(Speculation) Senators, Canucks Could Be Teams To Watch On Trade Market

[PhillipBlunt]

1 minute ago, Strawbone said:

I think you're right that he'll try. If both are moved in this market without including too many sweeteners, I'll be really impressed.

Same. It's possible, and I think Alvin stands a better than chance of pulling it off than the dimbulb that preceded him. 

[Strawbone]

9 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Same. It's possible, and I think Alvin stands a better than chance of pulling it off than the dimbulb that preceded him. 

Agreed. Alvin does not seem like someone who will be coerced in to a bad deal out of desperation. He's quietly impressed me since he started the job, and I had my doubts the first few months.

[PhillipBlunt]

8 minutes ago, Strawbone said:

Agreed. Alvin does not seem like someone who will be coerced in to a bad deal out of desperation. He's quietly impressed me since he started the job, and I had my doubts the first few months.

likewise

[DeNiro]

10 minutes ago, Strawbone said:

Agreed. Alvin does not seem like someone who will be coerced in to a bad deal out of desperation. He's quietly impressed me since he started the job, and I had my doubts the first few months.

Conservative when he needs to be conservative (sticking to his guns with Horvat) and aggressive when he needs to be aggressive (trading for Hronek at the deadline, buying out OEL).

[Maninthebox]

The Horvat deal was far from impressive, and needed the Hronek deal to salvage it. Barely.

[Alflives]

Maybe Myers is already traded (handshake agreement) and it will be confirmed after his bonus is paid?  Woo makes our club coming out of camp and will play those Myers' minutes. 

[Alflives]

Just now, Maninthebox said:

The Horvat deal was far from impressive, and needed the Hronek deal to salvage it. Barely.

Nope. dumperooing the elephant in our room Horfat Wallet and his selfish play and greedy contract attitude was what set the wheels in motion for us to grow into a winning club. We dumperood Boo Hoo for three pieces that are better than he is! Huge win for us! So glad that Fat Wallet is gone. 

[DeNiro]

3 minutes ago, Maninthebox said:

The Horvat deal was far from impressive, and needed the Hronek deal to salvage it. Barely.

The scope of the deal can’t be known yet as Raty is still developing and Beauvillier can still bring a return.
 

Not to mention whether Hronek can be a core piece for us.

[Maninthebox]

8 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

The scope of the deal can’t be known yet as Raty is still developing and Beauvillier can still bring a return.
 

Not to mention whether Hronek can be a core piece for us.

Then what is impressive..? Sub par return for Horvat, somewhat balanced by an arguably high cost to aquire the uncertainty of Hronek. What am I missing?

 

OEL buyout? Recent depth signings? If I was looking for a word to describe PA's dealing this past year, I think I'd lean toward "meh".

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, Maninthebox said:

Then what is impressive..? Sub par return for Horvat, somewhat balanced by an arguably high cost to aquire the uncertainty of Hronek. What am I missing?

 

OEL buyout? Recent depth signings? If I was looking for a word to describe PA's dealing this past year, I think I'd lean toward "meh".

Again, you are totally wrong. Horfat Wallet was the elephant in our room. If we got nothing back it's a win just to dumperoo him and his selfishness. But we got three players better than him. That's winning. 

[Maninthebox]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Again, you are totally wrong. Horfat Wallet was the elephant in our room. If we got nothing back it's a win just to dumperoo him and his selfishness. But we got three players better than him. That's winning. 

Apologies Alf, I just can't take anything you say seriously. I've always respected Deniro's opinions on these forums, so hopefully he can enlighten me. Enjoy your re-runs!

[Curmudgeon]

15 minutes ago, Maninthebox said:

OEL buyout? Recent depth signings? If I was looking for a word to describe PA's dealing this past year, I think I'd lean toward "meh".

You obviously haven't been paying attention. Just so you know, I have kept track of every transaction that Allvin and company have made. It is anything but meh.

 

Signed FA Arshdeep Bains

Signed C Linus Karlsson

Signed Swedish UFA Nils Aman

Signed LD Christian Wolanin

Signed LW Andrei Kuzmenko to Entry Level, one-year deal, bonus laden. Then extended him for two more years.

Signed C/W Curtis Lazar to 3-year contract for $3 miliion, $1 million AAV. (Later trade for 4th roind pick 2023)

Signed RW Ilya Mikheyev to a 4-year, $19 million contract, $4.75 million AAV.

Signed C Dakota Joshua to a two-year, 1-way deal for $1.65 million, or $825 AAV.

Signed G Collin Delia to a one-year, one way contract for $750K.

Signed LD Wyatt Kalynuk to a one year, $750K contract. (Later traded for future considerations)

Signed LW Phil di Giuseppe to a 1-yr, $750K contract.

