[Rumor] Boeser Camp Eyeing 4 Year Deal Worth $28M

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, fanfor42 said:

Hey partner why don't you give the boeser bashing a rest.  We get it. He's unsigned so you can spout off. Teams struggled for a few years. How about getting behind them.

I don't think @stawns is bashing him, just trying to speculate on the rumours that Boeser's agent is looking for 7 mil/season or more.

 

  

1. Leon Draisaitl	EDM	23	C, LW, RW	Left		UFA	$8,500,000	$9,000,000
2. Sebastian Aho	CAR	21	C, LW	Left		UFA	$8,454,000	$12,000,000
3. William Nylander	TOR	23	RW, C	Right		UFA	$6,962,366	$9,000,000
4. Johnny Gaudreau	CGY	25	LW	Left		UFA	$6,750,000	$6,750,000
5. David Pastrnak	BOS	23	RW	Right		UFA	$6,666,666	$6,800,000
6. Sean Monahan	CGY	24	C	Left		UFA	$6,375,000	$6,750,000
7. Nathan MacKinnon	COL	23	C, RW	Right		UFA	$6,300,000	$6,750,000
8. Mark Scheifele	WPG	26	C	Right		UFA	$6,125,000	$6,750,000
9. Dylan Larkin	DET	22	C, LW	Left		UFA	$6,100,000	$7,000,000
10. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	EDM	26	C, LW	Left		UFA	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
11. Brandon Saad	CHI	26	RW, LW	Left		UFA	$6,000,000	$6,750,000
12. Filip Forsberg	NSH	24	LW	Right		UFA	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
13. Timo Meier	SJS	22	LW, RW	Left		RFA	$6,000,000	$4,000,000
14. Jake Guentzel	PIT	24	LW, RW	Left		UFA	$6,000,000	$7,000,000
15. Nikolaj Ehlers	WPG	23	RW, LW	Left		UFA	$6,000,000	$6,500,000
16. William Karlsson	VGK	26	C	Left		UFA	$5,900,000	$5,900,000
17. Aleksander Barkov	FLA	23	C	Left		UFA	$5,900,000	$6,900,000
18. Jonathan Huberdeau	FLA	26	LW, C	Left	NMC	UFA	$5,900,000	$6,200,000
19. Nick Schmaltz	ARI	23	C	Right		UFA	$5,850,000	$3,000,000
20. Tomas Hertl	SJS	25	C, RW	Left		UFA	$5,625,000	$6,250,000
21. Gabriel Landeskog	COL	26	LW	Left	M-NTC	UFA	$5,571,429	$6,000,000
22. Jonathan Drouin	MTL	24	LW, RW, C	Left		UFA	$5,500,000	$5,500,000
23. Bo Horvat	VAN	24	C	Left		UFA	$5,500,000	$5,775,000
24. Teuvo Teräväinen	CAR	24	RW, LW	Left		UFA	$5,400,000	$6,250,000
25. Mika Zibanejad	NYR	26	C	Right	NMC	UFA	$5,350,000	$5,350,000
26. Nino Niederreiter	CAR	26	LW, RW	Left		UFA	$5,250,000	$5,850,000
27. J.T. Miller	VAN	26	C, LW, RW	Left		UFA	$5,250,000	$6,000,000
28. Tom Wilson	WSH	25	RW	Right		UFA	$5,166,666	$4,500,000

 

 

Just for comparison's sake...  here are the top paid forwards in the league under the age of 27 and between 5 to 9 mil/season.    

 

Edit: First number is the cap hit.  

Edited September 4, 2019 by Guest

[RowdyCanuck]

29 minutes ago, fanfor42 said:

Hey partner why don't you give the boeser bashing a rest.  We get it. He's unsigned so you can spout off. Teams struggled for a few years. How about getting behind them.

How is it bashing when it's facts? If you read his remarks not once does @stawns say not sign him....his pointing out the flaws in Brock's games and if you can't handle hearing that to bad and maybe try engaging in a conversation instead of basically calling him out for not support the team....and here I thought the kids were back in school 

[fanfor42]

Boesers deal will get done and all the silly comments about what should happen will be moot.

Fans of the canucks will be fans and the sun will come up.

Talk to you guys when the season starts and we can all be on the same page and pulling together for the team to do well.

[stawns]

1 hour ago, fanfor42 said:

Boesers deal will get done and all the silly comments about what should happen will be moot.

Fans of the canucks will be fans and the sun will come up.

Talk to you guys when the season starts and we can all be on the same page and pulling together for the team to do well.

