grumpyone Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said: Who is in net no Who is on first. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted March 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: That's just it. People talk about a rebuild like a magic pill that you take and then automatically become a Stanley Cup contender. The odds of a failed rebuild are never taken into consideration. Asking for a rebuild also absolves you of any chance of criticism. There has never been anyone that's asked for a rebuild and had to answer for it. Zero expectations come with the rebuild and end up being a safe space for fans and media members. I'm on Team Tank for the remainder of the year, but we should absolutely aim for playoffs next year. Dallas in an interesting team. They are a top 6 team in the NHL and are truly a Stanley Cup contender this year. Here are their core players: Jake Oettinger - 26th overall Miro Heiskanen - 3rd overall Tyler Sequin - trade Jamie Benn - 129th overall Jason Robertson - 39th overall Mason Marchment - trade Roope Hintz - 49th overall Wyatt Johnston - 23rd overall Esa Lindell - 24th overall Nils Lundkvist - trade The only top 10 pick on their entire roster that they drafted is Miro Heiskanen. Their 2nd and 3rd best players were drafted in the 2nd round. No wonder Gagliardi doesn't believe in a rebuild. His team is a good example of building through proper drafting after the 1st round and some trades and free agent signings. The Canucks already have TWO players drafted in the top 10 picks. So we are already ahead of Dallas in that regard. We got our goalie pretty much in the same area of the draft that they did. We got some other pieces via trade. We have our veteran players as well. Our team isn't much different than Dallas right now. We are just missing a few pieces and need to unload some cap. Most of the cap we need to unload is from the prior regime, so it will take some time to do that. OEL, Myers, Garland, Pearson, Poolman. These contracts were inherited by the current regime, so they need to figure out how to move that money out to get the final missing pieces... Edited March 14, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyone Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Happy Pi day everyone 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: I guess we should distinguish between a long term rebuild and a shorter one. To me, Buffalo is the perfect example of a failed rebuild. Anaheim was hoping to make the playoffs already and theirs isn't going as well as people would want. LA has executed a very good short term rebuild. Colorado didn't strip their team down to the studs and bottom out for 5 years. Lots of nuances to this discussion. And poorly defined nomenclature just makes it more confusing everyone defines retools and rebuild differently. ‘Think we have done good job adding pieces but have made a few mistakes in the name of rushing things that will increase chance of short term moderate success but decrease the chance of long-term high-end success. Wallow in the middle is our game plan, now see if management can actually get us to the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted March 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: The amount of teams that are perpetual losers regardless of high picks and prospect pools should be warning enough. I say this full acknowledging we are dangerously close to being one of those teams if we aren’t already. At least Petey, Hughes and Demko can say they’ve won a playoff round. Buffalo really is the perfect example. They are going on 13 years of rebuilding. They have multiple 1st overall picks in their lineup as well as other top 10 picks. They also got extremely lucky in the Tage Thompson trade. And yet they are still not even a playoff team and are still several pieces away from contending. They stripped it all down to the core, even traded a 2nd overall pick, and still haven't figured it out more than a decade later. Gaglardi pointed this out and said they may never get to the top again... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) Not really related to this game specifically but I'm honestly sick of this team constantly being at the bottom. A rebuild would mean more time at the bottom and there's no guarantee a rebuild even succeeds. Look at PHX, look at BUF. How much longer is everyone willing to be miserable? If (and that's a big IF) a rebuild were to actually succeed, you also need a lot of good fortune and the proper management/ownership in place that has that long term vision set without going off course. You also need an ownership that will be fully onboard. It's very f**king clear ownership will not let a proper rebuild happen. I only started taking this management seriously the month leading up to the trade deadline when they started with the Bo trade and ended off with the Hronek acquisition. JR and PA showed that when they actually go to work (it took them a while) they are aggressive. They got that elite, young RHD that Benning couldn't do ever since Tanev left (Schmidt was a fail). If management can really actually do this and a retool helps us finally compete after years and years of misery then let's f**king go. I'm willing to give them more of a chance and seeing what they can do from here on out (in the offseason). Edited March 14, 2023 by PetterssonOrPeterson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Kuzmenko pre game snack 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Buffalo really is the perfect example. They are going on 13 years of rebuilding. They have multiple 1st overall picks in their lineup as well as other top 10 picks. They also got extremely lucky in the Tage Thompson trade. And yet they are still not even a playoff team and are still several pieces away from contending. They stripped it all down to the core, even traded a 2nd overall pick, and still haven't figured it out more than a decade later. Gaglardi pointed this out and said they may never get to the top again... Seems the 3 NY competitors cast a longg shadow. They're a cap-dump like the 'Yotes(minus a desert)..but they do have some tasty young trade-targets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 minute ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: Kuzmenko pre game snack Chocolate, I like, maybe Twix? Maybe KitKat? I like, yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 27 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: The odds are exactly why the rebuild is the model that works best. The odds of building a contender/champion are much higher than stumbling along in a retool. There is a reason it has taken over as the predominant model for building a team and why what we are doing is so confusing to most in the industry. Cant speak for anyone else but I absolutely consider the odds of failure along with the odds of success. That sometimes rebuilds stumble is not surprising but has Buffalo or NJ really been in a worse position than our moribund franchise over the last 10 years? Edmonton is always held up as a model of failed rebuild but they never committed to a rebuild but went into a chronic retool for over a decade and have ruined the careers of multiple 1st OA pics because of poor choices. It's easy for a fan to tell the owner to tear it all down and start from scratch. There are risks to doing that. The risk of never getting the team back on track is just one of the risks. Empty rinks, fan morale, season ticket sales, attracting free agents, attracting coaches, team morale. There are lots of things to consider. You as a fan do not have to take any of those risks. Also, you and some others may want a rebuild, but there are lots of people who don't. Just because a poll on Donnie and Dhali or on CDC favours a rebuild doesn't mean the majority of fans in the City actually want that... 