DonLever Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Donald Trump has a 20 point lead over his nearest competitor, Ted Cruz, 36 -16, according to the latest CNN poll. http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/12/04/cnn-poll-gives-trump-20-point-lead-in-gop-race/ So unless something unexpected happens, Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee for President of the USA. He will probably not win but his campaign will be the most entertaining in history. It should be noted that establishment Republicans hate his guts and wish he will go away. The establishment Republicans prefer someone like Jeb Bush but he has less than 5% of the vote. So the quandary for these guys is should we just get rid of Trump by kicking him out of the Republican party because of his outrageous views or stick with him anyway. Kicking him out means he will run as a 3rd party candidate, splitting the right wing vote, paving the way for Hilary Clinton to win. Stick with Trump and they going lose for sure too. Either way, the Republicans are doomed for winning the presidency as long as Trump is around. Update: (Dec. 14) Washington (CNN)Donald Trump has hit a new milestone in national polling, garnering 41% of the Republican vote in a new national poll. Trump is at 41% in a Monmouth University poll out Monday, holding a wide advantage over his GOP challengers. His support was up from 28% in October. In second was the rising Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, at 14%; followed by Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, at 10%. Ben Carson was at 9%, down 9 points from October, and all other candidates were in the low single digits. Cruz and Rubio both were up 4 points since October's poll, a shift within the poll's margin of sampling error. The candidates are heading into their next Republican debate on Tuesday in Las Vegas, hosted by CNN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Simply put and I do firmly believe this. Trump will step down at the last minute and use whoever replaces him as the GOP lead to ...grease his business wheels after taking office should they win POTUS. Trump doesn't have the stones to lead a country no matter what some of the ignorant yokels might say. he has never led a thing in his life. His dad loaned him his start up money, his grandpa set him up a board of trustees and advisers in his last 2 weeks alive on this planet, his dad further lent advisers and credit on top of money. He's been bankrupt 4 times, 2 of which were simply to avoid paying lenders and creditors. His wives have all been immigrants, his kids are entitled monsters and look at his rallies. There is one common theme. Hate the muslims mexicans and black people, and then of course someone gets "escorted out" or attacked. NOTHING would make me happier than seeing Trump maintain and win the nomination to face Bernie Sanders. Corporate welfare vs social welfare. either go to war with another country, or civil war within the US again. Summarized...trump is an absolute loser of a human being and I question anyone who genuinely supports him based on his record vs what he has been saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 As crazy as Trump may seem, his rivals aren't any better, so they might as well go with Trump. Now the GOP now just appeals to racists, gun nuts, or racist gun nuts, and there's no choice but for the non-crazy mainstream to fully embrace a neoliberalized dem party, and even if Bernie Sanders is winging around in the background there's still going to be a bunch of shady socioeconomic developments, fearmongering and warmongering to be had for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Wow. Now excuse me but I have to go Repent. The end is nigh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Simply put and I do firmly believe this. Trump will step down at the last minute and use whoever replaces him as the GOP lead to ...grease his business wheels after taking office should they win POTUS. Trump doesn't have the stones to lead a country no matter what some of the ignorant yokels might say. he has never led a thing in his life. His dad loaned him his start up money, his grandpa set him up a board of trustees and advisers in his last 2 weeks alive on this planet, his dad further lent advisers and credit on top of money. He's been bankrupt 4 times, 2 of which were simply to avoid paying lenders and creditors. His wives have all been immigrants, his kids are entitled monsters and look at his rallies. There is one common theme. Hate the muslims mexicans and black people, and then of course someone gets "escorted out" or attacked. NOTHING would make me happier than seeing Trump maintain and win the nomination to face Bernie Sanders. Corporate welfare vs social welfare. either go to war with another country, or civil war within the US again. Summarized...trump is an absolute loser of a human being and I question anyone who genuinely supports him based on his record vs what he has been saying I have a similar opinion of him as you do. However, for the record he's never declared a personal bankruptcy. The ones you speak of were corporate. There is a big difference there. His second wife was an American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Why do we assume he wouldn't win the Presidency? Never underestimate America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 13 minutes ago, MJDDawg said: Wow. Now excuse me but I have to go Repent. The end is nigh! Not even a joke the signs are coming into fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 22 minutes ago, drummer4now said: Not even a joke the signs are coming into fruition. People have been saying this for over a thousand years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Matt Taibbi: The GOP Clown Car Rolls On On the campaign trail with the most dishonest, bumbling and underqualified pack of presidential candidates in history http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-clown-car-rolls-on-20151117 Quote Not one of them can win, but one must. That's