Get Drance some crow

[88Canuck]

2 hours ago, Timråfan said:

I’m not sure why you bring up earlier years.

This is a new management. This isn’t Benning trying a one man show bullying people.

A lot of changes have already happened and a new direction is set.

 

Some points to clarify. I could have written more but these are game changers.

 

After Marky left we only had one goalie that could save us. That is too much pressure on Demko. Now we have Silovs that can bring some relief.

 

With Hronek we can attack from both left and right. As you probably seen we go on the left side almost every time.

Tocchet get variation and as with Demko, Hughes get a RHD that can take some tough minutes from him.

 

PA has brought in a bunch of interesting players, most with speed.

That means we now have around 15 players fighting for 6 -9 roster spots.

Competition that we haven seen as long as I’ve been here plus that Abbotsford and the Canucks are aligned in good way.

 

Now we can miss a few players including Petey or Hughes and still win games.

That was very hard before during the doom and gloom years that you’re still affected by.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For sure! I won’t dig into it too much, but just because management in the past failed to build around the core (fill out the team), doesn’t mean it can’t be done and be successful. 
 

Also, people saying the core hasn’t accomplished anything need to realize it’s a team game and they can’t do it themselves even though they are the biggest part of it. 
 

The core is growing (look at just Petey & Hughes this year) and are on another level yet compared to the past. Then, there’s the other great core players. Plus, the pieces this management has started to surround them with / build out the team with. I just don’t think you can compare what they were doing in the past with what they are doing now. 
 

There’s a little ways to go with building the roster / addressing the cap etc, but I think the path being walked now is different to the path being walked in the past, so to say it’s the same and won’t succeed isn’t fair. Let just see where it goes the next while. 

Edited March 5, 2023 by 88Canuck

[grandmaster]

Vancouver sports media has always been full of antagonistic commentators. Drance is the absolute worst. His delivery is akin to a 6 year old having a tantrum and his view has always been negative. It’s fine to have different views but he doesn’t truly know what goes on behind the scenes. He has a dark cloud narrative and never alters it. Makes listening to him very cringeworthy and makes you want to punch him in the face.

 

Edited March 5, 2023 by grandmaster

[86Viking]

18 hours ago, Coconuts said:

Go for it? Won't change anything though, he's going to keep doing what pays his bills. 

This...people love to blast mediea people like Drance, but you do all realize he does this because it draws attention to his work and people listen to him. He is over the top no doubt but we have sucked for 10 years and trading so many 1st and 2nd round picks while being a bottom feeder team has been done by how many NHL teams exactly...........................

 

What I don't get about all you whiners is this...if you don't like a media personality why read their work or listen to them, you can simply CHOOSE NOT to listen or read his work...that doesn't affect you by avoiding it but it would affect Drance in this instance. He is who he is and gets paid to talk about the Canucks, 99.9% of people on here do NOT get paid to talke about the Canucks and you freely use your free time to post on this site AND watch the Canucks and listen to any radio/podcast/online articles about the team. Don't like certain peoples opinions, just fukking stop listening or reading to those PAID media peoples work, it is that fukking simple people!

 

But let's keep whining and bitching...I don't agree with Drance and he is over the top but it is comical and I think he makes himself look like an idiot and he may be out of work at some point if not he is carving out his own niche to pay the bills...can't blame a guy for doing his thing to put food in his belly and a roof over his head.

[awalk]

[Timråfan]

15 minutes ago, awalk said:

How good was he last year? Amazing. 

Where'd we finish? Exactly.

 

Keep huffing that hopium. I hope it ends up being true.

Well, we lost 8 points while he was injured last season and missed playoff by five points.

Petey was injured a lot of games from the start.

Do the math.

 

This season Demko wasn’t himself so he played with an injurie.

 

Do the math again.

[awalk]

4 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

Well, we lost 8 points while he was injured last season and missed playoff by five points.

Petey was injured a lot of games from the start.

Do the math.

 

This season Demko wasn’t himself so he played with an injurie.

 

Do the math again.

There is no math to do. It's all ifs and hopes and maybes.

