DonLever Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 from Montreal Gazette: SEOUL – The North Korean leader’s half brother was killed by VX, a lethal nerve agent that can be absorbed through the skin, Malaysian police said Friday, giving their first assessment of the cause of Kim Jong Nam’s death. The finding will add to the increasing pile of evidence suggesting that Kim Jong Un’s regime in North Korea was behind the brazen and public attack on Kim Jong Nam in a Kuala Lumpur airport terminal last week. “The chemical substance on the exhibits has been identified as. . . VX nerve agent,” Khalid Abu Bakar, Malaysia’s inspector general of police, said in a statement Friday after the Center for Chemical Weapons Analysis analyzed swabs from the man’s face and eyes. VX is the one of the most toxic and fastest acting chemical warfare agents, much more toxic than sarin, and especially so if entry is through the skin, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “Symptoms will appear within a few seconds after exposure to the vapor form of VX, and within a few minutes to up to 18 hours after exposure to the liquid form,” the CDC says on its website. “It is possible that any visible VX liquid contact on the skin, unless washed off immediately, would be lethal,” the CDC says. Exposure to a large dose of VX can cause convulsions, a loss of consciousness and respiratory failure possibly leading to death, the CDC says. Two women attacked Kim Jong Nam at the airport, smearing a cream on his face. He immediately sought help and was taken to the airport medical clinic, where leaked photos showed him slumped in a chair with his eyes closed. He reportedly suffered seizures then died in an ambulance on his way to hospital. The man-made nerve agent is classified as a chemical weapon and is thought to be one of those stockpiled by Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria until it agreed to get rid of its chemical weapons in 2014. VX is also believed to have been used by Saddam Hussein on Kurds during the final days of the Iran-Iraq war. South Korean authorities have accused Kim Jong Un, who came to power in North Korea in 2011, of putting out a “standing order” to assassinate his older half brother. This would fit with Kim Jong Un’s track record of getting rid of potential rivals to his power. He had his uncle, Jang Song Thaek, executed at the end of 2013 for apparently amassing his own power base. Jang was a mentor to Kim Jong Nam, who had previously been considered a potential leader in the three-generation communist dynasty. North Korea had strongly objected to Malaysia conducting an autopsy on the man’s body, saying that he carried a diplomatic passport and therefore was not subject to local laws. The North Korean ambassador in Kuala Lumpur has read out several angry statements, accusing Malaysia of trying to “besmirch” Pyongyang’s reputation and of being put up to this by the South Korean government. This was reiterated in a virulent 763-word statement published by the North’s state news agency. There were also reports that of an attempted break-in at the hospital morgue where Kim Jong Nam’s body is being held. But the Kuala Lumpur government, one of the few in the world that has friendly relations with Pyongyang, has remained adamant that it will follow all procedures required when a suspicious death occurs on its soil. It has named eight North Koreans, including one diplomat, who it considers suspects in the attack. One, a scientist who had been living in Kuala Lumpur for a year, is in custody but three others are at large in Malaysia. The other four left Malaysia on the day of the attack, taking a circuitous route – via Dubai and Vladivostok – to get back to Pyongyang without going through China. The Chinese government had been protecting Kim Jong Nam and was widely thought to consider him a potential replacement for Kim Jong Un if he became intolerably hostile to Beijing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 It was also used as the name for the chemical agent that terrorists were using in "The Rock". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Pretty cray cray that someone was just walking around an airport with a chemical weapon. I mean what if someone in the clinic had touched his face without gloves on, or he bumped into someone on his way to get help. They could have died too. Messed up man. Just messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 3 hours ago, DonLever said: from Montreal Gazette: SEOUL – The North Korean leader’s half brother was killed by VX, a lethal nerve agent that can be absorbed through the skin, Malaysian police said Friday, giving their first assessment of the cause of Kim Jong Nam’s death. The finding will add to the increasing pile of evidence suggesting that Kim Jong Un’s regime in North Korea was behind the brazen and public attack on Kim Jong Nam in a Kuala Lumpur airport terminal last week. “The chemical substance on the exhibits has been identified as. . . VX nerve agent,” Khalid Abu Bakar, Malaysia’s inspector general of police, said in a statement Friday after the Center for Chemical Weapons Analysis analyzed swabs from the man’s face and eyes. VX is the one of the most toxic and fastest acting chemical warfare agents, much more toxic than sarin, and especially so if entry is through the skin, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “Symptoms will appear within a few seconds after exposure to the vapor form of VX, and within a few minutes to up to 18 hours after exposure to the liquid form,” the CDC says on its website. “It is possible that any visible VX liquid contact on the skin, unless washed off immediately, would be lethal,” the CDC says. Exposure to a large dose of VX can cause convulsions, a loss of consciousness and respiratory failure possibly leading to death, the CDC says. Two women attacked Kim Jong Nam at the airport, smearing a cream on his face. He immediately sought help and was taken to the airport medical clinic, where leaked photos showed him slumped in a chair with his eyes closed. He reportedly suffered seizures then died in an ambulance on his way to hospital. The man-made nerve agent is classified as a chemical weapon and is thought to be one of those stockpiled by Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria until it agreed to get rid of its chemical weapons in 2014. VX is also believed to have been used by Saddam Hussein on Kurds during the final days of the Iran-Iraq war. South Korean authorities have accused Kim Jong Un, who came to power in North