Pure961089 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Ideally this is the year the Canucks weaponize the cap and take on a bad one year contract from a desperate team for a 2nd round pick. Try to fill in the needs internally first like Johansson, Woo and Sasson before you throw your money away on an aging veteran to a long term contract. Then we're right back to where we were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spook007 Posted June 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: The common misconception is that Aquilini only cares about the money and not winning the cup. This is 100% false. Francesco was a season ticket holder since he was in high school. He promised his 90 year old father that the Canucks would win a cup in his lifetime. Time is short. The time to win the cup is now. He is all in. Hammer meets head.... exactly... it seems to be forgotten constantly. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Kenny Powers said: Not even to get ahead of other teams who will want to sign him? I don’t think he will get more than a 5x5 deal. Not sure teams actually trade for negotiation rights unless it’s to get that 8th year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: The common misconception is that Aquilini only cares about the money and not winning the cup. This is 100% false. Francesco was a season ticket holder since he was in high school. He promised his 90 year old father that the Canucks would win a cup in his lifetime. Time is short. The time to win the cup is now. He is all in. Yeah Aquilini’s meddling has been an extreme hindrance to the long term success of the club but I think people really don’t understand how crucial it is to have an owner actually willing to spend money on the club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, grandmaster said: I would like to take this moment, regardless of how unpopular it may be with some fans, to thank ownership for bucking up and eating this terrible contract. This hits their pocket book hard and they did not cheap out on a necessary move to make this team competitive. The Canucks were never going far with OEL in the lineup. Period. As I’ve said many times before, they care, they want to win and they are big fans. The Canucks did the only thing they could do, they ripped the bandaid clean off. Having to pay over 7 mill to a replacement level defenceman for the next 4 years when the Canucks are entering their competitive peak would have been untenable. They made the most of a bad situation. What's more important now is what they do going forward, do they buy out Myers signing bonus next? They're not done, this buyout was a statement. I'm anticipating more bold moves. Edited June 19, 2023 by Pure961089 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 I'm still bitter over this, both the original acquisition cost and subsequent buyout. Looking back, OEL would only waive to go to Boston or Vancouver. We had Arizona over a barrel and still made what may be the worst trade in franchise history. Wow. The sting may heal a bit if the right moves are to follow. This is just a dark stain on a club that has a lot of misses lately. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) What if the Canucks started the season with this as their defence Hughes - Woo (Bear) Hirose - Hronek Wolanin - Johansson Rathbone - McWard. Woo gets moved down when Bear comes back from injury. The Canucks still need 1 top 4 defenceman but I think Woo, if he plays a simple game can be a nice compliment to Hughes. I mean if they make the cut they should be given a chance. Edited June 19, 2023 by Pure961089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: What if the Canucks started the season with this as their defence Hughes - Woo (Bear) Hirose - Hronek Wolanin - Johansson Rathbone - McWard. Woo gets moved down when Bear comes back from injury. The Canucks still need 1 top 4 defenceman but I think Woo, if he plays a simple game can be a nice compliment to Hughes. If that's our starting D, we may as well just kept OEL. Edited June 19, 2023 by rekker 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Pure961089 said: What if the Canucks started the season with this as their defence Hughes - Woo (Bear) Hirose - Hronek Wolanin - Johansson Rathbone - McWard. Woo gets moved down when Bear comes back from injury. The Canucks still need 1 top 4 defenceman but I think Woo, if he plays a simple game can be a nice compliment to Hughes. Not a bad looking defense if we are aiming for Celebrini next year. Who needs NHL Dmen when you can have AHL ones instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, rekker said: I'm still bitter over this, both the original acquisition cost and subsequent buyout. Looking back, OEL would only waive to go to Boston or Vancouver. We had Arizona over a barrel and still made what may be the worst trade in franchise history. Wow. The sting may heal a bit if the right moves are to follow. This is just a dark stain on a club that has a lot of misses lately. Benning was by far the most incompetent GM in this franchise's history. And it's not even close. Edited June 19, 2023 by Pure961089 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: The common misconception is that Aquilini only cares about the money and not winning the cup. This is 100% false. Francesco was a season ticket holder since he was in high school. He promised his 90 year old father that the Canucks would win a cup in his lifetime. Time is short. The time to win the cup is now. He is all in. Kudos to FA. But where was that when Canucks had LE?