 

Like I said, I hope your hopeful speculation that we'll be good next year is true. I am not gonna be fooled by a late season run, winning meaningless games.

[Timråfan]

12 minutes ago, Neutral said:

This...people love to blast mediea people like Drance, but you do all realize he does this because it draws attention to his work and people listen to him. He is over the top no doubt but we have sucked for 10 years and trading so many 1st and 2nd round picks while being a bottom feeder team has been done by how many NHL teams exactly...........................

 

What I don't get about all you whiners is this...if you don't like a media personality why read their work or listen to them, you can simply CHOOSE NOT to listen or read his work...that doesn't affect you by avoiding it but it would affect Drance in this instance. He is who he is and gets paid to talk about the Canucks, 99.9% of people on here do NOT get paid to talke about the Canucks and you freely use your free time to post on this site AND watch the Canucks and listen to any radio/podcast/online articles about the team. Don't like certain peoples opinions, just fukking stop listening or reading to those PAID media peoples work, it is that fukking simple people!

 

But let's keep whining and bitching...I don't agree with Drance and he is over the top but it is comical and I think he makes himself look like an idiot and he may be out of work at some point if not he is carving out his own niche to pay the bills...can't blame a guy for doing his thing to put food in his belly and a roof over his head.

Haven’t you seen all the illogical reasoning on this forum?

That seems to start with Drance take on what happens with the club.

Par example he says the club haven’t got a chance to reach playoff next year.

The primary reason I believe he will eat a large crow next year cause this team is bound for playoff next season.

 

If we don’t discuss media that behaves like that we can’t get a healthy discussion online.

Journalists are supposed to be intelligent and see that PA isn’t Benning and that PA have done completely different actions than Benning did.

 

Think about it.

Do you want a forum of illogical claims all over the place?

I’ve seen a lot this draft.

An LHD compared to an RHD etc…

 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

27 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

Well, we lost 8 points while he was injured last season and missed playoff by five points.

Petey was injured a lot of games from the start.

Do the math.

 

This season Demko wasn’t himself so he played with an injurie.

 

Do the math again.

Him being coached by a minor league coach (where Green should be) didn't help either.  

[Timråfan]

52 minutes ago, 88Canuck said:

For sure! I won’t dig into it too much, but just because management in the past failed to build around the core (fill out the team), doesn’t mean it can’t be done and be successful. 
 

Also, people saying the core hasn’t accomplished anything need to realize it’s a team game and they can’t do it themselves even though they are the biggest part of it. 
 

The core is growing (look at just Petey & Hughes this year) and are on another level yet compared to the past. Then, there’s the other great core players. Plus, the pieces this management has started to surround them with / build out the team with. I just don’t think you can compare what they were doing in the past with what they are doing now. 
 

There’s a little ways to go with building the roster / addressing the cap etc, but I think the path being walked now is different to the path being walked in the past, so to say it’s the same and won’t succeed isn’t fair. Let just see where it goes the next while. 

Yeah, Petey and Hughes are much better on the defensive side nowadays.

The path is completely different. 

[thrago]

Well, it's possible that if we make the playoffs next year, we will be far from contending for the Cup and even farther away when we need to give Hronek a raise that will likely double his salary.  Buying 1.2 years of cost control on an RHD due a big raise makes zero sense given our current position unless they have a plan they can actually implement that includes a lot more changes, otherwise, PA has just lengthened time to make us truly competitive.  This deal would make a lot of sense if Hronek was signed for another 3-5 years but he is not.

 

I don't understand the people who think this team can ever compete when all we ever do is give raises to the same cast of characters.  Myers is going to come off the books and EP and Hronek will eat up the Cap space, then what? What's more likely? Hronek makes us a contender or he makes us slightly better while continuing to make our Cap situation worse?

[Rocket-68]

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[Alflives]

11 minutes ago, thrago said:

Well, it's possible that if we make the playoffs next year, we will be far from contending for the Cup and even farther away when we need to give Hronek a raise that will likely double his salary.  Buying 1.2 years of cost control on an RHD due a big raise makes zero sense given our current position unless they have a plan they can actually implement that includes a lot more changes, otherwise, PA has just lengthened time to make us truly competitive.  This deal would make a lot of sense if Hronek was signed for another 3-5 years but he is not.