Korea in 2011, of putting out a “standing order” to assassinate his older half brother. This would fit with Kim Jong Un’s track record of getting rid of potential rivals to his power. He had his uncle, Jang Song Thaek, executed at the end of 2013 for apparently amassing his own power base. Jang was a mentor to Kim Jong Nam, who had previously been considered a potential leader in the three-generation communist dynasty. North Korea had strongly objected to Malaysia conducting an autopsy on the man’s body, saying that he carried a diplomatic passport and therefore was not subject to local laws. The North Korean ambassador in Kuala Lumpur has read out several angry statements, accusing Malaysia of trying to “besmirch” Pyongyang’s reputation and of being put up to this by the South Korean government. This was reiterated in a virulent 763-word statement published by the North’s state news agency. There were also reports that of an attempted break-in at the hospital morgue where Kim Jong Nam’s body is being held. But the Kuala Lumpur government, one of the few in the world that has friendly relations with Pyongyang, has remained adamant that it will follow all procedures required when a suspicious death occurs on its soil. It has named eight North Koreans, including one diplomat, who it considers suspects in the attack. One, a scientist who had been living in Kuala Lumpur for a year, is in custody but three others are at large in Malaysia. The other four left Malaysia on the day of the attack, taking a circuitous route – via Dubai and Vladivostok – to get back to Pyongyang without going through China. The Chinese government had been protecting Kim Jong Nam and was widely thought to consider him a potential replacement for Kim Jong Un if he became intolerably hostile to Beijing. Kim John Un should just lay low. If he's getting to the point where even China is concerned and wanting to replace him, he's hooped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 North Korea is treading in dangerous waters with regards to their relationship with China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psylocke Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Kim Jong Un is on a whole other level of crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Alf is EXTREMELY happy his spaceship crash landed in CANADA:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The frigging nerve of some people .....I'll see myself out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: The frigging nerve of some people .....I'll see myself out They are putting the 'fun' back in dysfunctional family! ...I'm right behind you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 So many twists and turns in this story.... One of the "attackers" wearing the LOL shirt said she thought it was a Japanese Just-for-Laugh style prank she was pulling off. She was also a contestant (or did auditions) for Vietnamese Idols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Finnish Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 54 minutes ago, Warhippy said: The frigging nerve of some people .....I'll see myself out It was an UN-NAMed source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Lancaster said: So many twists and turns in this story.... One of the "attackers" wearing the LOL shirt said she thought it was a Japanese Just-for-Laugh style prank she was pulling off. She was also a contestant (or did auditions) for Vietnamese Idols. She thought she was on a TV show? Will people do anything to get on TV, including assaulting a complete stranger? "Hey, go smear this lotion all over the face of that person over there; it'll be funny, and you'll be on TV." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Alflives said: She thought she was on a TV show? Will people do anything to get on TV, including assaulting a complete stranger? "Hey, go smear this lotion all over the face of that person over there; it'll be funny, and you'll be on TV." Yup. It cuts off the end but I believe about 2/3rds of the parents volunteer to sign their kids up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Alflives said: She thought she was on a TV show? Will people do anything to get on TV, including assaulting a complete stranger? "Hey, go smear this lotion all over the face of that person over there; it'll be funny, and you'll be on TV." Well.... if she thought it was harmless. You do see something similar with those Just-for-Laughs in Canada... like pedestrians jumping down opened waterfilled manholes because they thought someone was drowning, etc. Apparently, this assassination has pissed off the Chinese. The half-brother was kind of under "Chinese protection". Now China has sent a couple of thousand troops along North Korea's border as a show of displeasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 46 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: It cuts off the end but I believe about 2/3rds of the parents volunteer to sign their kids up. There's a group that failed to read, or didn't learn anything from, Lord of the Flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Just now, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Food for thought: what if it was a false-flag operation? What if it was another country trying to piss off China enough that it has to spend resources to focus on NK instead of elsewhere, like the Pacific? Who stands to gain the most in that case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 31 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: So instead of discussing the merits of the idea, you choose to ridicule it. Very mature of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 It has to be asked: Were the Korean agents hot? I think they were hot. I really want to see these agents, we're entering some fantasy material here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 On 2/24/2017 at 7:52 AM, Canuck_83 said: Kim Jong Un is on a whole other level of crazy. the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree. I think his dad had a better hairstyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 If it wasn't the North Koreans that did this, will this make the nutbar North Korean leader even nuttier? The guy has nukes and missiles that can reach Japan. I'm unsure if those missiles are nuke capable, but this isn't good news, given the Americans have sent a Nuke aircraft carrier to patrol the South China Sea. Things are getting hot over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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