Popular Post RWJC Posted September 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) Senators, Canucks Could Be Teams To Watch On Trade Market September 8th, 2023 at 11:22am CST • By Josh Erickson Speaking on today’s edition of the 32 Thoughtspodcast, Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman believes trade talks are beginning to heat up across the league once again, mainly incited by teams looking to clear players off their roster pre-season to alleviate roster or salary cap crunches. To that end, he identified the Ottawa Senators and Vancouver Canucks as significant players to watch over the coming days as training camps approach. In Ottawa’s case, this is, of course, influenced by their lack of flexibility to re-sign RFA center Shane Pinto. The 22-year-old remains without a contract for this season after potting 20 goals in 2022-23, and he commands more than the paltry $895K in salary cap space Ottawa has remaining, per CapFriendly’s projection. It’s drawn out long enough that trade speculation is beginning to arise about Pinto’s signing rights, but Senators general manager Pierre Dorion would obviously rather retain their 2019 32nd overall pick. ADVERTISEMENT As Friedman notes, Pinto has very little leverage in negotiations, as he carries a 10.2(c) designation and is ineligible to sign an offer sheet. That means Ottawa likely won’t need to clear massive amounts of cap space to sign Pinto to a bridge deal, but a move still needs to be made – that $895K projection already figures a bare-minimum roster of 18 skaters and two goaltenders. Evolving Hockey’s contract projection model predicts a two-year, $1.88MM AAV deal for Pinto, assuming it’s signed between August 1st and the start of the regular season. If Pinto holds out into the season, that projection drops slightly to a $1.805MM AAV on a two-year deal. Vancouver’s potential activity spurs from the health of Tanner Pearson, who fortunately projects to be healthy for the 2023-24 campaign after a persistent (and controversially handled) hand injury nearly cost him his career last season. His availability creates both a roster and cap crunch for Vancouver, as his $3.25MM cap hit would suddenly factor into their day-to-day picture and not sit on LTIR as previously expected. He would also likely factor into a third-line role, potentially alongside Conor Garland and Pius Suter. Pearson’s trade value will likely be minimal with other teams wary of his health, so shopping a depth player like Garland (and his $4.95MM cap hit) would likely return better value for general manager Patrik Allvin. While some have criticized Garland’s tenure in Vancouver, he’s a winger who consistently puts up between 40 and 60 points, can play a top-six role, and is cost-controlled through 2026 without trade protection. He’s the type of player a few teams looking to fill gaps in their forward group would be interested in. ADVERTISEMENT Garland also seems like the most likely candidate because the Canucks’ realistic trade options are limited beyond him. They just signed Teddy Blueger in free agency, players like Dakota Joshua have shown to be reliable bottom-six presences and are on cost-effective deals, and they’d be selling low on younger prospects like Nils Höglander or Vasily Podkolzin. At first glance, however, it seems like a tough time in the offseason to perform cap-clearing maneuvers. Most teams already have their rosters relatively set, and some teams close to contention with obvious holes don’t have the space to make maneuvers. Of teams with cap space to spare, the Chicago Blackhawks jump out as a lone destination where acquiring a veteran wouldn’t cost a spot for a younger player needing significant NHL ice time – they still could use a few more bodies to fill out their opening-night roster. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2023/09/senators-canucks-could-be-teams-to-watch-on-trade-market.html#ref=home Edited September 8, 2023 by RWJC 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronic.Canuck Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 I applaud your efforts in sharing all these articles this week but the formatting is murder on the eyes - anyone else? Can you provide a link as well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) Columbus looks to be the best trading partner for us. If they can work out a Garland for Peeke trade it makes sense for both sides. Still need a top 4 but at least it gives us more depth on the right side. Hughes Hronek Cole Peeke Soucy Myers Then after Myers is traded the pairs can be: Hughes Bear Cole Hronek Soucy Peeke Thats a nasty bottom pair that plays big and can move the puck. Exactly what Tocchett is looking for. Edited September 8, 2023 by DeNiro 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 I wonder if Ottawa is just waiting for a Batherson suspension to make the space for Pinto. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chronic.Canuck said: I applaud your efforts in sharing all these articles this week but the formatting is murder on the eyes - anyone else? Can you provide a link as well? I’ll consider it if you say please. Done. No link, but I’ll see what I can find. Text is copied from an app on my phone hence the formatting issues (I deal with it too when trying to post) 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Columbus looks to be the best trading partner for us. If they can work out a Garland for Peeke trade it makes sense for both sides. Still need a top 4 but at least it gives us more depth on the right side. Hughes Hronek Cole Peeke Soucy Myers That 6 is very competent, tho I am very confident one of our ahl dmen are ready to take the step and be full timers on the big club, pulling in assets that could set us up for moves in the near future when we have a better understanding of our roster needs is what I would ideally like to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, LegionOfDoom said: That 6 is very competent, tho I am very confident one of our ahl dmen are ready to take the step and be full timers on the big club, pulling in assets that could set us up for moves in the near future when we have a better understanding of our roster needs is what I would ideally like to see Would love to finally solve the issue of a long term partner for Hughes but I’m not sure it will happen this season. Having Bear fill in for now isn’t the worst thing. Although I’m still hopeful we can upgrade there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Simple solution. Garland for Pinto Canucks can never have enough pivots 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryElf Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Simple solution. Garland for Pinto Canucks can never have enough pivots Senators have no cap space, hence the lack of room to sign Pinto. Wouldn't be surprised to see Chabot get shopped quietly now that Sanderson's signed, and they have Chychrun. Edited September 8, 2023 by AngryElf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) Chicago currently has almost 13 mill in cap space. I could envision a trade involving us and them for either Myers or a Garland or both. Might involve a 2nd or 3rd round pick from us too. Return would probably be something like Seth Jones. jk, I’d imagine we’d see Zaitsev asked to waive his NMC and a depth prospect and a 4th or 5th in return. Edited September 8, 2023 by RWJC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post higgyfan Posted September 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2023 Friedman overlooked the value of UFA Beau. 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Columbus looks to be the best trading partner for us. If they can work out a Garland for Peeke trade it makes sense for both sides. Still need a top 4 but at least it gives us more depth on the right side. Hughes Hronek Cole Peeke Soucy Myers Then after Myers is traded the pairs can be: Hughes Bear Cole Hronek Soucy Peeke Thats a nasty bottom pair that plays big and can move the puck. Exactly what Tocchett is looking for. They mentioned Garland paying with Pearson and Suter, Myers or Beauvillier are the likely candidates to go imo Edited September 8, 2023 by canuck73_3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 34 minutes ago, RWJC said: I’ll consider it if you say please. Done. No link, but I’ll see what I can find. Text is copied from an app on my phone hence the formatting issues (I deal with it too when trying to post) Formatting looks fine to me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 I'm betting that Garland is gone before the start of training camp, as Beau will be too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I'm betting that Garland is gone before the start of training camp, as Beau will be too. Bold call. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Strawbone said: Bold call. I like it. I can't see Alvin not trying to move these two. I think he'll find a willing partner to trade with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 39 minutes ago, AngryElf said: Senators have no cap space, hence the lack of room to sign Pinto. Wouldn't be surprised to see Chabot get shopped quietly now that Sanderson's signed, and they have Chychrun. Damn. Didn't realize they were that tight to the cap. Guessing that Tarasenko is trade bait though and there's a good chance kubalik is gone as well by the TDL if they falter. As well, as a side note Hamonic is on an Uber cheap contract through next year and could be shed for depth. They'll have to do something for sure. Id absolutely love to see a way of getting Pinto myself. 6 foot 3 200 pound right shooting centre that has done nothing but improve and is only 22 That's exactly what this club needs for the future 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I can't see Alvin not trying to move these two. I think he'll find a willing partner to trade with. I think you're right that he'll try. If both are moved in this market without including too many sweeteners, I'll be really impressed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 This isn’t really news…? we kinda already saw this coming months ago the Canucks can massage their cap with the roster they have with running a 22 man roster if need be or mikheyev goes on IR to start the year so there isn’t too much pressure 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KKnight Posted September 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2023 I'm guessing Beauvillier is traded before the start of the season. 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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