Elias Pettersson Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, mll said: Meier had a 10M qualifying offer. With NJD taking him to arbitration to by-pass that qualifying offer he was going to get at least 1 year at 8.5M in arbitration. Exactly. He was going to get the BO special, which is what all the arbitrators will use now. BO set the precedent for everyone else. Also, if you are paying a winger $8.5 million who is not even a PPG player then how much is a 100-point two-way centre going to cost? Petey gonna have his own special contract soon. And it will start with an 11... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Exactly. He was going to get the BO special, which is what all the arbitrators will use now. BO set the precedent for everyone else. Also, if you are paying a winger $8.5 million who is not even a PPG player then how much is a 100-point two-way centre going to cost? Petey gonna have his own special contract soon. And it will start with an 11... CBA doesn't allow for his award to be less than 85% of his last salary so 8.5M - part of the rules for team-elected arbitration in the 1st window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Exactly. He was going to get the BO special, which is what all the arbitrators will use now. BO set the precedent for everyone else. Also, if you are paying a winger $8.5 million who is not even a PPG player then how much is a 100-point two-way centre going to cost? Petey gonna have his own special contract soon. And it will start with an 11... If Petey wants to have a successful team, he will take 1M less and settle for 9.5-10M. Not many teams win Cups with players that start with an 11, especially during the flat Cap era 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Exactly. He was going to get the BO special, which is what all the arbitrators will use now. BO set the precedent for everyone else. Also, if you are paying a winger $8.5 million who is not even a PPG player then how much is a 100-point two-way centre going to cost? Petey gonna have his own special contract soon. And it will start with an 11... Btw arbitrators cannot use UFAs as comparable. Only RFAs because the award is only for RFA years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, mll said: Bahl not going to cost all that much just yet unless they go longer term. Graves is asking for too much right now and he might end up UFA. McLeod is RFA - no reason for them to trade him. NJD still such a young team. This was the 1st taste of the playoffs for so many players and they still have to figure out how to be effective in the post-season. Going all in is premature. Schmid might just be their starter when they go all in but probably needs another year in Utica. Pity the 2024 2nd was traded; Bahl would be worth an offer sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, mll said: McLeod is RFA - no reason for them to trade him. I think he’s got 3 centres ahead of him, and made a case for a raise. He may also have some risk due to the Hockey Canada investigation (also a reason for us to be cautious) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Just now, Kenny Powers said: I think he’s got 3 centres ahead of him, and made a case for a raise. He may also have some risk due to the Hockey Canada investigation (also a reason for us to be cautious) Only Hischier and Hughes. McLeod was C3 to end the playoffs. Haula played a lot of wing - mostly with Hughes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, mll said: Only Hischier and Hughes. McLeod was C3 to end the playoffs. Haula played a lot of wing - mostly with Hughes. Ah, ok. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Im curious to see who will live up to their contract better between BO and TIMO and not just in points but in impact / fit and playoff performance. I think TIMO could be set up for success better. I honestly wouldn't want either contract tho But I am leaning Timo here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, grandmaster said: If Petey wants to have a successful team, he will take 1M less and settle for 9.5-10M. Not many teams win Cups with players that start with an 11, especially during the flat Cap era Sure, I agree. However, Petey is not even an RFA yet. The flat cap era is gone. Cap will rise significantly over the next 2-3 years. Matthews extension will be the key. If he is at $14-15 million, then there is no way Petey is only signing for 10. Depends on how the other contracts go. Also, Petey would be signing basically his retirement contract that will take him to age 34. So even a $1 million difference is $8 million overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Have to remember this on a EP deal.He wants a 20 team no trade or nmc anything like that the price goes down. I think he should get no more then 10.5 over 8 seasons with a modified no trade. This way we flop some how and he's unhappy he has some say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Provost said: This was the key to the Canucks last winning team. A bunch of guys making half a million or more below full market value adds up to a couple of other high end players. Conversely, a bunch of guys making a million more than they are worth kills your chance to be competitive really quickly. If a team is spending to the cap, it seems like like players should realize that, rather than wonder why they didn’t win and sign $1 million contracts at the end of their careers in vain hopes for a Cup. The difference between $60 million and $70 million in career earnings isn’t going to change their lives or their kids’ lives very much. Spending your career on a team that is a perennial winner, rather than bottom feeder certainly does change your life. Many of them received lengthy deals (many with NTCs) in exchange for that lower cap hit. As opposed to the last management who handed out those NTC clauses without receiving a lower cap hit in return (eg., Jay Beagle, Myers,etc). Edited June 23, 2023 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, King Heffy said: Pity the 2024 2nd was traded; Bahl would be worth an offer sheet. Wonder what it would take to get our 2nd back from Chi? Would we have the bahls to leverage an offer sheet? Edited June 23, 2023 by Kenny Powers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said: Wonder what it would take to get our 2nd back from Chi? Would we have the bahls to leverage an offer sheet? Myers and a swap of 1sts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 43 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Myers and a swap of 1sts? Depending on who’s left at our spot, I don’t mind the idea of going back a few spots, but past 15 seems too far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: So Horvat set the market for everyone else, go figure. The 8.5x8 contract will officially forever be known as the BO special... Only difference is that guys like Meier will actually prove to be offensive juggernauts. Bo's ceiling is what we saw this year and his hot/cold game was apparent when he joined the Islanders. He will be great for stretches, then disappear for some. So glad we didn't sign him to that deal cause he don't play with fire like our boy JT!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 21 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: 11.5x8 I'm thinking north of 10, for sure. If it's under, bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 21 hours ago, grandmaster said: If Petey wants to have a successful team, he will take 1M less and settle for 9.5-10M. Not many teams win Cups with players that start with an 11, especially during the flat Cap era That's so true. See exhibit A: The Laffs! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 25 minutes ago, BarnBurner said: That's so true. See exhibit A: The Laffs! At the end of the day it’s a team sport and you can’t rely on 2 or 3 players. Oilers just as guilty. Petey has to know this and one thing I will say of European players is that the Cup matters less to them versus North American players. We will soon see how much Petey values a winning team versus maximum money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, grandmaster said: At the end of the day it’s a team sport and you can’t rely on 2 or 3 players. Oilers just as guilty. Petey has to know this and one thing I will say of European players is that the Cup matters less to them versus North American players. We will soon see how much Petey values a winning team versus maximum money. Yes, you are correct, the Oilers are guilty as charged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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