Popular Post Camel Toe Drag Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, ba;;isticsports said: I read and think this could be a fair outllook of our defence if a - No1 defenceman is a two-way defenceman who you want on the ice in any situation - No2 is a defenceman who you want on the top PP as an offensive specialist, but maybe he doesn't play the PK; he might get more points than the No1 but will have the lower +/- and fewer minutes played - No3 is like the No1 but not elite. Most NHL teams need to rely on a No3 defenceman as their No1, just as Edler is to Vancouver, because that talent is hard to find - No 4 is like the No2 but not elite and has a slightly stronger defensive focus - No 5 is like a No3 but has a slightly stronger defensive focus - No 6 is a defensive specialist with some boom Hughes will prove himself a No2 Edler is a No3 Juolevi's ceiling is No1, but is very likely a No3 Tryamkin ceiling is a No3, but is likely a No5 Woo's ceiling is No3, but is likely a No5 Myers is a No4 Tanev is a No5 Stecher is a No5 Benn is a No6 Fantenberg is a No7 Canucks need to find a No1 defenceman somehow, or be okay with forever playing a No3 on the top pair. That’s not the only way things work my friend. I wouldn’t read to much into that. Things in life aren’t so cookie cutter, neither is an NHL defence core. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 54 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said: That’s not the only way things work my friend. I wouldn’t read to much into that. Things in life aren’t so cookie cutter, neither is an NHL defence core. “Tanev is number 5 because he no score lot points” that mans post is a joke he calls Hughes a #2 because of his defense and tanev a 5 because he plays amazing defense lmfao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: I read and think this could be a fair outllook of our defence if a - No1 defenceman is a two-way defenceman who you want on the ice in any situation - No2 is a defenceman who you want on the top PP as an offensive specialist, but maybe he doesn't play the PK; he might get more points than the No1 but will have the lower +/- and fewer minutes played - No3 is like the No1 but not elite. Most NHL teams need to rely on a No3 defenceman as their No1, just as Edler is to Vancouver, because that talent is hard to find - No 4 is like the No2 but not elite and has a slightly stronger defensive focus - No 5 is like a No3 but has a slightly stronger defensive focus - No 6 is a defensive specialist with some boom Hughes will prove himself a No2 Edler is a No3 Juolevi's ceiling is No1, but is very likely a No3 Tryamkin ceiling is a No3, but is likely a No5 Woo's ceiling is No3, but is likely a No5 Myers is a No4 Tanev is a No5 Stecher is a No5 Benn is a No6 Fantenberg is a No7 Canucks need to find a No1 defenceman somehow, or be okay with forever playing a No3 on the top pair. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Kootenay Gold said: LOL....He's not Swedish but I am hoping he plays well and can Finnish his hits as well as Edler does I’m laughing with you - brain fart brought on by advancing senility is my excuse, and I’m sticking to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HorvatToBaertschi Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 9 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: I read and think this could be a fair outllook of our defence if a - No1 defenceman is a two-way defenceman who you want on the ice in any situation - No2 is a defenceman who you want on the top PP as an offensive specialist, but maybe he doesn't play the PK; he might get more points than the No1 but will have the lower +/- and fewer minutes played - No3 is like the No1 but not elite. Most NHL teams need to rely on a No3 defenceman as their No1, just as Edler is to Vancouver, because that talent is hard to find - No 4 is like the No2 but not elite and has a slightly stronger defensive focus - No 5 is like a No3 but has a slightly stronger defensive focus - No 6 is a defensive specialist with some boom Hughes will prove himself a No2 Edler is a No3 Juolevi's ceiling is No1, but is very likely a No3 Tryamkin ceiling is a No3, but is likely a No5 Woo's ceiling is No3, but is likely a No5 Myers is a No4 Tanev is a No5 Stecher is a No5 Benn is a No6 Fantenberg is a No7 Canucks need to find a No1 defenceman somehow, or be okay with forever playing a No3 on the top pair. Hughes is 20 and scoring at an almost 60 pt pace, playing 20+ mins a night (some nights had him at 25+), and is playing incredibly solid defensively. How anyone can call him a number 2 baffles me. He’s already a number 1 in his rookie season. He’s just also fortunate he’s being “sheltered” as a 1A/1B thanks to Edler. It’ll be his team soon. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boudrias Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 10 hours ago, ohmy said: Maybe first time for that but he has been playing really well lately. You'd think the naysayers who claim to be Canuck fans would be happy to see a prized prospect whos had ups and down doing well for a stretch. Putting up points in the last 10 and playing a better all around game and that oh so important +/- some people fixate on has drastically improved. It's almost as if the kid is finally healthy or something. Go figure that plays a big part in a players development eh. Hope he keeps it up and challenges for a spot next year. Glad that Joulevi's game is climbing. I'm not worried about his ppg. The #1 goal this year was to play a meaningful number of games so that he can shake the injury bug. Not overly concerned whether he gets NHL games this year. A solid season in Utica with a number of playoff games would be perfect. The number of games he has lost in the past 2 seasons would set any player back. Fans have to be patient. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 13 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: I read and think this could be a fair outllook of our defence if a - No1 defenceman is a two-way defenceman who you want on the ice in any situation - No2 is a defenceman who you want on the top PP as an offensive specialist, but maybe he doesn't play the PK; he might get more points than the No1 but will have the lower +/- and fewer minutes played - No3 is like the No1 but not elite. Most NHL teams need to rely on a No3 defenceman as their No1, just as Edler is to Vancouver, because that talent is hard to find - No 4 is like the No2 but not elite and has a slightly stronger defensive focus - No 5 is like a No3 but has a slightly stronger defensive focus - No 6 is a defensive specialist with some boom Hughes will prove himself a No2 Edler is a No3 Juolevi's ceiling is No1, but is very likely a No3 Tryamkin ceiling is a No3, but is likely a No5 Woo's ceiling is No3, but is likely a No5 Myers is a No4 Tanev is a No5 Stecher is a No5 Benn is a No6 Fantenberg is a No7 Canucks need to find a No1 defenceman somehow, or be okay with forever playing a No3 on the top pair. Right now I would agree the future of our defense looks like: Hughes - ??? Juolevi - Myers Tryamkin - Woo Rathbone Still some uncertainty these especially with Juolevi and Woo. Would like the RD top pairing guy to be a two-way defenceman who you want on the ice in any situation as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 6:29 PM, Ossi Vaananen said: *too 14 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: Utica in a 6-5 OT win Juolevi finishes with an assist and +2. He has not on the ice for any goal against. That brings his season totals 31 Games Played, 1 Goal, 15 Assists, 16 Points, -5 and 18 PIMs It has started already....as well...too... Oli will be fine...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: Right now I would agree the future of our defense looks like: Hughes - ??? Juolevi - Myers Tryamkin - Woo Rathbone Still some uncertainty these especially with Juolevi and Woo. Would like the RD top pairing guy to be a two-way defenceman who you want on the ice in any situation as well. Tryamkin has played RD almost exclusively in his career. Bump him to the right, slot in Rathbone. Can never have too much depth, so we could add more dmen to the pipeline, but I don't mind that defense group in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, theo5789 said: Tryamkin has played RD almost exclusively in his career. Bump him to the right, slot in Rathbone. Can never have too much depth, so we could add more dmen to the pipeline, but I don't mind that defense group in a couple of years. Still need a RD top pairing guy though. Neither Myers or Woo will likely be able to fill that role in three years time. I think our best course of action would be to trade for one if we cant draft one this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Quote Juolevi, 21, has 15 points (1-14) in 30 games and has battled some soreness more than the puck or the opposition. “He’s progressing,” said Benning. “He’s playing big minutes, playing smart and competing physically. He just hasn’t played a lot in the last one-and-a-half years. It’s good that he’s playing in all situations. He’s going to be a good, safe, all-round defenceman.” https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/ben-kuzma-contending-canucks-could-make-gm-benning-buyer-not-seller-at-trade-deadline 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said: Still need a RD top pairing guy though. Neither Myers or Woo will likely be able to fill that role in three years time. I think our best course of action would be to trade for one if we cant draft one this year. Or have a balanced D group where everyone can play rather than rely on one pairing. Ride the hot hand. Look at a team like Vegas. And who knows if Tryamkin (plays top pairing minutes in the KHL) or Woo develops into that role. If it's available to draft, then sure. Not sure we need to worry about it by next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 14 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Yeah, he had a good game tonight. It’s great to see him gradually rectifying his weaknesses. He also took a couple of big hits tonight and survived unscathed - hopefully the worst of his health issues are behind him. If he fills out like Edler, we may end up with a 6’3” 220 lb D - much like another D on our team. Be interesting to see if he gains an inkling to hit much like another big Swedish guy on our team. It's almost like he needed actual, consistent play time to both get back up to speed/get FULLY over his injuries and continue his development... And on a good note, I think he's only just starting to get there. There's still more to come IMO. 36 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: Still need a RD top pairing guy though. Neither Myers or Woo will likely be able to fill that role in three years time. I think our best course of action would be to trade for one if we cant draft one this year. Hughes can also play RD FWIW. In 3+ years, we may end up with a Juolevi/Hughes pair. (Or perhaps we get lucky and one of Woo, Tryamkin etc exceed expectations as well). And given how deep our prospect pool is becoming (both D and forward), we might also be able to move some of these guys for an upgrade at D sometime in the future and/or attract a key UFA in a