Traded C Jason Dickinson to Chicago for LD Riley Stillman (Later traded to Buffalo for LW Josh Bloom)

Traded G Mikey DiPietro and D Jonathan Myrenberg to Boston for C Jack Studnicka

Traded 5th Round 2023 to Carolina for RD Ethan Bear and minor leaguer C Lane Pederson

Lost C Lane Pederson on waivers to Columbus

Traded C Bo Horvat to NY Islanders for RW Anthony Beauvillier, C Aatu Raty and a conditional 1st round pick, either in 23 or 24

Traded RW Will Lockwood + 7th 2026 to New York Rangers for F Vitali Kravtsov

Traded D Riley Stillman to Buffalo for prospect LW Josh Bloom

Traded D Luke Schenn to Toronto for 3rd round 2023.

Traded NYI’s 1st round 2023 and Van 2nd round 2023 for RD Philip Hronek and Detroit’s 4th round 2023

Traded Curtis Lazar to New Jersey for 4th round 2024

Traded D Wyatt Kalynuk to New York Rangers for future considerations

Extended D Guillaume Brisebois for 2 years at $775K ($375K in the AHL) in first year and $775K in second year

Signed LD Kirill Kudryavtsev to a 3-year, entry level contract

Extended LW Phil Di Giuseppe to a two-year, two-way contract

Signed LW Aidan McDonough to a two-year, entry level contract

Extended Christian Wolanin to a two-year, two-way contract ($775K NHL and $500K AHL)

Signed NCAA C Max Sasson to a two-year, entry level contract

Signed NCAA LD Akito Hirose to a one-year, two-way contract

Signed G Nikita Tolopilo to two-year entry level contract. A Latvian, Tolopilo played with Sodertalje in the Allsvenskan.

Signed RD Cole McWard to two-year entry level contract. From Ohio State U, 39GP 9G 12A  21PTS

Signed LD Elias Pettersson to three-year, entry level contract. Will play one more year in Sweden with Orebro., SHL

Signed RW Jonathan Lekkerimaki to three-year, entry level contract. Loaned him to Orebro, SHL

Signed D Jett Woo to one-year, two-way deal. $775K at NHL level and $100K at AHL level.

Bought out D Oliver Ekman-Larsson

Signed C Pius Suter to two-year, $1.6 AAV contract. Played last year with Detroit.

 

NHL Entry Draft at Nashville

Round 1, 11th : Tom Willander, RD, 6’1”, 185. Played for Rogle in Swedish J20. 4-21-25 22PIM +7. Will play 23/24 at Boston U., NCAA.

Round 3, 75th : Hunter Brzustewicz, RD, 6’0”, 190. Played for Kitchener OHL. 6-51-57 12PIM +8

Round 3, 89th : Sawyer Mynio, LD, 6’1”, 173. Played for Seattle, WHL. 2-26-31 40PIM +50

Round 4, 105 : Ty Mueller, LC, 5’11”, 195. Played for U.Nebraska-Omaha, NCAA. 12-13-25 4PIM +9

Round 4, 107 : Vilmer Alriksson, LW 6’6”, 214. Played for Djurgardens J20.12-9-21 22PIM.  Will play 23/24 at Guelph, OHL.

Round 4, 119 : Matthew Perkins, LC, 5’11”, 156. Played for Youngstownm, USHL. 15-29-44, 77PIM

Round 6, 171 : Aiden Celebrini, RD, 6’1”, 187. Played for Brooks, AJHL. 5-16-21 82PIM. Will play 23/24 at Boston U., NCAA.

 

Free agency day

: Teddy Blueger, LC, 1yr x $1.9M. 28 years old, 4-12-14, 14 PIM, -2. ATOI 12:55

: Ian Cole, LD, 1 yr x $3M. 34 years old, 6’1” 225. 3-14-17, 61 PIM, +13 ATOI 19:23

: Carson Soucy, LD 3 years x $3.25M. 28 years old, 6’5”, 208,3-23-16, 68 PIM, +18 ATOI 16:18

: Matt Irwin, LD, 1 Year, $775K NHL, $450K AHL. 35 years old, 6’2”, 200, 2-3-5, 36PIM, -8. ATOI 13:02

: Zach Sawchenko, G, 1 year, $775K NHL, $200K AHL. 25 years old, 6’1, 185. 1-2-1, 3.35 GAA, .901 Sv%

 

 

[IBatch]

29 minutes ago, Maninthebox said:

Then what is impressive..? Sub par return for Horvat, somewhat balanced by an arguably high cost to aquire the uncertainty of Hronek. What am I missing?

 

OEL buyout? Recent depth signings? If I was looking for a word to describe PA's dealing this past year, I think I'd lean toward "meh".

