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[Trade] Hurricanes trade Elias Lindholm, Noah Hanifin to Flames for Dougie Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, Adam Fox

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30 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

What city?

Oh right.:)

 

im on van island so it would be the Vancouver Canucks sports radio AM650

 

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2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Regardless, the Flames are going to have trouble replacing Ferland.  I wonder how many of the Flame’s players had a “wtf” moment, when they saw Ferland included in the deal?  Those tough guys are usually well liked by their team mates, no?  I know we love to hate Ferland (and deservingly so) but the guy can actually play.  

 

7 hours ago, NaveJoseph said:

He still had Ferland backing him up. 

I think people are stuck on the memory of ferklunds playoff series against us. He didn’t play like that very often in regular season, he was not a tough guy, he was a disappearing act similar to kassian who often got away from the physical side of the game thinking he was a skilled player.

 

 He was not some intimidating force that ran everything on the ice. Flames wished he played like Tom Wilson but outside of those six games in playoffs he never did. A guy like gudbranson is far more intimidating. Ferklund wouldn’t stand a chance against guddy. 

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3 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

I think people are stuck on the memory of ferklunds playoff series against us. He didn’t play like that very often in regular season, he was not a tough guy, he was a disappearing act similar to kassian who often got away from the physical side of the game thinking he was a skilled player.

 

 He was not some intimidating force that ran everything on the ice. Flames wished he played like Tom Wilson but outside of those six games in playoffs he never did. A guy like gudbranson is far more intimidating. Ferklund wouldn’t stand a chance against guddy. 

Didn't Ferland play top line minutes, take only minimal penalties, was a plus player, while scoring 20?

He's going to be missed.  Not only did the Flames give up Ferland (still don't get why they included him) they gave up the by far the best player in the deal - Hamilton.  The Flames are hoping Hanifin turns into Hamilton.  

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1 hour ago, N7Nucks said:

Jake's acceleration is so much better he only needs like 2-3 strides to hit Ferland's top speed. Lol. It's one of those things where you can't judge one player by the same metric as another. NBA has a similar problem with offensive fouls. James will get called for an offensive foul on Curry, but will do the exact same thing to say Kawhi and it's fair game. 

Ferland was capable of hammering most every Canuck because of his speed. Jake, not so much. I’d say Ferland untilized his speed much better in his role than Jake has. 

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28 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Didn't Ferland play top line minutes, take only minimal penalties, was a plus player, while scoring 20?

He's going to be missed.  Not only did the Flames give up Ferland (still don't get why they included him) they gave up the by far the best player in the deal - Hamilton.  The Flames are hoping Hanifin turns into Hamilton.  

that's some silly logic Alf.

The Flames are hoping Hanifin turns into Hamilton?  That's nonsense.  The Flames had and dealt Hamilton.  Maybe it's worth asking why?.

The Lames will get the points they lose back in the form of Brodie's production rising again by virtue of playing with Giordano.

And they add a 21 yr old who is already tracking to be a better player than Hamilton.  Hanifin has played twice the games, scored twice the points that Hamilton had in his draft +3 years.

Hanifin was not playing with a Zdeno Chara nor on a 110+ pt team in that span.

I'd take Hanifin for Hamilton one for one - without hesitation.  Hamilton is plain over-rated.  He's gonna need another Chara/Giordano in Carolina - fortunate for him he may be playing with Slavin.

In any event, I think Calgary in the end will win the Hanifin/Hamilton aspect of this deal, the Lindholm/Ferland aspect of this deal, and Carolina will be banking on Fox to close the gap.

That coming from someone that really likes Ferland - no hate like you have for him.   Ferland is effective, and the type of player that is often under-rated - but not in this thread.  (Maybe he'll sign here next summer lol - that would be entertaining).  The under-rated assets in here are Hanfiin and Lindholm.  Calgary bought low on these two,  bought high on Hamilton, and sold high on Hamilton and Ferland.

The idea that Hamilton is a top 5 D in the league is about as laughable as the idea that Jake Gardiner was going to propel the Leafs on a long playoff run.

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Didn't Ferland play top line minutes, take only minimal penalties, was a plus player, while scoring 20?

He's going to be missed.  Not only did the Flames give up Ferland (still don't get why they included him) they gave up the by far the best player in the deal - Hamilton.  The Flames are hoping Hanifin turns into Hamilton.  

He hit 19 by Jan and then disappeared. He’s a 56% ozone start guy that never is counted on in the defensive zone because he’s poor defensively. He plays zero minutes on the pk. I’ll be surprised if he comes close to 40 points next year. 

 

Lindholm put up 16 goals without getting to play with Johnny and monahan. He also averaged 1:21 pk time per game. And he’s 3 years younger. Ferklunds broken 35 point mark once in his career. Lindholm has done it 4 years in a row. 

 

Hamilton is soft as butter and pouted as soon as his crappy brother got moved.   Andersson will get more offensive minutes. Hanifin only put up 10 points less than dougie last year and dougie averaged a full minute more on the PP. Hanifin is 4 years younger a better skater and is only going to get better where dougie is what he is. A lazy penalty magnet that only know what to do when the pucks offensive zone. 

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6 hours ago, Alflives said:

Like watching two squirrels chase each other.

you make a very good point though.  Maybe teams need at least one of these super elite skating guys on D to defend against the league’s trend to smaller - hyper quick - forwards, especially in open ice?  

Yep, nobody’s gonna go through Hughes’ legs anytime soon...

 

In all fairness to Hughes, young kids still have to put on meat on their bodies. A height of 5’10” isn’t the end of the world, especially if the speed and skill is there.

 

And according to Benning’s uncontrollable positive attitude toward Hughes being available, we just got ourselves a 1D folks... some say maybe the best defenseman in the draft.

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Wow, I wish the players called Hanifin and Lindholm that are being described in this thread had played for the Canes last year.    These new guys sound really good and the imposters that played in Carolina were simply poor actors I guess.

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I keep coming back to this thread. Its so interesting with the completely different sides on who won or lost this trade. Will be interesting to follow the outcome. 

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Word is they’re interviewing Ryan Reeves to replace the toughness of Ferland

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Interesting how similar Pettersson is to Lindholm.

 

Both Swedish C/RWers taken 5th overall. Similar size and skill sets when drafted. And both have won almost identical medals at the international level.

 

Looks like the Flames were jealous of our young Swedish super rookie so they decided to try and acquire their own. :lol:

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