the paradox of the race for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, fast becoming the signature event in the history of black comedy. Conventional wisdom says that with the primaries and caucuses rapidly approaching, front-running nuts Donald Trump and Dr. Ben Carson must soon give way to the "real" candidates. But behind Trump and Carson is just more abyss. As I found out on a recent trip to New Hampshire, the rest of the field is either just as crazy or as dangerous as the current poll leaders, or too bumbling to win. Inside the GOP Clown Car » Disaster could be averted if Americans on both the left and the right suddenly decide to be more mature about this, neither backing obvious mental incompetents, nor snickering about those who do. But that doesn't seem probable. Instead, HashtagClownCar will almost certainly continue to be the most darkly ridiculous political story since Henry II of Champagne, the 12th-century king of Jerusalem, plunged to his death after falling out of a window with a dwarf. Just after noon, Wednesday, November 4th. I'm in Hollis, New Hampshire, a little town not far from the Massachusetts border. The Hollis pharmacy is owned by Vahrij Manoukian, a Lebanese immigrant who is the former chairman of the Hillsborough County Republican Committee. If you come into his establishment looking for aspirin, you have to first survive dozens of pictures of the cannonball-shape businessman glad-handing past and present GOP hopefuls like Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Rudy Giuliani. Primary season is about who most successfully kisses the asses of such local burghers, and the big test in Hollis today is going to be taken by onetime presumptive front-runner Jeb Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said: I have a similar opinion of him as you do. However, for the record he's never declared a personal bankruptcy. The ones you speak of were corporate. There is a big difference there. His second wife was an American. I didn't speak of him personally. I use Trump as the brand in that context. But trumpeting how great he is with money is ridiculous. as was stated before, he could have shoved all of his money (dads money) into simply following the DOW Index and he'd be worth over $8 billion now instead of around $2 billion. Also, I thought his second was was born out of country, so if not that's on me my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 God help us if Trump is the man who has control of the Nuclear missile launch codes! Think about that for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 7 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said: God help us if Trump is the man who has control of the Nuclear missile launch codes! Think about that for a second. In the 2008 presidential election the GOP ran John McCain who at the time was a nearly 72 year old three time cancer survivor. If anything had happened to him the launch codes would have been in the hands of Sarah Palin. Think about THAT for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 This is good news for Hillary, I suppose.... Although I'm hard pressed to think of a GOP candidate that wouldn't be good news for the Dems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Haven't followed the race too closely, just shocked that Jeb Bush is so low. Out of that whole group he is the only one I see that would have a snowballs chance of winning the presidency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Dem is win the presidency. Then I can consider moving back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 hours ago, Wilbur said: Haven't followed the race too closely, just shocked that Jeb Bush is so low. Out of that whole group he is the only one I see that would have a snowballs chance of winning the presidency. I honestly think being George W's BROTHSR is dragging him down, albeit perhaps unfairly. George W. Bush is not a well liked man in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 This is great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Trump is 100000000x better than Ted Cruz. You do not want Ted Cruz as president. That would be an absolute &^@#ing disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 10 minutes ago, peaches5 said: Trump is 100000000x better than Ted Cruz. You do not want Ted Cruz as president. That would be an absolute &^@#ing disaster. Don't even know who Ted Cruz is, but I find it hard to believe that anything is worse than Trump. Electing that doofus as president would be the final stroke for turning that country into a real live 'reality TV' show. The fact that he is polling so high just says something about the average amurican citizen. While Trump wants to build a wall to keep scary mexicans out of his country we should really be thinking about how we can keep him and his supporters the hell away from ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 16 minutes ago, The Sedge said: Don't even know who Ted Cruz is, but I find it hard to believe that anything is worse than Trump. Electing that doofus as president would be the final stroke for turning that country into a real live 'reality TV' show. The fact that he is polling so high just says something about the average amurican citizen. While Trump wants to build a wall to keep scary mexicans out of his country we should really be thinking about how we can keep him and his supporters the hell away from ours. Ted Cruz is the guy who shut down parliament and then blamed it on Obama. Then he tried to shut it down a second time and blamed that on Obama again. When asked about it, or anything he has done or said, goes I disagree with the premise of your question on then goes on some rant that completely contradicts what he said or did. You can spend all day on youtube watching his video's and he makes Donald Trump look like a great president. There is a reason why Donald Trump has a 20 point lead over him and you better wish that stays that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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