smokes Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 He rebuilt Vancouver once he can do it again. Can handle the media, is a veteran coach and not to take anything away from Green but AV is an upgrade from Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 He was great for us, but he most certainly did not "rebuild Vancouver". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: He was great for us, but he most certainly did not "rebuild Vancouver". I agree PS. Is your sig spelled like that on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Neilsons Towel Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, smokes said: He rebuilt Vancouver once he can do it again. Can handle the media, is a veteran coach and not to take anything away from Green but AV is an upgrade from Green. No way. That time has come and gone. NYR let him go because they didn’t think he was the right coach to lead their rebuild, but yet he is the right coach to lead ours? AV will be hired by a team looking to win now. Travis Green is the right man for the job for this stage of the Franchise in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Neilsons Towel Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Note: Tags are mandatory only in the Trades, Rumours, Signings forum and in the Proposals and Armchair GM'ing forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 He brought out the best in the Sedins, Burows, Kesler, Bieksa, and Hansen among others when they were young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 I have faith in Travis Green. So, unfortunately, I'd pass on this. I think Coach V would do better work in Carolina or Calgary, at this point, too. He's got too much history. Same thing can be said about people who want Marc Crawford back. They both had their time and it's time to move on, whether we like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 every time a coach is a free agent that we have had people want them back i do not see why been there done that move on and wait we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Roger Neilson's Towel said: No way. That time has come and gone. NYR let him go because they didn’t think he was the right coach to lead their rebuild, but yet he is the right coach to lead ours? AV will be hired by a team looking to win now. Travis Green is the right man for the job for this stage of the Franchise in my opinion. Travis is turning all his young players into the same type of two way players stifling their creativity and not allowing them to play the way that got them in here in the first place. Offensive players are offensive players, play them like it and let them learn from their mistakes at that standpoint. Holding back players like Goldobin or regulating Virtanen to the bottom 6 because they are not so good on the back check is counter productive. At least with AV, the offensive players were the offensive players the pests were the pests. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, smokes said: Travis is turning all his young players into the same type of two way players stifling their creativity and not allowing them to play the way that got them in here in the first place. Offensive players are offensive players, play them like it and let them learn from their mistakes at that standpoint. Holding back players like Goldobin or regulating Virtanen to the bottom 6 because they are not so good on the back check is counter productive. At least with AV, the offensive players were the offensive players the pests were the pests. etc. AV Spent his first 3-4 years here using a defensive strategy and it worked fine. In fact, his defensive strategy is what made this team great, and what turned Daniel, Henrik, Kesler, Burrows, etc into the players they were in their primes. Defense wins games. Goldobin is also a pretty poor example as well because his poor defending is the reason why he's not a regular in the NHL right now, and the reason why he may never be. Defense doesn't stifle creativity. If anything, a good defense leads to more creativity. Players like Bo are creative because they defend so well. Look at the Isles. One of the highest scoring teams in the league, missed the playoffs because they couldn't keep the puck out of their net. Crosby excelled in last years playoffs because he learned to back check, which lead to more offensive opportunities. This isn't the 80's run and gun hockey, defense is key to winning games today. If your players can't back check, like Goldobin, they won't succeed in today's NHL game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, smokes said: Travis is turning all his young players into the same type of two way players stifling their creativity and not allowing them to play the way that got them in here in the first place. Offensive players are offensive players, play them like it and let them learn from their mistakes at that standpoint. Holding back players like Goldobin or regulating Virtanen to the bottom 6 because they are not so good on the back check is counter productive. At least with AV, the offensive players were the offensive players the pests were the pests. etc. I disagree: 1) Travis Green has done an exceptional job turning players like Virtanen and Goldobin (who were one-dimensional players) into complete players. These two specifically did not understand the concepts of competing hard every shift in ALL zones of the ice. That means backchecking, that means getting yourself positionally ready in the defensive zone, not just the offensive zone. Playing good defense leads to offensive opportunities because when you are in the right position, and are working hard to be conscientious in your own zone, you spend less time in your own zone, because you will have the puck on your stick and out you go. 2) Virtanen and Goldobin weren't held back by Green, it was their work ethic. Virtanen came in overweight, and had an entitled attitude that he had earned everything. Green showed him that his POV was going to lead him no where, and with that Virtanen came in and worked hard under Green's supervision. Virtanen success now has been because of the tough love and lessons Green has put him through. That meant playing hard on every shift, skating hard in all 3 zones. Goldobin is starting to figure it out now, that he can't just play good in one zone or when he feels like it. He has to move his ass at all times to be successful in this league. Both are finally getting offensive oportunities because they have shown they 1) can compete 2) be responsible 3) have had good work ethic. If anything I want TG to continue this line of teaching for all our prospects. 3) AV implemented a very structured and defensive game in his tenure. If anything he generally played the rookies guys like Grabner, Hodgson, Schroeder in defensive roles before they saw any time in an offensive role. And just like Green is doing now, AV made his players earn their ice time and their ability to have freedom in the offensive zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Yeah because AV was so great at integrating young players into the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Kane Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 45 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Yeah because AV was so great at integrating young players into the lineup. Canucks didn't really have any good young prospects ready to jump in anyways.. And the ones that were, played. I feel like he handled Shirokov poorly, that's about it. Kesler Edler Schneider Raymond Hansen Grabner Hodgson Tanev Seriously.. during the AV/Nonis-Gillis era - the drafting/prospect pool was horrible. This is the team he inherited in 06/07 Sedin (25) - Sedin (25) - Pyatt (25) Cooke (27) - Morrison (31) - Naslund (33) Bulis (28) - Linden (36) - Smolinski (34) Burrows (25) - Kesler (22) - Cowan (29) Mitchell (29) - Bieksa (25) Ohlund (29) - Salo (31) Krajicek (23) - Sopel (29) Luongo (27) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Where's Wellwood said: I agree PS. Is your sig spelled like that on purpose? Maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 let's let that chapter stay as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Keep Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Stammer- Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 why would we fire Green? I thought we played a good system this year and it helped us go on a win streak without 1/3 of the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 8 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: AV is a stubborn &^@# who couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Green at least can make prospects show their potential, and celebrates it instead of benching them for showing their talent. I glad others are seeing this. He refuses to change his tactics, and he's way to predictable. If you want to turn your team around, he's good for that. Might even get you to a conference or Stanley Cup final. But he gets outcoached in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 AV is a very good coach; no doubt about it. BUT, the Canucks are Travis Green's team now. Hopefully AV will sign with a team in the east. Possibly NYI so he doesn't even have to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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