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bh90 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 20 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: What if the Canucks started the season with this as their defence Hughes - Woo (Bear) Hirose - Hronek Wolanin - Johansson Rathbone - McWard. Woo gets moved down when Bear comes back from injury. The Canucks still need 1 top 4 defenceman but I think Woo, if he plays a simple game can be a nice compliment to Hughes. I mean if they make the cut they should be given a chance. I think we could make the playoffs with something among these lines Hughes - Mayfield or comparable Briesbois - Hronek Wolanin - Myers Extra Woo (not waiver eligible) and Burroughs (resigned) I think briesbois can hold his own defensively especially if he just to hang back and give Hronek space. Wolanin really made an impression on me last year and he seems to fit Tocchets systems well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCathode Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 1:42 PM, erkayloomeh said: How much will OEL get in Calgary? Career year? OEL would be okay until he has to play defense. His offensive performance in Vancouver was okay, but then Hughes turned out to be the Number 1, that pushed OEL back to a defensive role to which he was singularly unsuitable. But in neither role was he worth anywhere near 7.2 mil a year. Just like many of Benning's free agent acquisitions (Myers, Eriksson, Ferland, etc. he was not even remotely worth his contract). By contrast, Hughes built himself up from primarily an offensive guy, to our best all round defenseman - a true Knight's Tale guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, bh90 said: I think we could make the playoffs with something among these lines Hughes - Mayfield or comparable Briesbois - Hronek Wolanin - Myers Extra Woo (not waiver eligible) and Burroughs (resigned) I think briesbois can hold his own defensively especially if he just to hang back and give Hronek space. Wolanin really made an impression on me last year and he seems to fit Tocchets systems well. If we are entering the season expecting Brisebois to play top 4 minutes we are in an absolutely massive amount of trouble. Rathbone, Brisebois, Woo, Wolanin, Hirose ect, could make the team out of training camp. It's very likely we will need one of our depth D to take a step forward and play good minutes for us. But if any of them are being penciled in for the top 6 on opening night going into training camp, I'm calling that a massive failure to make this D corp better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhahoodlum Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 hours ago, 24K PureCool said: Dude check your math. With OEL like you proposes 7M (OEL) + 7M (new top 4) = 14M Buyout OEL 5M (dead cap) + 7M + 2M (3rd pair) =14M And these estimates for players are on the high end. It is literally the same cap hit for years 3-4. The crux of your argument is mute. Once again the debates falls on how many years of 2M dead cap you want after OEL contract expiration and tour arguments isn't based on that. I do not think that word means what you think it means. I believe the word you want is moot. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, buddhahoodlum said: I do not think that word means what you think it means. I believe the word you want is moot. Haha you right. Edited June 19, 2023 by 24K PureCool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, rekker said: I'm still bitter over this, both the original acquisition cost and subsequent buyout. Looking back, OEL would only waive to go to Boston or Vancouver. We had Arizona over a barrel and still made what may be the worst trade in franchise history. Wow. The sting may heal a bit if the right moves are to follow. This is just a dark stain on a club that has a lot of misses lately. I would have begged him to stay on ltir for one more year. Other teams get away with it. Why not us, sorta petty but necessary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 I'm gonna rub dirt in all of your faces if OEL returns to his form of 2 years ago after a healthy off season of training. I still think OEL is a bonafide top 4 LHD that was playing injured last year. This buyout is gonna look really stupid if that's the case. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, HKSR said: I'm gonna rub dirt in all of your faces if OEL returns to his form of 2 years ago after a healthy off season of training. I still think OEL is a bonafide top 4 LHD that was playing injured last year. This buyout is gonna look really stupid if that's the case. But even 2 years ago he didn’t look anything like a $7m defenceman. As long as the player(s) the Canucks acquire with their newfound cap space outperform OEL, it’s a good move for the team. If he gets 40+ points and is very solid defensively somewhere else for a few years, then yeah we look a bit silly. I’m betting ($0 but still!) that does not happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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