Nucker 67 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/22/2023 at 10:56 AM, aGENT said: The opportunity to play top 4 minutes next to Hronek? That might be tempting. I'm assuming this would be the Top 4 next season: Hughes - Juulsen Soucy - Hronek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: That might be tempting. I'm assuming this would be the Top 4 next season: Hughes - Juulsen Soucy - Hronek I'd imagine we're looking to add another top 4, even with a potential Soucy signing. Whether that's a trade for a guy like Carlo, Zadorov or Pesce, signing Graves or Mayfield etc, etc Hughes, UFA/trade Soucy, Hronek Edited June 24, 2023 by aGENT 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 hours ago, aGENT said: I'd imagine we're looking to add another top 4, even with a potential Soucy signing. Whether that's a trade for a guy like Carlo, Zadorov or Pesce, signing Graves or Mayfield etc, etc Hughes, UFA/trade Soucy, Hronek Mayfield was underpaid for a long time and will want to try and cash in on a long term deal. I am curious if he is wanting something similar to what Colorado gave Josh Manson to extend 4 yr at 4.5m with a NTC I would love to see us somehow get Mayfiled and Soucey for the D. Then trade Beauvillier for a draft pick or prospect(C/RHD) to free just over another 4m so we can get a #3C. Compher likely gets overpaid and he is a right shot C. Maybe Alvin goes to an ex Penguin and signs Blueger and tries him and runs a 3a line with Blueger and 3b with Aman. Equal playing minutes for both C with PK time. Then we could ice: Mikheyev Pettersson Kuzmenko Hoglander Miller Boeser Podkolzin Blueger Garland Di Gusieppe/Pearson Aman Joshua Hughes Mayfield Soucey Hronek Wolanin Juulsen/Johansson/Burroughs/Bear(mid season return/if signed to new contract) Rathbone- traded at draft or claimed off waivers in fall Demko Martin/Delia Silovs AHL #1G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmutzhaken Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/20/2023 at 7:54 PM, Citizen Erased said: I know he is bigger and stronger than everyone else. The problem is he is not even remotely consistent with his physical play. That’s what’s disappointing about him. We know what he’s capable of. Iirc, he seems to receive a penalty every time he decides to get physical. I’d get a little gun-shy myself if that were the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Third pair D. No thanks. Bad UFA investment regardless of role filled. He’ll be forced to play heavy minutes and that’ll expose his deficiencies. Save the cap for a real two way minute muncher. Even if you have to wait a year or two… Or stay in purgatory I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbhatti00 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 On 6/23/2023 at 11:11 PM, Neutral said: Mayfield was underpaid for a long time and will want to try and cash in on a long term deal. I am curious if he is wanting something similar to what Colorado gave Josh Manson to extend 4 yr at 4.5m with a NTC I would love to see us somehow get Mayfiled and Soucey for the D. Then trade Beauvillier for a draft pick or prospect(C/RHD) to free just over another 4m so we can get a #3C. Compher likely gets overpaid and he is a right shot C. Maybe Alvin goes to an ex Penguin and signs Blueger and tries him and runs a 3a line with Blueger and 3b with Aman. Equal playing minutes for both C with PK time. Then we could ice: Mikheyev Pettersson Kuzmenko Hoglander Miller Boeser Podkolzin Blueger Garland Di Gusieppe/Pearson Aman Joshua Hughes Mayfield Soucey Hronek Wolanin Juulsen/Johansson/Burroughs/Bear(mid season return/if signed to new contract) Rathbone- traded at draft or claimed off waivers in fall Demko Martin/Delia Silovs AHL #1G Don’t forget about Dermott, Poolman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pbhatti00 said: Don’t forget about Dermott, Poolman Dermott wont be qualified and will become a UFA, Poolman has been a ghost I doubt he is ready come training camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 On 6/23/2023 at 6:03 PM, aGENT said: I'd imagine we're looking to add another top 4, even with a potential Soucy signing. Whether that's a trade for a guy like Carlo, Zadorov or Pesce, signing Graves or Mayfield etc, etc Hughes, UFA/trade Soucy, Hronek I really feel like this management group might deal our 1st next year. I think the Hronek trade has made sense and I'm on board with that, but unprotected 1st next year is something I can't get down with, unless the Dman is a gamechanger for the next 4-5 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, KKnight said: I really feel like this management group might deal our 1st next year. I think the Hronek trade has made sense and I'm on board with that, but unprotected 1st next year is something I can't get down with, unless the Dman is a gamechanger for the next 4-5 years. If they did move our 24 1st (no idea if they will), I'd imagine it would have some sort of top 5-10 protection. If they didn't, and they moved it unprotected.... It better be, because Boston