Bob Long Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Hi folks. First time posting so be gentle. I've been looking at the 2016 free agent list, and there's no face-off help available there for the Canucks that I can see. Improving that is going to have to come from within.... I'm assuming that given the history Malhotra isn't an option, but what are the chances of giving a bigger role in the coaching staff to a guy like Perreault who's coaching the Hawks forwards on face-offs? Who else could they get for new coaching talent? Whatever else is happening under Willie, face-off performance is dismal. I can't see McCann developing properly in this area under Wille for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 We have too many centers as it is, plus Sutter is good at draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Just now, HC20.0 said: We have too many centers Yanicks as it is, plus Sutter is good at draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Isn't Perreault retured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boddy604 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Our face off has been bad because Henrik was playing through an injury (you see how many times he just fell down trying to take them?), Sutter was injured, and Horvat was pushed into a top 6 role. And Horvat has actually been ok. We'll have a better indicator what the team actually looks like going forward. McCann needs some work but I think that's mostly just because he's 19 and needs some more weight and strength, that'll come with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Read the OP people. He's suggesting bringing him in as F/O coach not a player. He's been retired since 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Hi folks. First time posting so be gentle. I've been looking at the 2016 free agent list, and there's no face-off help available there for the Canucks that I can see. Improving that is going to have to come from within.... I'm assuming that given the history Malhotra isn't an option, but what are the chances of giving a bigger role in the coaching staff to a guy like Perreault who's coaching the Hawks forwards on face-offs? Who else could they get for new coaching talent? Whatever else is happening under Willie, face-off performance is dismal. I can't see McCann developing properly in this area under Wille for example. There is a lot more to winning face offs than one would think and nothing that a good coach can quickly rectify. It is a combination of skill, quickness, reading the opponent, strength, etc. Some of those things don't come overnight or even in a year, they usually take time to develop. Consider the improvement we have seen from Linden Vey in this area as an example of a maturation process. McCann will come along eventually as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, RRypien37 said: Read the OP people. He's suggesting bringing him in as F/O coach not a player. He's been retired since 2008. Open should have used his brain and realized you don't trade for coaches in the NHL. His fault not the posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, RRypien37 said: Read the OP people. He's suggesting bringing him in as F/O coach not a player. He's been retired since 2008. Op should have used his brain and realized that coaches aren't traded in the NHL. His fault. Not the users replying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share Posted February 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Gooseberries said: Op should have used his brain and realized that coaches aren't traded in the NHL. His fault. Not the users replying. Just going for effect. We can't buy the talent we need, it has to come from better coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, RRypien37 said: Read the OP people. He's suggesting bringing him in as F/O coach not a player. He's been retired since 2008. I thought he meant player at first, as implied by the word "trade". That said, I wouldn't mind getting him on staff. He was certainly able to do face-offs in his heyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share Posted February 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said: There is a lot more to winning face offs than one would think and nothing that a good coach can quickly rectify. It is a combination of skill, quickness, reading the opponent, strength, etc. Some of those things don't come overnight or even in a year, they usually take time to develop. Consider the improvement we have seen from Linden Vey in this area as an example of a maturation process. McCann will come along eventually as well. Agreed - which is why I think we need much better coaching than we have - its not just the centre's its the wingers as well that have to be better when guys get waived out. What worries me about Willie and his staff is I don't how his group is going to improve this. Vey's game has been better, true, but is that him or the addition of more speed around him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Totally confusing thread title. Anyway, much of the face-off issues would have been dealt with internally with a healthy line-up for most of the season (Sutter/Sedin). No coach can do anything about that unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Horvat should just continue to develop in that area and ultimately be one of the leagues' top. Right now he's ok, but doesn't know all the tricks in the book NHL-wise yet, but for a sophomore it's pretty good. Same could be said for McCann. Also, Gretzky wasn't a great coach, therefore not guaranteed Perreault is a great faceoff coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Totally confusing thread title. Anyway, much of the face-off issues would have been dealt with internally with a healthy line-up for most of the season (Sutter/Sedin). No coach can do anything about that unfortunately. Faceoff can be coached. There is allot to the mechanics of it then u might think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Not Perrault, but how about Marc Savard? Or, Derrek Roy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 OP does make a good point. There's no salary cap on the coaching staff. Personally I think there should be specialized coaching available in a number of areas. They should definitely have a full time skating coach. And a faceoff coach would also be a good addition. I recognize that we already have a sizeable staff with a head coach, three assistants, skills coach, video, trainers, etc. But I think adding some true specialists would only help a young team during a rebuild. Plus there are several players on this team who are known to be hard workers and who would likely jump at the chance to work with top coaches on improving specific aspects of their game. It's not too long ago that a few of the guys were quoted as saying that they weren't getting enough practice and coaching on off days. Maybe that was more to do with the Torts regime than anything else (I honestly can't recall when it was). But nonetheless, we've seen players in the past hire coaches on their own dime to address needs. This shouldn't really ever be necessary. I'd like to see the Canucks have the staff necessay to address every player need (in terms of performance) and enough coaches available that guys can get one-on-one attention whenever they feel they need help (or whenever the team feels a guy needs special attention to some aspect of his game). Why not spend whatever it takes to make this team better? It's only the Aquilinis' money after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 25 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: Op should have used his brain and realized that coaches aren't traded in the NHL. His fault. Not the users replying. 22 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Just going for effect. We can't buy the talent we need, it has to come from better coaching. Note to OP: beware of using subtlety on CDC. Someone will always take what you write too literally. As for the face-off issue, I have often wondered if coaching makes much difference. I have never seen much evidence that it does. On the Canucks, as noted by Boddy604, Henrik's face-off performance has been hurt by injury, but he still needs to play if he ca. Horvat is pretty good and will improve. Sutter is good. McCann should improve over time as he gains strength and experience. And that leaves Vey, who has improved. Cracknell will be probably not be here next year. So face-offs should be better next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Maybe he'll come out of retirement for Ballard and a 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Faceoff duties are just one of the many facets of the game. Do you hire a guy specifically for that during a rebuild phase? Nope. This attempt of getting an edge on the competition would be something to consider when we're back at heavy contender status, assuming it works. But on the other hand, if we want to hire Malhotra and give him some kind of job, there's nothing to stop us. Whatever mythical 'sour history' there was would be a non-factor imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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