Glug Datt Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 41 minutes ago, Generational.EP40 said: So I take it you would be happy to keep them but still have the other problems which are keeping us from taking the next step. Aka lack of a true all around top pair dman or another proper winger because as much as Hughes/EP could/can play wing, their primary position is centre so there’d be an adjustment and usually you don’t just transfer over 100%...something is a bit off or ends up being left out due to the change and limitations it puts. When I think of that, I think of the current Leafs. Lots of attack but that imbalance of lack of defence which is hindering them. It’s almost like picking your poison as a result of which you end up going with haha bingo. Leafs 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Always take the best player, and never trade the 1st overall for anything less than an over payment. So, if we have the top pick and no one blows us away with a package for it, then we pick the best player and we can use other assets to trade for things we need once we find out what we have. My only worry is that Hughes might not be the best but we take him for the brother connection. Everything else is easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 If Canucks win lottery they should take Kakko 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Absolutely not we keep all of them and move one to the wing (for now, ideally EP). Kucherov and Kane are scoring machines, move EP to the wing and undoubtedly his production goes up, especially with a skilled center that can play at his level. That top line with Boeser would be insane, or just move Boeser down and make two scoring lines. Or play both like Stamkos and Point or even more like Tavares, Mathews and Kadri. One could move up or down or sideways depending on injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyking Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 When it come to fill the need in top 6 winger kakko is the way to go. For best player available it maybe Hughes. If we pick Hughes have him play centre then slide ep to wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I heard Bobby Mac say that Hughes will likely be a winger at the NHL level, might have also been Button. And with the Patrick Kane comparison that would make the most sense. With the draft in Vancouver and the fact we have never drafted 1st overall there is 0 chance the team trades a lottery pick, let alone first overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedintwinpowersactivate Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 If we win the lottery we will pick Hughes regardless of how good Kakko is. The brother connection would be to good to pass up. Plus I think Hughes will be the better player long term. Kakko is looking like a Barkov or Malkin type while Hughes is a Kane type. You can’t go wrong if you pick top two this year. Hughes Kakko Byrum Turcotte Cozens my top five Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Generational.EP40 said: So I take it you would be happy to keep them but still have the other problems which are keeping us from taking the next step. Aka lack of a true all around top pair dman or another proper winger because as much as Hughes/EP could/can play wing, their primary position is centre so there’d be an adjustment and usually you don’t just transfer over 100%...something is a bit off or ends up being left out due to the change and limitations it puts. When I think of that, I think of the current Leafs. Lots of attack but that imbalance of lack of defence which is hindering them. It’s almost like picking your poison as a result of which you end up going with haha Regardless of who we take there will be voids left unfilled. If a guy can play centre he won't have a huge issue converting to wing (in a player like JH's case I would say that is either wing) This team no doubt needs it's #1-or even #2- defenseman but it also badly needs another top 4 forward (top 2 C + top 2 W=top 4), Hughes or Kakko would address that need . If a team had a 18-23 year old legit future #1 defenseman then sure look at a deal but that isn't likely. I think you are making too much of any potential "issues" a guy might have playing wing instead of centre, it's the other way around that is usually troublesome. When was the last time you heard about a guy who couldn't make it as a W in the NHL and has to slide over to C in order to make it ? Never happens (to my recollection at least). I had the pleasure of watching both Kakko and Hughes up close several times at the WJC and (just my opinion) either would be an absolute Godsend for this team and not one I would second guess selecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 KK is the better player but the optics of taking him ahead of JH while having QH on the team is not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 no trade, Hughes can play on the wing of Horvat and he can get a main stay winger instead of evolving plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Baer. said: If Canucks win lottery they should take Kakko 1st why is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: why is this? Kakko has had a really strong second half, some scouts are putting him ahead of Hughes. He's a big scoring winger which the Canucks really need plus he can play both sides. He has 4 inches and 20 pounds on Hughes. It's a matter of what you want. A small playmaking center or a big scoring winger. Both will be top-6 players in the NHL next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Horvat is overachieving. Him reaching 2c was a long shot in his scouting reports. Yes he has made that jump, but it doesn’t mean he can sustain it as easily as Hughes and ep as he gets older. Just use horvat like burrows, Gary Roberts, lehtinen, Bolland, stoll