 

I don't understand the people who think this team can ever compete when all we ever do is give raises to the same cast of characters.  Myers is going to come off the books and EP and Hronek will eat up the Cap space, then what? What's more likely? Hronek makes us a contender or he makes us slightly better while continuing to make our Cap situation worse?

We got rid of Bo before his demanded gross overpay raise. We used part of the return (from the Bo dumperoo) to get a 25 year old, high end, super good, right shot D. Hronek’s next contract will be around 7 per. (Summer 2024, when Myers is for sure off our books) So not double and still a lot less than Bo just got from the Islanders. 

We now have Hughes to carry our top pair, which he’s proven to do great.

And we have Hronek to carry our second pair, which he’s proven to do great.

And they are both young and have 7-10 years of great play left. 

 

Or do we keep that first (looking to be 17-22) and hope to draft snd develop a guy who turns into Hronek in five years? 

 

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, Timråfan said:

Well, we lost 8 points while he was injured last season and missed playoff by five points.

Petey was injured a lot of games from the start.

Do the math.

 

This season Demko wasn’t himself so he played with an injurie.

 

Do the math again.

Yup. Having Demko, Petey, Hughes, Miller, and Hronek to build around is an excellent foundation. And we have some excellent supporting pieces now too. Kuz Missile, Mikheyev, Podzilla, Aman. Still lots of pieces need to be added, but the key ones we now have. And these pieces are all young!  Only Miller is older (29) 

[Eddie]

19 hours ago, MattWN. said:

That's all fair, but really...

You'd struggle to find enough positive stories to make a living.

This year we had an insane amount of drama surrounding the team, almost all of which was negative.

I'd be interested to see what sort of positive articles you would write about a basement team with a rather bleak short term view.

Yeah, i do agree. My objections to Drance and the other clown shoe media isn't that they don't write Positive articles in a negative time, its that they put a negative spin on everything and represent opinion or hindsight as fact or proof of position. 

 

The Canucks absolutely deserve to be torn to shreds for many things such as the way the Bruce firing happened, the 'We Ran out of time' signing debacle, the Rachel Dorrie mess etc there are plenty. I've loved this team for 20 years and I have to say I really did feel like they were the worse franchise in pro sports this year... 

 

My bigger problem with Drance etc, is that their negativity extends way beyond panning the obvious mistakes that deserve to be condemned.  Take the Hronic situation - Nobody on this planet knows how that trade is going to work out.  Hronic is a top 10% D in the league this year in WAR - he's on a good contract, he fits the team identity he could be great Or he could be the Louis Erikkson of D.  We could have also kept the Draft picks, and used them to Draft, another Juolivi, Virtanen, well pretty much any draft pick of the last 10 years not named Petey, Demmer, Hughes.  It's a 'religious debate' that we happily have on here, which is fine as both sides are somewhat equally represented. 

 

However, when it's done by all members of the leading specialist press - where negative rhetoric is theatrically passed off as fact in a rant akin to a 6-year-olds tantrum, it creates this massive negative momentum of doom scrollers, trolls etc or is just a massive turn off for everyone that wants to enjoy the ups and downs of sports fandom. There are no ups with this press - every single talking point is always shaped into a 'Here is why the franchise is terrible again' 

 

Now my own opinion also is that has an effect on the team and performance.  'Mentally Fragile' was a word used many times to describe this team, which SHOULD be doing a lot better than it is in many ways. A team that chokes, gives up leads late, doesn't look like they believe they can win, has a terrible home record for the past few years, some key players having massive and random swings in form.  A crowd that gets on their back the first sign of weakness, players getting booed and heckled.  

Its just a feeling but I've never worked with or known successful people that haven't cultivated a positive mind set and environment in which to perform.  Not saying the awful state of the on ice product is the soul fault of the press and how the fans react to it, but that it is, like every other aspect of this club right now, something that needs to improve if we want to become a winning franchise again IMO. 

