Chicken. Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Angry Goose said: Maybe if they take OEL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chicken. said: Maybe if they take OEL? It's the only way it would work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: You need to be patient with young players. You can blame the player all you want for being a late bloomer but in the end the jokes on the team that gave up on them prematurity. Islanders gave up on Bertuzzi, the Penguins gave up on Naslund, the Canucks have up on Neely. The Canucks thought there was a chance Kravstov could be one of those guys. It goes both ways. Not all pan out. I agree you need to be patient with young players. But, patience runs out with waiver elligibily. Then you weigh the chances of that player making the team, while keeping in mind the chance he'll clear waivers. You cannot simply ignore the circumstances. If the odds are against being the best option and against clearing waivers, as with Grabner, you move them rather than lose them for nothing. Trading any player doesn't automatically equate to "giving up". Circumstances like waivers come into play as does "you need to trade something to get something" if you want to fill a need. And that "something" has to be what the other teams wants in return. Clenddening and Vey were perfect examples in the same position as Grabner. Both waiver elligible, both with good AHL numbers, both unlikely to clear waivers, and both very unlikely to crack a contenders roster. Exactly like Grabner. The only difference in the three is Grabner became something (after being claimed on waivers by a bad team) having a career very similar to Mason Raymond. The guy fans wanted moved to gamble on Grabner. My only regret (frustration) with Grabner was his complete lack of commitment and desire to show up to camp ready to compete. What are the odds of Lockwood clearing waivers compared to Kravstov? NY moved a guy unlikely to clear waivers and they got a guy likely to clear waivers plus a 7th round pick to make up that difference in actual potential. As long as Kravstov is qualified he can only sign with us after two years of development in the KHL. We can't lose him to waivers now either. He'll be 25 when his KHL contract expires. Where's your patience? But, even if he doesn't return what did we actually give up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 To Chicago: 2023 11OA pick Conor Garland Tucker Poolman Anthony Beauvillier Tanner Pearson To Vancouver: 2023 19OA pick 2023 35OA pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: To Chicago: 2023 11OA pick Conor Garland Tucker Poolman Anthony Beauvillier Tanner Pearson To Vancouver: 2023 19OA pick 2023 35OA pick Dont really like it. Rather trade Garly and Beau separately to extract some if their existing value, and one would think Tanner and Tucker will be on LTIR anyway. Though all in all the $15m cap space is enticing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: To Chicago: 2023 11OA pick Conor Garland Tucker Poolman Anthony Beauvillier Tanner Pearson To Vancouver: 2023 19OA pick 2023 35OA pick I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Angry Goose said: If it is Myers then sure otherwise I would want another 2nd 2nd/3rd coming back if it is Garland/Beau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chicken. said: Dont really like it. Rather trade Garly and Beau separately to extract some if their existing value, and one would think Tanner and Tucker will be on LTIR anyway. Though all in all the $15m cap space is enticing Sure, but we get rid of them all in one fell swoop, open up $15 million in cap space and all of a sudden we can go shopping for free agents. Graves, Gavrikov, Schenn, Barbashev, a 3C somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Angry Goose Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 Report says “a bad contract” and people think CHI are going to take 3 contracts back….wow 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: To Chicago: 2023 11OA pick Conor Garland Tucker Poolman Anthony Beauvillier Tanner Pearson To Vancouver: 2023 19OA pick 2023 35OA pick Pearson and Beauvillier only have 1 year left. and Garland is too good on the 3rd line. It's too reminiscent of the Benning trade when he traded Eriksson with only a year left on his contract and we lost our 9th overall. If it was OEL and our 11th for their 19 and 35 picks, I'd listen to that. They're getting a potential star. Just ride it out and there's apparently going to be a 3-4 mill increase to the cap next year. Edited May 23, 2023 by Pure961089 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seannnp Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Angry Goose said: Report says “a bad contract” and people think CHI are going to take 3 contracts back….wow Thats because two would be LTIR which would be far more enticing for the hawks given they get Beau and Garland. Id rather trade those two seperately to extract as much value as possible. OEL Garland 11th OA for 19th OA 35th OA 3rd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Seannnp said: Thats because two would be LTIR which would be far more enticing for the hawks given they get Beau and Garland. Id rather trade those two seperately to extract as much value as possible. OEL Garland 11th OA for 19th OA 35th OA 3rd round pick Lol that ain't happening. Even trading the 11th and OEL for the 35th is a pipe dream. OEL is truly the one contract that is untouchable in the nhl. The guy should just retire in disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 4 hours ago, 24K PureCool said: If it is Myers then sure otherwise I would want another 2nd 2nd/3rd coming back if it is Garland/Beau. We’re not doing this sh@t again!! Trading a valuable pick to unload one year of a contract is beyond idiotic. I know it’s not the OEL trade but it’s the same idea. Spending cap we didn’t have and then trading our best asset to dump other contracts wreaks of Benning. Fire Allvin immediately if this is his plan! Just what we need, watching the Hawks take an elite player at 11 and hoping our third line center taken at 19 can develop… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: We’re not doing this sh@t again!! Trading a valuable pick to unload one year of a contract is beyond idiotic. I know it’s not the OEL trade but it’s the same idea. Spending cap we didn’t have and then trading our best asset to dump other contracts wreaks of Benning. Fire Allvin immediately if this is his plan! Just what we need, watching the Hawks take an elite player at 11 and hoping our third line center taken at 19 can develop… Well let's hope the cap does increase by 3 to 4 million then. I also vote for riding it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Angry Goose said: That’s super interesting. If it’s Myers at full freight that might be the ticket if his NTC doesn’t bugger that up. Moving Myers + the rumoured cap bump would open up room to sign Soucy/Gavrikov and Bjugstad for example. Would fill some serious organizational holes and we can just take Willander or that Russian D at 19 to call it a day WITH a 2nd round pick to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 I wonder if the Canucks could snag Danielson at #19-I like his potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 17 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: It's the only way it would work. what if they take garland and myers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 16 hours ago, Angry Goose said: Report says “a bad contract” and people think CHI are going to take 3 contracts back….wow The report is also unsubstantiated......d'oh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 17 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: To Chicago: 2023 11OA pick Conor Garland Tucker Poolman Anthony Beauvillier Tanner Pearson To Vancouver: 2023 19OA pick 2023 35OA pick I would also want back VAN 2024 2nd round draft from CHI. This way we can also dream of Canucks making an offersheet in the summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 This why we can’t have nice things ….. because we have to many bad things…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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