What you're missing, is the cost to keep him.  Is it ok to pay a second line center, which  8.5 x 8?   And have no way to trade him... buyout candidate late in his career.  That's the opportunity cost you're missing out on.  And given it was his last season, no term left - what do you really think there was a better deal available?    That's not a sub-par return.   It was market return.    Suppose we could have kept NYI first, Button said if we didn't trade that for Hronek, might as well traded EP and QHs, 100% agree with that.   Something we could be doing anyways depending on this next season.   Horvat at 8.5 x 8 yikes even Lou said it was way too much after he signed him.    And he's right.

 

Edit:  The other stuff is meh.  Aside from Soucy.   Just patchwork.   Don't blame him for OEL.   He's got all the data.  But not sure I like that either.   

Edited September 8, 2023 by IBatch

[DeNiro]

25 minutes ago, Maninthebox said:

Then what is impressive..? Sub par return for Horvat, somewhat balanced by an arguably high cost to aquire the uncertainty of Hronek. What am I missing?

 

OEL buyout? Recent depth signings? If I was looking for a word to describe PA's dealing this past year, I think I'd lean toward "meh".

You’re assuming too many things.

 

How do you know Raty doesn’t keep developing into a very good second line center?

 

What if Hronek is locked in and puts up 50-60 points while being a good two way D man?

 

What if Beauviller established himself as a really good second line winger here, or at the very least fetches a 2nd round pick at the deadline?

 

All of those things are very possible which is why it’s too early to know the full scope. I’ve seen lots of deals that people immediately praised that turned out to be a bunch of nothing later.

 

A roster player, prospect, and pick is pretty standard in any deal. Especially for a pending UFA at the deadline.

[IBatch]

6 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

You’re assuming too many things.

 

How do you know Raty doesn’t keep developing into a very good second line center?

 

What if Hronek is locked in and puts up 50-60 points while being a good two way D man?

 

What if Beauviller established himself as a really good second line winger here, or at the very least fetches a 2nd round pick at the deadline?

 

All of those things are very possible which is why it’s too early to know the full scope. I’ve seen lots of deals that people immediately praised that turned out to be a bunch of nothing later.

 

A roster player, prospect, and pick is pretty standard in any deal. Especially for a pending UFA at the deadline.

Yes.   I get the negative spin.   Team needed "major" surgery.    And he was the sacrifice.    That said, we wouldn't be so bad if he signed to a reasonable deal either.   Horvat went into last season as an individual more than a Captain.   Look what Linden did.  Without a contract went to camp anyways.   Not the same as last season,  Horvat seemed to lose more and more interest.   Didn't back-check like he used too.   Doing the motions with the media etc. 

Edited September 8, 2023 by IBatch

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, IBatch said:

Yes.   I get the negative spin.   Team needed "major" surgery.    And he was the sacrifice.    That said, we wouldn't be so bad if he signed to a reasonable deal either.   Horvat went into last season as an individual more than a Captain.   Look what Linden did.  Without a contract went to camp anyways.   Not the same as last season. 

The fact is we couldn’t justify what he was asking for.

We weren’t just going to lock in the same team that couldn’t get it done. This team needed changes.

 

No team was going to offer us anything significant unless there was an extension in place. The Isles were clearly the only ones that weren’t scared away by his high demand.

 

He went for the money, good for him. We need a captain that will sacrifice for his team though.

[canuck73_3]

55 minutes ago, Maninthebox said:

The Horvat deal was far from impressive, and needed the Hronek deal to salvage it. Barely.

L take, not surprised. 

[IBatch]

Just now, DeNiro said:

The fact is we couldn’t justify what he was asking for.

We weren’t just going to lock in the same team that couldn’t get it done. This team needed changes.

 

No team was going to offer us anything significant unless there was an extension in place. The Isles were clearly the only ones that weren’t scared away by his high demand.

 

He went for the money, good for him. We need a captain that will sacrifice for his team though.

Well said.   Hope Horvat can recover his scoring touch and have lots of success with the NYI.   A lot of his goals since he went on a tear, were tip ins.   Not sure whose shots he's going to tip in there, but he for sure found his niche.     And sure he's got a career season ahead of him yet as well.  

 

Was hoping to keep him.   In the end it worked out for us, in cap space, and them because they needed another guy too. 

[canuck73_3]

23 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said:

You obviously haven't been paying attention. Just so you know, I have kept track of every transaction that Allvin and company have made. It is anything but meh.

 

Signed FA Arshdeep Bains

Signed C Linus Karlsson

Signed Swedish UFA Nils Aman

Signed LD Christian Wolanin

Signed LW Andrei Kuzmenko to Entry Level, one-year deal, bonus laden. Then extended him for two more years.

Signed C/W Curtis Lazar to 3-year contract for $3 miliion, $1 million AAV. (Later trade for 4th roind pick 2023)

Signed RW Ilya Mikheyev to a 4-year, $19 million contract, $4.75 million AAV.