Finally, to add I acknowledge that the Drance-type brand has a place, as some people do find that entertaining, I don't understand it, but fair enough. The problem is our specialist press has nothing but Drances and it seems to have to become a competition now to see which one of these morons can be the loudest, most negative, hyperbolic mouth breather out there. 

[Goal:thecup]

2 hours ago, Neutral said:

This...people love to blast mediea people like Drance, but you do all realize he does this because it draws attention to his work and people listen to him. He is over the top no doubt but we have sucked for 10 years and trading so many 1st and 2nd round picks while being a bottom feeder team has been done by how many NHL teams exactly...........................

 

What I don't get about all you whiners is this...if you don't like a media personality why read their work or listen to them, you can simply CHOOSE NOT to listen or read his work...that doesn't affect you by avoiding it but it would affect Drance in this instance. He is who he is and gets paid to talk about the Canucks, 99.9% of people on here do NOT get paid to talke about the Canucks and you freely use your free time to post on this site AND watch the Canucks and listen to any radio/podcast/online articles about the team. Don't like certain peoples opinions, just fukking stop listening or reading to those PAID media peoples work, it is that fukking simple people!

 

But let's keep whining and bitching...I don't agree with Drance and he is over the top but it is comical and I think he makes himself look like an idiot and he may be out of work at some point if not he is carving out his own niche to pay the bills...can't blame a guy for doing his thing to put food in his belly and a roof over his head.

Well, the Canucks organization, through Vintage Canuck posts Drance's twits, and none of us (in our right minds that is) is going to put VC on Ignore.

 

[BlakeQuinnAndEggs]

I can't stand Thomas Drance. 

[Alflives]

Just now, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:

I can't stand Thomas Drance. 

I don’t mind Drance. He’s definitely a fan of our team and just wants us to build a long term winner. I disagree with his idea that getting Hronek isn’t a long term plan though. Hronek just turned 25 a few months ago. He’s going to anchor our second pair for the next 7-10 years. That’s long term planning IMHAO. 

[thrago]

23 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We got rid of Bo before his demanded gross overpay raise. We used part of the return (from the Bo dumperoo) to get a 25 year old, high end, super good, right shot D. Hronek’s next contract will be around 7 per. (Summer 2024, when Myers is for sure off our books) So not double and still a lot less than Bo just got from the Islanders. 

We now have Hughes to carry our top pair, which he’s proven to do great.

And we have Hronek to carry our second pair, which he’s proven to do great.

And they are both young and have 7-10 years of great play left. 

 

Or do we keep that first (looking to be 17-22) and hope to draft snd develop a guy who turns into Hronek in five years? 

 

They only traded Horvat because they couldn't sign him if they had the money they would, but all they have done now is punt the problem one year down the road,  Hronek might and probably will outperform his contract next year but he will be hard pressed to outperform his next one as will EP.  If you want to win a CUP you need to have contracts that outperform their cost and the easiest way to do that is to have a steady stream of players on entry-level contracts.  But the Canucks management always thinks it's special and can skip that step.  

 

The biggest problem Canuck management has is they can't wrap their heads around the Salary cap.  They simply don't understand how it works and constantly back themselves in a corner, they are like children that don't understand that if they want this expensive toy for their birthday that means they can't get a bunch of other presents too. It's maddening, the sheer incompetence of it all.  These guys talk like they understand the cap, but they don't plain and simple.

[Baratheon]

Imagine an all time dream panel of Dave Pratt, Neil Macrae, Thomas Drance and Dan Russell.  Just shredding everything right down to individual players facial hair.  “This team is never going anywhere as long as they don’t have a handlebar moustache on the team!”

[brownky]

36 minutes ago, Baratheon said:

Imagine an all time dream panel of Dave Pratt, Neil Macrae, Thomas Drance and Dan Russell.  Just shredding everything right down to individual players facial hair.  “This team is never going anywhere as long as they don’t have a handlebar moustache on the team!”

Don't you put that evil on me.