DeNiro Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 10 minutes ago, smokes said: Trouba for Kucherov? Winnipeg reportedly wants a D-man back in a trade. If Trouba is traded it won't likely be for a forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 my guess is stevie y is telling him the same thing he told stamkos my offer given the state's tax free status has the same net value to you as a higher contract deal with another team where you'll just end up paying a bigger piece in taxes tampa has a good team with a viable shot at the cup the next few years he is probably telling the players he needs cap room to keep the team at an elite level there is also a bit of a home discount demand likely being paid as well i was surprised when stamkos caved i am not surprised that as a result stevie is taking the same approach with other players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 26 minutes ago, coastal.view said: my guess is stevie y is telling him the same thing he told stamkos my offer given the state's tax free status has the same net value to you as a higher contract deal with another team where you'll just end up paying a bigger piece in taxes tampa has a good team with a viable shot at the cup the next few years he is probably telling the players he needs cap room to keep the team at an elite level there is also a bit of a home discount demand likely being paid as well i was surprised when stamkos caved i am not surprised that as a result stevie is taking the same approach with other players I don't think Stamkos "caved", he just didn't care about leaving a competitive team for another million, two million, or whatever bucks per year to play in say... Toronto, a city with a crap hockey team. Tampa should easily be competing for a deep playoff run again. Make sense to me. I'm curious what Yzerman does about Kuch here. First Drouin, now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numb3r 16 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 6 hours ago, N4ZZY said: and guess what fellas. Kucherov was taken in the 2nd round, 58th overall. What was the knock on kuch? Why was he drafted do low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 2 hours ago, numb3r 16 said: What was the knock on kuch? Why was he drafted do low Russian factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Just now, Pears said: Russian factor. Is he in a position to do a Nukushkin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numb3r 16 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Just now, Pears said: Russian factor. But with the u18 tourny he had, you would think a team would snatch him in the first round just in awe of what he could do for their club if he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 47 minutes ago, Alflives said: Is he in a position to do a Nukushkin? I don't think so Nichushkin had the sense of entitlement and didn't want to work his way up. He wasn't producing on a consistent rate. Kucherov went to the minors earned a call up and has continued to impress. Also put up back to back 60+ point seasons at 21 and 22 years old. Kucherov wants a well deserved payday and Tampa doesn't have much cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 If Kuch is holding out we better pay him already and get him in some games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Pears said: Russian factor. 5'11" 175 didn't do him any favours either, but yeah the KHL was in NHL takeover mode for a few years there and he was drafted in the middle or at the end of it. Russian players will always have that "what if" surrounding them, and it always seems to make a few teams hesitate each year. Dallas wasn't one of them though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircool Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 12 hours ago, Warhippy said: IIRC Tampa has about $5.5 million. Why not just offer sheet him for $5.75 or $6.2 million just to see them squirm Because Kucherov has to actually accept the contract. And I'm not sure he'd take a long term deal at that number, So I mean if you offer sheet him you have to pay 6.5+. Also they'd just waive someone before they actually let him go, since the difference between his cap hit and their available space would be closer than the current gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Hmmm, I wonder what Yzerman would've thought of a GM that had him enter pre-season without a contract while he was a player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 6 hours ago, Alflives said: Is he in a position to do a Nukushkin? Kucherov can actually play top 6, Nichushkin probably couldn't but wanted it anyway. And likely knew he wasn't gonna meaningful money like he would back home in Russia. Kucherov will get top dollar and minutes any where in the league. Tampa is in a really good spot though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 10 hours ago, Green Building said: I don't think Stamkos "caved", he just didn't care about leaving a competitive team for another million, two million, or whatever bucks per year to play in say... Toronto, a city with a crap hockey team. Tampa should easily be competing for a deep playoff run again. Make sense to me. I'm curious what Yzerman does about Kuch here. First Drouin, now... Yzerman always seems to get things done, the guy can play hardball with every agent out there and keep the players in house. Drouin looks like a happy camper after all that went on as well as Stamkos. Even after all the posturing the players just want to play for him and nobody else. He had a problem with MSL but got a great return for a guy who did nothing after he left Tampa and is out of the game now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Kucherov, may be the first casualty in the Stamkos signing (even at a home town discount). Bishop is all but gone but not until after the season is done, and only because of who's in the pipeline and their cap issues. Stevie Y is in Stan Bowman territory now, the vultures will surely be circling to pick one or two of Palat, Johnson, Kucherov, and Drouin at some point, for cheap picks and prospects to manage his cap issues. Bishop may be traded early to help with this.....but somebody is gotta go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWang24 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 16 hours ago, canuktravella said: no way in hell tryamkin is a odd man out hes our future chara not happening i think our fans underrate his potential benning found a gem in this kid We will have to wait n see this season.. think about it my dude we got Edler, Tanev, Gudbranson, Sbisa, Hutton, the sixth defensemen is a throw up at this point if Stecher keeps playing the way he does I can see him playing well with Sbisa. So then where does Tryamkin, Pedan, Larsena and long shot but possibly Biega fit in? I would package Tryamkin a few other players maybe even Subban some picks for Kucherov any day PLAYOFF performer is something we need something the canucks have always lacked. Fans may underrate Tryamkin but I think people also underrate Sbisa he got injured alot but he knows how to throw his weight if he avoids fighting we will be fine thats what we got in Guddy theres a reason Sbisa got picked for Team Europe they like what he brings to the table and not because it was hard to find Dmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 16 hours ago, smokes said: Trouba for Kucherov? More like Laine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 14 hours ago, coastal.view said: my guess is stevie y is telling him the same thing he told stamkos my offer given the state's tax free status has the same net value to you as a higher contract deal with another team where you'll just end up paying a bigger piece in taxes tampa has a good team with a viable shot at the cup the next few years he is probably telling the players he needs cap room to keep the team at an elite level there is also a bit of a home discount demand likely being paid as well i was surprised when stamkos caved i am not surprised that as a result stevie is taking the same approach with other players They made him meet the CEO of Canadian Tire in Toronto and I think he started to clue in that things might always be all out of proportion there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 7 hours ago, falcon45ca said: Hmmm, I wonder what Yzerman would've thought of a GM that had him enter pre-season without a contract while he was a player? Don't think he would come to that point when he was a player because he would've taken a cheaper deal to stay in Detroit, despite the salary cap not being in place until his career was pretty much over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Apple Juice said: Don't think he would come to that point when he was a player because he would've taken a cheaper deal to stay in Detroit, despite the salary cap not being in place until his career was pretty much over. Whole lotta guessing on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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