Signed C Dakota Joshua to a two-year, 1-way deal for $1.65 million, or $825 AAV.

Signed G Collin Delia to a one-year, one way contract for $750K.

Signed LD Wyatt Kalynuk to a one year, $750K contract. (Later traded for future considerations)

Signed LW Phil di Giuseppe to a 1-yr, $750K contract.

Traded C Jason Dickinson to Chicago for LD Riley Stillman (Later traded to Buffalo for LW Josh Bloom)

Traded G Mikey DiPietro and D Jonathan Myrenberg to Boston for C Jack Studnicka

Traded 5th Round 2023 to Carolina for RD Ethan Bear and minor leaguer C Lane Pederson

Lost C Lane Pederson on waivers to Columbus

Traded C Bo Horvat to NY Islanders for RW Anthony Beauvillier, C Aatu Raty and a conditional 1st round pick, either in 23 or 24

Traded RW Will Lockwood + 7th 2026 to New York Rangers for F Vitali Kravtsov

Traded D Riley Stillman to Buffalo for prospect LW Josh Bloom

Traded D Luke Schenn to Toronto for 3rd round 2023.

Traded NYI’s 1st round 2023 and Van 2nd round 2023 for RD Philip Hronek and Detroit’s 4th round 2023

Traded Curtis Lazar to New Jersey for 4th round 2024

Traded D Wyatt Kalynuk to New York Rangers for future considerations

Extended D Guillaume Brisebois for 2 years at $775K ($375K in the AHL) in first year and $775K in second year

Signed LD Kirill Kudryavtsev to a 3-year, entry level contract

Extended LW Phil Di Giuseppe to a two-year, two-way contract

Signed LW Aidan McDonough to a two-year, entry level contract

Extended Christian Wolanin to a two-year, two-way contract ($775K NHL and $500K AHL)

Signed NCAA C Max Sasson to a two-year, entry level contract

Signed NCAA LD Akito Hirose to a one-year, two-way contract

Signed G Nikita Tolopilo to two-year entry level contract. A Latvian, Tolopilo played with Sodertalje in the Allsvenskan.

Signed RD Cole McWard to two-year entry level contract. From Ohio State U, 39GP 9G 12A  21PTS

Signed LD Elias Pettersson to three-year, entry level contract. Will play one more year in Sweden with Orebro., SHL

Signed RW Jonathan Lekkerimaki to three-year, entry level contract. Loaned him to Orebro, SHL

Signed D Jett Woo to one-year, two-way deal. $775K at NHL level and $100K at AHL level.

Bought out D Oliver Ekman-Larsson

Signed C Pius Suter to two-year, $1.6 AAV contract. Played last year with Detroit.

 

NHL Entry Draft at Nashville

Round 1, 11th : Tom Willander, RD, 6’1”, 185. Played for Rogle in Swedish J20. 4-21-25 22PIM +7. Will play 23/24 at Boston U., NCAA.

Round 3, 75th : Hunter Brzustewicz, RD, 6’0”, 190. Played for Kitchener OHL. 6-51-57 12PIM +8

Round 3, 89th : Sawyer Mynio, LD, 6’1”, 173. Played for Seattle, WHL. 2-26-31 40PIM +50

Round 4, 105 : Ty Mueller, LC, 5’11”, 195. Played for U.Nebraska-Omaha, NCAA. 12-13-25 4PIM +9

Round 4, 107 : Vilmer Alriksson, LW 6’6”, 214. Played for Djurgardens J20.12-9-21 22PIM.  Will play 23/24 at Guelph, OHL.

Round 4, 119 : Matthew Perkins, LC, 5’11”, 156. Played for Youngstownm, USHL. 15-29-44, 77PIM

Round 6, 171 : Aiden Celebrini, RD, 6’1”, 187. Played for Brooks, AJHL. 5-16-21 82PIM. Will play 23/24 at Boston U., NCAA.

 

Free agency day

: Teddy Blueger, LC, 1yr x $1.9M. 28 years old, 4-12-14, 14 PIM, -2. ATOI 12:55

: Ian Cole, LD, 1 yr x $3M. 34 years old, 6’1” 225. 3-14-17, 61 PIM, +13 ATOI 19:23

: Carson Soucy, LD 3 years x $3.25M. 28 years old, 6’5”, 208,3-23-16, 68 PIM, +18 ATOI 16:18

: Matt Irwin, LD, 1 Year, $775K NHL, $450K AHL. 35 years old, 6’2”, 200, 2-3-5, 36PIM, -8. ATOI 13:02

: Zach Sawchenko, G, 1 year, $775K NHL, $200K AHL. 25 years old, 6’1, 185. 1-2-1, 3.35 GAA, .901 Sv%

 

 

Anyone calling that meh is delusional

[Drakrami]

Friedman always report on things that generate headline, but after you read the report, there's like 0 substance to it.