't hav to like what he says but at least if he's honest that builds some trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 No Trades? Then nothing has changed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, Jaimito said: Bo isn't coming back by JR's comments. Been saying it for months; Bo needs to take a haircut if he wants to stay; Kuz too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Hey, look, it's that "retool" word again. I thought JR was supposed to be a breath of fresh air, hey, CDC? Why, as a fanbase, did we allow ourselves to be so blinded by the small picture while ignoring the big picture stuff? We ALL loved what Gillis did for the Canucks in the short term. However, as time goes by, we seem to deliberately ignore the massive failure in development of him. Similarly, JR re-signed Miller. He brought us back INTO this cap situation. There was no obvious plan to fail, and even today, they refuse to do a rebuild. Rebuilding is not about telling players not to play hard. That's not what professionals do. However, teams like Anaheim, Chicago and Arizona have prepared themselves for this year's draft. Chicago still tries to win - it's just that their roster is gutted lol. Whoever is running this team, whether it's ownership or management, is a moron. If it's management, then they ALL deserve the blame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alt kilgore Posted January 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2023 I am seeing this delayed reaction on here by some. We needed a rebuild in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, even 2021. But in diminishing return for what we had, as those years went by. Because during that time we inevitably landed some good higher draft prospects, even though a couple were disasters and we traded away more than we should have. A goalie was one of the gems we found. Which is very important. And so as those years went by, it became more and more of a possibility to use the core we had developed, almost accidentally, and tool around them. That throwing the babies out with the bathwater was getting more difficult as the years went by. To the point that now its tipped over to where it makes more sense to try and see if retooling around our core will get us to, maybe not a top tier contending team, but a second tier one, that at least has a shot. And to me, for how long I've waited as a fan, that is fine by me. Success breeds success, no matter how you get there. Today, we have gone past the point of rebuilding. I mean, its never past that point in reality. Any team could start one anytime, but its about how prudent is it now in this moment. Years...a decade even....past the point of optimum prime time to rebuild. We are not the same team as in 2014. We have a younger core just entering their prime years. Including probably the best young D we have ever had, and a potential superstar at center who's only getting better. Would a major strip down rebuild work? A good chance it would. For any team. Not garanteed though for many years. Success would have to happen with different young stars, still to be drafted. With the core players we have now half gone, and half starting to decline. Maybe watching Petey play for another team. Do you want that? I'm not sure a lot of fans really understand what they think they want. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I get the anger and impatience, but demanding a rebuild before this new management has more of an opportunity to salvage what we have is a mistake IMO. I'm with JR ......for now. I gave Bumbling Benning at least 3 years. 1 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said: Re tool.... young nhl players not draft picks..... keeping core players and trading other players..... Did I go back in time? I'll take guys like mavrik bourque and Elias salomannson back ( 19-21 ) ready to take the next step but we better not be looking at the mid 20 year olds. I really don't understand why our management cries about the money issue but actively tries to avoid the cost effective route... Kids on ELCs lol. They would rather gamble with mid 20 year olds on 3x3 bridges and try to develop them while playing in the NHL... After being a failed prospect on another team for years already. Sounds like the biggest bone head move you could make lmao! At the very least the picks and prospects along with cap space all have waaaay more trade value than anything atm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Goal:thecup said: Been saying it for months; Bo needs to take a haircut if he wants to stay; Kuz too. Bo has short hair. But Kuz can really use a haircut. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted January 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 100% agreed with Donny. This should be 100% about Gino today and not Rutherford assuaging his gd ego His treatment of Boudreau by looking for replacements and effectively relieving the best special teams and defensive coaching aspects of his staff then blaming him for the issues with the team. His comments about retooling and now his attention seeking presser on this of all days, a day after legend Odjick passes is honestly such a slap in the face. Edited January 16, 2023 by Warhippy 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) Statement #1: Jim Rutherford says when he arrived, he believed the team would need minor surgery (in terms of changes to the roster). He now says he believes they need major surgery. Statement #2: The changes we need to make are not with the core players, but with the other players on the team Which is it Jim ? (P.S. : I Think we all know the answer) Edited January 16, 2023 by RU SERIOUS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, kilgore said: I am seeing this delayed reaction on here by some. We needed a rebuild in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, even 2021. But in diminishing return for what we had, as those years went by. Because during that time we inevitably landed some good higher draft prospects, even though a couple were disasters and we traded away more than we should have. A goalie was one of the gems we found. Which is very important. And so as those years went by, it