decides to blow it up and rebuild, and we're getting McAvoy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 It is so difficult to figure out and articulate what the best moves should be. It seems pretty clear that there isn’t a practical, likely path to becoming a contender in the foreseeable future. IF we had guy like Petterson and Hughes AND a solid pipeline of high end prospects on the way, that could be a path as those cheap ELCs would also allow for signing UFAs to fill gaps. With that in mind, if your goal is to be a real contender for the Cup, the answer is to tear it down and rebuild so there is a critical mass of prospects and cap space in 2-5 years. Management doesn’t want to do that and wants to make incremental improvements where they hope the team can go from a bottom feeder to a middle of the pack team that has regular playoff appearances. That plan just hopes for an ‘82 like Cinderella run where everything just breaks our way to make a deep run. A guy like Soucy is an incremental improvement that isn’t going to move the needle a lot. He will be better at helping keep the puck out of the net than OEL was. That is worth a couple extra wins a year, so it makes sense if that is the plan. Hronek will be worth an extra couple wins a year over Myers. A healthy Mikheyev (if an equivalent player doesn’t get hurt) is worth another couple of wins a year. Internal development from guys like Petterson is probably worth another couple wins a year. If everything goes well with all that, we are probably looking at being a 93-98 point team, which is the middle of the pack. The variance being how much better or worse the division teams we are competing most with are next year. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Provost said: It is so difficult to figure out and articulate what the best moves should be. It seems pretty clear that there isn’t a practical, likely path to becoming a contender in the foreseeable future. IF we had guy like Petterson and Hughes AND a solid pipeline of high end prospects on the way, that could be a path as those cheap ELCs would also allow for signing UFAs to fill gaps. With that in mind, if your goal is to be a real contender for the Cup, the answer is to tear it down and rebuild so there is a critical mass of prospects and cap space in 2-5 years. Management doesn’t want to do that and wants to make incremental improvements where they hope the team can go from a bottom feeder to a middle of the pack team that has regular playoff appearances. That plan just hopes for an ‘82 like Cinderella run where everything just breaks our way to make a deep run. A guy like Soucy is an incremental improvement that isn’t going to move the needle a lot. He will be better at helping keep the puck out of the net than OEL was. That is worth a couple extra wins a year, so it makes sense if that is the plan. Hronek will be worth an extra couple wins a year over Myers. A healthy Mikheyev (if an equivalent player doesn’t get hurt) is worth another couple of wins a year. Internal development from guys like Petterson is probably worth another couple wins a year. If everything goes well with all that, we are probably looking at being a 93-98 point team, which is the middle of the pack. The variance being how much better or worse the division teams we are competing most with are next year. We like to pay players for amazing performances for other teams. I suspect we will sign Barbashev to a contract of ill advised length and value and a bargain basement big defence man. I hope we start getting in the trade action and leverage the cap space but suspect that we will do something more short sighted and to pattern. Edited June 25, 2023 by DrJockitch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Canucks army was suggesting Soucy could get in the 3 year 2.5 per range. I for one would be very happy with that. Even if he would be a bottom pair dman. I don't see any Poolman situation happening with Soucy. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 59 minutes ago, KKnight said: Canucks army was suggesting Soucy could get in the 3 year 2.5 per range. I for one would be very happy with that. Even if he would be a bottom pair dman. I don't see any Poolman situation happening with Soucy. That’s a fair contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, KKnight said: Canucks army was suggesting Soucy could get in the 3 year 2.5 per range. I for one would be very happy with that. Even if he would be a bottom pair dman. I don't see any Poolman situation happening with Soucy. If we can get Soucy for that, I'd be stoked. He's good enough to play 4B for now (and Hronek is good enough to "carry" him on the 2nd pair) until/if we find/develop someone to outplay him for 2nd pair minutes. And that contract shouldn't be too onerous on cap or length to finish off on our 3rd pair. All while bringing some much needed size, physicality and defensive/PK ability to the back end. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) Unless it is below $3M and less than three years, not sure this makes long-term sense. Would prefer to see Mgmt go for Schenn and Clifton on shorter, lower cap deals. Add some snarl to round out the d core Edited June 26, 2023 by 5nothincanucksohno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, KKnight said: Canucks army was suggesting Soucy could get in the 3 year 2.5 per range. I for one would be very happy with that. Even if he would be a bottom pair dman. I don't see any Poolman situation happening with Soucy. Soucy IS about solidifying out bottom pairing. And adding size and grit. We could try and bring Schenn back, my guess is he's getting a nice raise and a couple years no matter where he ends up. He's also about adding playoff bodies. Edited June 26, 2023 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Provost said: It is so difficult to figure out and articulate what the best moves should be. It seems pretty clear that there isn’t a practical, likely path to becoming a contender in the foreseeable future. IF we had guy like Petterson and Hughes AND a solid pipeline of high end prospects on the way, that could be a path as those cheap ELCs would also allow for signing UFAs to fill gaps. With that in mind, if your goal is to be a real contender for the Cup, the answer is to tear it down and rebuild so there is a critical mass of prospects and cap space in 2-5 years. Management doesn’t want to do that and wants to make incremental improvements where they hope the team can go from a bottom feeder to a middle of the pack team that has regular playoff appearances. That plan just hopes for an ‘82 like Cinderella run where everything just breaks our way to make a deep run. A guy like Soucy is an incremental improvement that isn’t going to move the needle a lot. He will be better at helping keep the puck out of the net than OEL was. That is worth a couple extra wins a year, so it makes sense if that is the plan. Hronek will be worth an extra couple wins a year over Myers. A healthy Mikheyev (if an equivalent player doesn’t get hurt) is worth another couple of wins a year. Internal development from guys like Petterson is probably worth another couple wins a year. If everything goes well with all that, we are probably looking at being a 93-98 point team, which is the middle of the pack. The variance being how much better or worse the division teams we are competing most with are next year. To me Soucy is the type of player whose value raises come playoff time. Sure noticed him rattling our cages when we played MIN. And an upgrade over Brisbois or Rathbone or whomever. And provides and option on the PK. Depth. Agree with what you're saying above though, we need to add another top four D to make this work out for us. And a 3C. Think Soucy plus a 3C is doable. Or a top four D and maybe a modest PK improvement in our bottom six. Tough choices. Our division is becoming a bit of a beast right now. Cup winner. EDM is so much better than they used to be, and keep getting their playoff reps in. LA's Blake is showing JB how things should be done. And CAL isn't crap. Seattle...well wonder how good they can be with all their cap space? Honestly feel the OEL buyout is this cores last chance. Two years on the clock before it blows up OR makes the show. Edited June 26, 2023 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 On 6/23/2023 at 10:11 PM, Neutral said: Mayfield was underpaid for a long time and will want to try and cash in on a long term deal. I am curious if he is wanting something similar to what Colorado gave Josh Manson to extend 4 yr at 4.5m with a NTC I would love to see us somehow get Mayfiled and Soucey for the D. Then trade Beauvillier for a draft pick or prospect(C/RHD) to free just over another 4m so we can get a #3C. Compher likely gets overpaid and he is a right shot C. Maybe Alvin goes to an ex Penguin and signs Blueger and tries him and runs a 3a line with Blueger and 3b with Aman. Equal playing minutes for both C with PK time. Then we could ice: Mikheyev Pettersson Kuzmenko Hoglander Miller Boeser Podkolzin Blueger Garland Di Gusieppe/Pearson Aman Joshua Hughes Mayfield Soucey Hronek Wolanin Juulsen/Johansson/Burroughs/Bear(mid season return/if signed to new contract) Rathbone- traded at draft or claimed off waivers in fall Demko Martin/Delia Silovs AHL #1G I like it. Clip on the bald cap Allvin, there are trades to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylas Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) In a weak FA market he’ll probably get 3.5 million per year at a crazy term like 6 years, GM’s are desperate for a big dman that can kill penalties. even though he shouldn’t play in the top 4, apparently struggles when he plays over 16-17 minutes. Edited June 26, 2023 by Sylas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Just now, Sylas said: In a weak FA market he’ll probably get 3.5 million per year at a crazy term like 6 years, GM’s are desperate for a big dman that can kill penalties. I’d do 3x3.5 anything beyond that is too risky imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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