couple years to truly flesh out a top pair D if none of our guys not named Hughes develop in to that role. We're likely simply not going to have roster room or cap space to keep ALL the guys trending towards being NHL players. My crystal ball gets hazy that far out though 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, theo5789 said: Or have a balanced D group where everyone can play rather than rely on one pairing. Ride the hot hand. Look at a team like Vegas. And who knows if Tryamkin (plays top pairing minutes in the KHL) or Woo develops into that role. If it's available to draft, then sure. Not sure we need to worry about it by next season. RD is by far the biggest organizational hole for the Canucks moving forward. Centers Petey Horvat Gaudette Madden RW Boeser Podkolzin Virtanen LW Miller Hoglander Pearson Roussell LD Hughes Joulevi Rathbone RD (There is a chance none of these players are legit top 4 players in 3 years) Myers Woo Tryamkin Rafferty Goalies Markstrom Demko Dipietro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Just now, aGENT said: It's almost like he needed actual, consistent play time to both get back up to speed/get FULLY over his injuries and continue his development... And on a good note, I think he's only just starting to get there. There's still more to come IMO. Hughes can also play RD FWIW. In 3+ years, we may end up with a Juolevi/Hughes pair. (Or perhaps we get lucky and one of Woo, Tryamkin etc exceed expectations as well). And given how deep our prospect pool is becoming (both D and forward), we might also be able to move some of these guys for an upgrade at D sometime in the future and/or attract a key UFA in a couple years to truly flesh out a top pair D if none of our guys not named Hughes develop in to that role. We're likely simply not going to have roster room or cap space to keep ALL the guys trending towards being NHL players. My crystal ball gets hazy that far out though I would prefer not making our potentially best defenseman we have ever had play on his offside. Would effect his defensive effectiveness in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: RD is by far the biggest organizational hole for the Canucks moving forward. Centers Petey Horvat Gaudette Madden RW Boeser Podkolzin Virtanen LW Miller Hoglander Pearson Roussell LD Hughes Joulevi Rathbone RD (There is a chance none of these players are legit top 4 players in 3 years) Myers Woo Tryamkin Rafferty Goalies Markstrom Demko Dipietro What about getting Risto from Buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: RD is by far the biggest organizational hole for the Canucks moving forward. Centers Petey Horvat Gaudette Madden RW Boeser Podkolzin Virtanen LW Miller Hoglander Pearson Roussell LD Hughes Joulevi Rathbone RD (There is a chance none of these players are legit top 4 players in 3 years) Myers Woo Tryamkin Rafferty Goalies Markstrom Demko Dipietro There's a chance that none of of prospects pan out in 3 years if that's the concern. We drafted Woo to be a top 4 dman. Tryamkin is playing top pair in the KHL (not saying that equates to top pairing here, but he can log the minutes). Myers is playing top 4. Like I said, if there is one available in the draft then go for it, but don't miss out on BPA over positional needs. Trading for a top RD in the league isn't going to be as easy said than done. We have players that we can work with that can hopefully allow us to balance out the minutes over the 3 pairings. It's a position we should always be looking to improve like any other position, but I don't see any real need to hinder the team (depleting assets/depth in other positions in a trade to fill this spot or eat up a ton of cap) when we have players in our system to look at first. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: What about getting Risto from Buffalo? What are you willing to give up and what are their needs are the questions that need to be answered? I like Ristolainen, but they seem to want to make it work there. I imagine the typical price of 1st (or 2nd), a prospect like Madden or Hoglander or Woo, and a roster player of need for them to get them thinking. Even then it might not be enough for a top pairing RD. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: I would prefer not making our potentially best defenseman we have ever had play on his offside. Would effect his defensive effectiveness in the NHL. He's stated he feels equally comfortable there and actually produces more offense from that side. If we've got a sufficiently defensive/2way partner on the left capable of playing 1st pair with him, I wouldn't worry the least bit about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: Hughes is 20 and scoring at an almost 60 pt pace, playing 20+ mins a night (some nights had him at 25+), and is playing incredibly solid defensively. How anyone can call him a number 2 baffles me. He’s already a number 1 in his rookie season. He’s just also fortunate he’s being “sheltered” as a 1A/1B thanks to Edler. It’ll be his team soon. Maybe you misunderstood my definition of a #1 ?, he is a different player than Lidstrom No doubt he is our best most talented elite defenceman, and will be our best defenceman, But I don't recall Coffey playing PK either It isn't a put down, I just think every coach will have more confidence in putting a shut down d man in those situation (they do pay players for those roles too) His energy will be saved for 5v5 and PP imo (btw, nothing wrong with yours being different, I don't take it personally) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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