etc. Can play top 6 when needed but also can be effective on the bottom 6. I am perfectly okay with Horvat being the pen ultimate 3rd line center feasting on 3rd pairing D and outscorung other teams top lines while defending and penalty killing. While also being able to put up numbers in the top 6 when one of the top 6 are on a cold streak or injured etc. Whats the issue here exactly? Wasting his offensive talents? If you are giving him more minutes than you would give the top 6 you aren’t exactly wasting his talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 No! This fanbase is always talking about lack of depth and as soon as we get 1 extra guy in a position everyone thinks we have tradeable assets. I said it awhile ago in a older thread.. Pettersson Horvat Sutter Beagle Is not depth, thats a normal 1234. I'd rather have 1 2 3 3 or 1 2 2 3, You know what I mean... Only wingers that made Team Canada were Kunitz and Marchand, I'm pretty sure. If we got Hughes for some reason that doesn't make our faceoff specialist in Horvat expendable, it doesn't make Gaudette expendable, or any of our centres... It adds depth to the roster. Baertschi Pettersson Boeser Leivo Horvat Hughes Looks a lot better than Baertschi Pettersson Boeser Leivo Hughes Goldobin. Let's push those guys like Roussel, Goldobin, etc down the chart... Lets get Gaudette playing meaningful minutes in Utica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButterBean Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Having too many C’s is a good problem to have. Elite players make it work regardless of position and having depth is key because you never know when Horvat or EP can get injured. If there’s not enough ice time/money to go around, you make a trade for a dman or a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said: Horvat is overachieving. Him reaching 2c was a long shot in his scouting reports. Yes he has made that jump, but it doesn’t mean he can sustain it as easily as Hughes and ep as he gets older. Just use horvat like burrows, Gary Roberts, lehtinen, Bolland, stoll etc. Can play top 6 when but also can be effective on the bottom 6. I am perfectly okay with Horvat being the pen ultimate 3rd line center feasting in 3rd pairing D and outscorung other teams top lines while defending and penalty killing. While also being able to put up numbers in the top 6 when one of the top 6 are on a cold streak or injured etc. Whats the issue here exactly? Wasting his offensive talents? If you are giving him more minutes than you would give the top 6 you aren’t exactly wasting his talents. I partially agree with the overachieving bit but not with the 3rd line C lol. He’s very comparable to Jordan Staal. Which is without a doubt a top6 centre. On a bad team can act as a 1C but on most teams is fit to be a 2C. ...his contract is very fair as well and all things considered play is pretty similar to Kesler when we had him around. Only thing about Bo is I’m afraid he may have hit his ceiling so he shouldn’t be expected to be much better production wise. If that’s the case it’s not a problem but it may be has he overachieved this year as a one time thing which I highly doubt. He’ll be a 50+ point getter and at times be capable of 60+. Plus, his game is more than just that. He brings everything to the table on all ends of the ice. edit: spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Generational.EP40 said: I partially agree with the overachieving bit but not with the 3rd line C lol. He’s very comparable to Jordan Staal. Which is without a doubt a top6 centre. On a bad team can act as a 1C but on most teams is fit to be a 2C. ...his contract is very fair as well and all things considered is pretty similar to Kesler when we had him around. Only thing about Bo is I’m afraid he may have hit his ceiling so he shouldn’t be expected to be much better production wise. If that’s the case it’s not a problem but it may be ha she overachieved this year as a one time thing which I doubt. He’ll be a 50+ point getter and at times be capable of 60+. Plus, his game is more than just that. He brings everything to the table on all ends of the ice. edit: spelling I don't think Bo Horvat is over achieving at all. I think he's maintaining the same progression he's been making since drafting him. He was just a really good pick at 9. He isn't accidently winning 1000 faceoffs in the NHL, and putting up 60 points with 3rd/4th line wingers... He's making it happen... Over achieving would be him putting up points with Boeser and Pettersson on his wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 No, draft Hughes turn him into a LW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davathor Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Fateless said: I was thinking something along these lines too, but you have to be really careful with that move considering we have Jack Hughes' brother on the team. If Quinn sees that we have the chance to take his brother and our management opts to pass him over by trading down - do you really think Quinn will feel loyal to this team or will he bounce the first chance he gets to play with is brother or another team? I also don't think that trading Petey or Bo is realistic. They're both fantastic players and I truly do think that Bo will be this team's captain for a long time. I wonder if the best result is simply to draft Jack Hughes and let him play wing. Yeah we should dictate imaginary future trades based on whether or not they hurt a rookie defencemans feelings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, goalie13 said: Wasn't Pettersson a winger before coming to Vancouver? He’s a natural center. Vaxjo just happened to use him as a winger the majority of his season there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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