RU SERIOUS Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) Here's the link ( Tocchet’s top-DAWGs: The Vancouver Canucks’ DAWG ratings under head coach Rick Tocchet (msn.com) to the Final Report showing just who the Top & Bottom DAWGs were for the Canucks in the final 36 games of the season under Tocchet. No surprise who the TOP DAWGS were under Tocchet; Forwards: Joshua & Miller Defense: Burroughs & Schenn ....and of course who the obvious BOTTOM DAWGS were under Tocchet: Forwards: Boeser & Horvat Defense: Still-Man & OEL Edited April 23, 2023 by RU SERIOUS typo 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted April 23, 2023 Author Share Posted April 23, 2023 No surprise that they've already purged two of the four bottom Dawg's and the other two are high-up on most "Normal" Canucks fans "Wish List" to go next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Miller has been a lion under RT and nice seeing Joshua roar as well. No surprise about Still man and OEL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 i think tocchet playing joshua with pettersson and kuzmenko and burroughs with hughes, spoke volumes as to the type of players this team needs to be successful. MR. T wants more grit and speed. MR. A can't get any of those type of players without moving some contracts off the team. catch 22. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) nevermind Edited April 23, 2023 by Crabcakes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 This rating system makes little sense. We don’t need a DAWG rating to see Hughes is brilliant and OEL struggled badly. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted April 23, 2023 Author Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alflives said: This rating system makes little sense. We don’t need a DAWG rating to see Hughes is brilliant and OEL struggled badly. It's simply another perspective on players performance but backs-up general opinions and re-confirms who is working well with Tock-It's methods and who needed/needs to be removed from this roster. When you look at the results - there's really not a whole lot to argue with, as I suspect most "Normal" Canuck fans can agree that OEL & Boeser (for instance) really don't "Fit-In" on a Tock-It Type/Systems structured team - where you have to at least "show-up" every night. Edited April 23, 2023 by RU SERIOUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 I dont really care about ratings for players who left the team after only playing a few games under the new coach. In the final 36 games, how many did Stillman and Horvat really play? 3 or 4? No point in assessing them. 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: It's simply another perspective on players performance but backs-up general opinions and re-confirms who is working well with Tock-It's methods and who needed/needs to be removed from this roster. When you look at the results - there's really not a whole lot to argue with, as I suspect most "Normal" Canuck fans can agree that OEL & Boeser (for instance) really don't "Fit-In" on a Tock-It Type/Systems structured team - where you have to at least "show-up" every night. It’s a stupid way of evaluating players who are elite skill. It’s actually just a stupid way of evaluating players. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eeeeergh Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Alflives said: It’s a stupid way of evaluating players who are elite skill. It’s actually just a stupid way of evaluating players. Yes it is. Tbh any player rating system that evaluates Burroughs' level of "contributions" as greater than Hughes is a stupid system. I love Burroughs but he wont win us games. Hughes wins us games. 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 You guys are taking it too seriously. It is a statistical model created for fun to measure the “intangibles” that don’t show up in traditional or advanced stats. Like any stat you take it for what it is. It doesn’t say that he is a better player or not. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: Here's the link ( Tocchet’s top-DAWGs: The Vancouver Canucks’ DAWG ratings under head coach Rick Tocchet (msn.com) to the Final Report showing just who the Top & Bottom DAWGs were for the Canucks in the final 36 games of the season under Tocchet. No surprise who the TOP DAWGS were under Tocchet; Forwards: Joshua & Miller Defense: Burroughs & Schenn ....and of course who the obvious BOTTOM DAWGS were under Tocchet: Forwards: Boeser & Horvat Defense: Still-Man & OEL Here's the thing... this model doesn't explain why Boeser started to play much better hockey under Tocchet. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: No surprise that they've already purged two of the four bottom Dawg's and the other two are high-up on most "Normal" Canucks fans "Wish List" to go next! Yeah it's not really news but Garland as well, I like him but he's inconsistent and on the smaller side when we need to get bigger and tougher which I'm a fan of, the game the other night was a classic case of post season brutality, FLA and Boston and it's something most people forget, soft teams gets smoked as we of all franchises should know.. Idk about you but it way past old, get us some depth along with the 2011/12 roster and we'd at least have a better shot of actually getting somewhere. All those long term contracts by MG handcuffed us for years and years! Glad to be back on the right side of things and actually actually be able to finish building a roster with depth... Wow, hard to fathom! We've never once even had a team with depth. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Alflives said: This rating system makes little sense. We don’t need a DAWG rating to see Hughes is brilliant and OEL struggled badly. Kuzmenko wasn't much above Boeser. The top d-men were Burroughs, Schenn, Juulsen and Bear, while Hughes was just above Wolanin and Rathbone. Garland ranked higher than Hughes. Not sure what that says about the formula in regards to quality of player. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 3 hours ago, DrJockitch said: You guys are taking it too seriously. It is a statistical model created for fun to measure the “intangibles” that don’t show up in traditional or advanced stats. Like any stat you take it for what it is. It doesn’t say that he is a better player or not. You realize you're being too honest for some of the one dimensional patrons of this forum. Being correct will get you no-where with "SOME" people ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, iceman64 said: Yeah it's not really news but Garland as well, I like him but he's inconsistent and on the smaller side when we need to get bigger and tougher which I'm a fan of, the game the other night was a classic case of post season brutality, FLA and Boston and it's something most people forget, soft teams gets smoked as we of all franchises should know.. Idk about you but it way past old, get us some depth along with the 2011/12 roster and we'd at least have a better shot of actually getting somewhere. All those long term contracts by MG handcuffed us for years and years! Glad to be back on the right side of things and actually actually be able to finish building a roster with depth... Wow, hard to fathom! We've never once even had a team with depth. Yes, things could be worse like when MG departed and left us with 11 or 13 NTC's - if memory serves me correctly - and I agree 100%, that after watching several 1st Rd. playoff games that our soft Euro-Centric Team of Regular-Season Finesse Kittens would be torn to shreds in 1 - perhaps 2 games flat. I can barely count on one hand the number of players on our team with any inherent "Fire in the Belly" that is essential to survive round after punishing round of playoff hockey. It's been too long since any players on our team have faced real adversity and highly physical play - having only played one year of playoff hockey in the last 7 or 8 years (and will be close to a decade next year if we actually make the playoffs) and so they've become a bunch of small, slow & soft - spring time golfers. Even JR eventually couldn't deny and hide the facts and broke down a few months back - finally admitting openly that he needed to get this team built Bigger, Faster and Grittier so we'd have some sort of chance of getting out of the basement of the league - which hopefully Tock-It can assist with too. Edited April 24, 2023 by RU SERIOUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Dazzle said: Here's the thing... this model doesn't explain why Boeser started to play much better hockey under Tocchet. No model explains why Boeser was living in a fog after his father died or predicted when he started to come out of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 3 hours ago, iceman64 said: Yeah it's not really news but Garland as well, I like him but he's inconsistent and on the smaller side when we need to get bigger and tougher which I'm a fan of, the game the other night was a classic case of post season brutality, FLA and Boston and it's something most people forget, soft teams gets smoked as we of all franchises should know.. Idk about you but it way past old, get us some depth along with the 2011/12 roster and we'd at least have a better shot of actually getting somewhere. All those long term contracts by MG handcuffed us for years and years! Glad to be back on the right side of things and actually actually be able to finish building a roster with depth... Wow, hard to fathom! We've never once even had a team with depth. You're right. They can have highly skilled small guys but if they do, they've got to have bigger, tougher support players. So Garland (5-10, 165) and Beauvillier (5-11, 182) and all the other smurfs can move along. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 What about CAT or PIG ratings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 The DAWG rating is literally just the eye-test as a number. Just watch the game instead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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