became more and more of a possibility to use the core we had developed, almost accidentally, and tool around them. That throwing the babies out with the bathwater was getting more difficult as the years went by. To the point that now its tipped over to where it makes more sense to try and see if retooling around our core will get us to, maybe not a top tier contending team, but a second tier one, that at least has a shot. And to me, for how long I've waited as a fan, that is fine by me. Success breeds success, no matter how you get there. Today, we have gone past the point of rebuilding. I mean, its never past that point in reality. Any team could start one anytime, but its about how prudent is it now in this moment. Years...a decade even....past the point of optimum prime time to rebuild. We are not the same team as in 2014. We have a younger core just entering their prime years. Including probably the best young D we have ever had, and a potential superstar at center who's only getting better. Would a major strip down rebuild work? A good chance it would. For any team. Not garanteed though for many years. Success would have to happen with different young stars, still to be drafted. With the core players we have now half gone, and half starting to decline. Maybe watching Petey play for another team. Do you want that? I'm not sure a lot of fans really understand what they think they want. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I get the anger and impatience, but demanding a rebuild before this new management has more of an opportunity to salvage what we have is a mistake IMO. I'm with JR ......for now. I gave Bumbling Benning at least 3 years. Here's what JR failed to do in a short period of time. Refused to trade Miller and re-signed him when he SHOULD have been traded. Did nothing in the first TDL. Overspent the cap during FA, which included re-signing Miller No plan to fail, also no cap space to improve That's a LOT of failures in a very truncated period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, kilgore said: I am seeing this delayed reaction on here by some. We needed a rebuild in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, even 2021. But in diminishing return for what we had, as those years went by. Because during that time we inevitably landed some good higher draft prospects, even though a couple were disasters and we traded away more than we should have. A goalie was one of the gems we found. Which is very important. And so as those years went by, it became more and more of a possibility to use the core we had developed, almost accidentally, and tool around them. That throwing the babies out with the bathwater was getting more difficult as the years went by. To the point that now its tipped over to where it makes more sense to try and see if retooling around our core will get us to, maybe not a top tier contending team, but a second tier one, that at least has a shot. And to me, for how long I've waited as a fan, that is fine by me. Success breeds success, no matter how you get there. Today, we have gone past the point of rebuilding. I mean, its never past that point in reality. Any team could start one anytime, but its about how prudent is it now in this moment. Years...a decade even....past the point of optimum prime time to rebuild. We are not the same team as in 2014. We have a younger core just entering their prime years. Including probably the best young D we have ever had, and a potential superstar at center who's only getting better. Would a major strip down rebuild work? A good chance it would. For any team. Not garanteed though for many years. Success would have to happen with different young stars, still to be drafted. With the core players we have now half gone, and half starting to decline. Maybe watching Petey play for another team. Do you want that? I'm not sure a lot of fans really understand what they think they want. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I get the anger and impatience, but demanding a rebuild before this new management has more of an opportunity to salvage what we have is a mistake IMO. I'm with JR ......for now. I gave Bumbling Benning at least 3 years. Yeah, they drafted EP, QH, Demko, BB, Podz and Hogs from poor results in regular season. Missed on JV and OJ, got rid of McCann too early. BB is not playing up to his potential so he might be moved first. But unless you want to get rid of them all, it can't be a full rebuild. Retool is the way to go at this point. JR did say that some of the core may need to be changed, so retool is the right term to use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kodos Posted January 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2023 This interview has pretty much sealed the deal for me. I just do not care anymore. Can’t invest any more energy into watching this team spin their wheels. Wake me up when Aqua is gone. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Which idiot are you talking about? Throw a dart and you'll hit one in this group 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jaimito Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: Statement #1: Jim Rutherford says when he arrived, he believed the team would need minor surgery (in terms of changes to the roster). He now says he believes they need major surgery. Statement #2: The changes we need to make are not with the core players, but with the other players on the team Which is it Jim ? (P.S. : I Think we all know the answer) I will listen to the recording again once it is posted. He did walk back on #2, and said some of the core may need to be changed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Jim Rutherford: "We’re not moving toward a rebuild, I prefer the term retool" OH NO ! (Where have we heard this before?) + + = 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Rutherford is such a tool... for ownership. Retooling again?? Oh my god. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, Dazzle said: Rutherford is such a tool... for ownership. Retooling again?? Oh my god. That's unfair. Tools at least have some use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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