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Dallas in an interesting team. They are a top 6 team in the NHL and are truly a Stanley Cup contender this year. Here are their core players: Jake Oettinger - 26th overall Miro Heiskanen - 3rd overall Tyler Sequin - trade Jamie Benn - 129th overall Jason Robertson - 39th overall Mason Marchment - trade Roope Hintz - 49th overall Wyatt Johnston - 23rd overall Esa Lindell - 24th overall Nils Lundkvist - trade The only top 10 pick on their entire roster that they drafted is Miro Heiskanen. Their 2nd and 3rd best players were drafted in the 2nd round. No wonder Gagliardi doesn't believe in a rebuild. His team is a good example of building through proper drafting after the 1st round and some trades and free agent signings. The Canucks already have TWO players drafted in the top 10 picks. So we are already ahead of Dallas in that regard. We got our goalie pretty much in the same area of the draft that they did. We got some other pieces via trade. We have our veteran players as well. Our team isn't much different than Dallas right now. We are just missing a few pieces and need to unload some cap. Most of the cap we need to unload is from the prior regime, so it will take some time to do that. OEL, Myers, Garland, Pearson, Poolman. These contracts were inherited by the current regime, so they need to figure out how to move that money out to get the final missing pieces... Can you imagine if JB didn’t trade for OEL and Garland?? Canucks would have kept that 1st pick and have tons of cap room. Major surgery would still likely to happen as the new management had to shake things up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Chocolate, I like, maybe Twix? Maybe KitKat? I like, yes. If we're doing a chocolate debate, Twix hands down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Expecting Dallas to run rings around our AHL defence, Quinn to play 28 minutes, Demko to stand on his head and Petey and Miller with the big goals. 3-1 Canucks, Demko with 40+ saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 31 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: I guess we should distinguish between a long term rebuild and a shorter one. To me, Buffalo is the perfect example of a failed rebuild. Anaheim was hoping to make the playoffs already and theirs isn't going as well as people would want. LA has executed a very good short term rebuild. Colorado didn't strip their team down to the studs and bottom out for 5 years. Lots of nuances to this discussion. There's no one way to build a team. I think we can all agree, longshot or not. Getting Bedard would help the team immensely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 For the love of all that's HOLEE, just buy out OEL. GB schools the punk at 10% of his atrocious AAV! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: It's easy for a fan to tell the owner to tear it all down and start from scratch. There are risks to doing that. The risk of never getting the team back on track is just one of the risks. Empty rinks, fan morale, season ticket sales, attracting free agents, attracting coaches, team morale. There are lots of things to consider. You as a fan do not have to take any of those risks. Also, you and some others may want a rebuild, but there are lots of people who don't. Just because a poll on Donnie and Dhali or on CDC favours a rebuild doesn't mean the majority of fans in the City actually want that... There’s a risk in everything. I seriously doubt season ticket sales will take a hit. It’s fairly well known that most businesses scoop up season tickets and can write them off as business expenses. The other stuff is a possibility. Depends how good of a PR job management can do. Look at NYR when they announced a rebuild. It was a few years and BANG…they’re back in the playoffs. So it all boils down to how competent management is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coho8888 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Just now, Ghostsof1915 said: There's no one way to build a team. I think we can all agree, longshot or not. Getting Bedard would help the team immensely. yep. Getting Bedard on ELC for three years would be like adding nitrous to your team for cheap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coho8888 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Just now, BPA said: There’s a risk in everything. I seriously doubt season ticket sales will take a hit. It’s fairly well known that most businesses scoop up season tickets and can write them off as business expenses. The other stuff is a possibility. Depends how good of a PR job management can do. Look at NYR when they announced a rebuild. It was a few years and BANG…they’re back in the playoffs. So it all boils down to how competent management is. Don't think the Rangers are a good example. They were really not that bad, won the lottery twice, have free agents literally begging to sign with them. Also the population and the fact that they are an original 6 team helps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 32 minutes ago, grumpyone said: no Who is on first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: It's easy for a fan to tell the owner to tear it all down and start from scratch. There are risks to doing that. The risk of never getting the team back on track is just one of the risks. Empty rinks, fan morale, season ticket sales, attracting free agents, attracting coaches, team morale. There are lots of things to consider. You as a fan do not have to take any of those risks. Also, you and some others may want a rebuild, but there are lots of people who don't. Just because a poll on Donnie and Dhali or on CDC favours a rebuild doesn't mean the majority of fans in the City actually want that... This is really the thing that explains the model we have chosen. This fan base celebrates such moderate success and keeps coming back for more moderate success. We have had really 3 eras of short lived good teams, the Bure/Linden years, the WCE and the Sedin era, and that is a total of about 10 years of good hockey over 50 of mostly basement dweller/lower third level team. The team is supported by a dedicated fan base. We can continue to be risk averse and continue being a mediocre franchise. We are still living off the good will of the Sedin era and the presence of two of the best players in franchise history will continue to sell tickets. I was just hoping to see a cogent, focused plan to try to win with them instead of the same ongoing plan of the last decade with a bit better pros scouting. Never pretended to speak for all the fans or more than just myself. Don’t care about polls. ‘The PR nightmare that our front-office propagated throughout the year is more damaging for a lot of things you sited but the fact that we are trying to move in two directions at once and going nowhere is likely more damaging to recruitment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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