See you then

[-Vintage Canuck-]

Jim Benning on Brock Boeser:

 

"We're continuing to talk to Boeser's agent. We're optimistic we can get him signed by next week."

[mll]

Boeser has no arbitration rights and cannot sign an offer sheet.  He's a 10.2 (c) RFA player - CapFriendly also labels his status that way.  Those players also don't have the 1 December cut-off date and can sign at any time, unlike other RFAs where past that date they can't play in the NHL for the rest of the season.  

Agent Lewis Gross, who represents Krug, Gaudreau who too were 10.2(c) players during their negotiations, believes that their situation is more complex because they have no leverage other than to sit out - which Krug and Gaudreau did missing most of training camp.  Talking to Thomas Drance - behind the Athletics paywall:

 

“There’s no arbitration and no Group 2 offer sheets,” summarized player agent Lewis Gross of Sports Professional Management Inc. of the status of 10.2(c) players. “So actually the player has no rights, other than to accept the qualifying offer.”

[...]

“Negotiations are based on leverage, and with a 10.2(c) player, you really have no leverage,” Gross said. “You either take the offer or sit at home.

 

“So the most important thing with a 10.2(c) player is education. There’s a lot that has to go into this. They have to realize that if Player X is making $8 million, but he wasn’t a 10.2(c) player … you’re not really comparable — because you’re a 10.2(c) guy and don’t have the same rights. It’s a completely different situation.

 

“Comparables sometimes play a part in a negotiation, but in the case of these players, they really don’t — unless you’re comparing yourself to a 10.2(c) player.”

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[I.Am.Ironman]

I think a bridge deal is best for both sides at this point. 3x7. Boeser gets a big pay day and the Canucks get another chance to sign him long term after QH and EP are resigned. Boeser also has to keep improving to get a further increase next time around.

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

I think a bridge deal is best for both sides at this point. 3x7. Boeser gets a big pay day and the Canucks get another chance to sign him long term after QH and EP are resigned. Boeser also has to keep improving to get a further increase next time around.

yes and no. If he gets one of these back loaded deals he gets the big raise if we want to keep him, or if we can't afford it he walks. 

 

Apparently Marner is looking at a 3 year deal that would require a 12-13 mil QO at the end of it. Watch Dubas do that, I bet he does. 

[BPA]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

yes and no. If he gets one of these back loaded deals he gets the big raise if we want to keep him, or if we can't afford it he walks. 

 

Apparently Marner is looking at a 3 year deal that would require a 12-13 mil QO at the end of it. Watch Dubas do that, I bet he does. 

That sucks!!

 

If all the remaining RFAs do that then that'll be the norm going forward for the next batch of RFA bridge deals. 

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, BPA said:

That sucks!!

 

If all the remaining RFAs do that then that'll be the norm going forward for the next batch of RFA bridge deals. 

Based on Jims history i doubt he's lowballing Boeser on money, the hold up has to be this back loading trend. 

[BPA]

Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

Based on Jims history i doubt he's lowballing Boeser on money, the hold up has to be this back loading trend. 

If BB has a back loaded deal like Meier where the QO is $10M, do you still make the QO if BB is 70-80pt player?

 

If not, then he becomes a UFA.  And Nucks get nothing in return.

[JM_]

8 minutes ago, BPA said:

If BB has a back loaded deal like Meier where the QO is $10M, do you still make the QO if BB is 70-80pt player?

 

If not, then he becomes a UFA.  And Nucks get nothing in return.

dunno, maybe? depends what the cap is and what the other deals are I suppose, and what the UFA options might be. 

 

its a crappy trend. It makes these guys harder to trade too since any other team will just get them likely for 1 year rental and/or have to pick up the big QO. 

 

Interestingly enough Hughes will also be a 10.2(c) RFA in 2 seasons, so you have to think about the effect of Brocks deal on that one. 

 

You'd think some of these guys would want mostly bonus money for the potential lock out year. The back loaded deals so far are mostly salary which they would lose, but that bonus money gets paid no matter what I believe. 

Edited September 10, 2019 by Jimmy McGill

[Provost]

55 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Based on Jims history i doubt he's lowballing Boeser on money, the hold up has to be this back loading trend. 

Or term...  I suspect the team wants nothing to do with a 4 or 5 year term, and the agent really wants a 4 or 5 year term to give his side as much leverage as possible in the next negotiations.  The actual salary expectations would change a lot depending on the term.

[The_Rocket]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Gotta REALLY good feeling it’s going to be a 3 year deal. Hopefully 6 mill or less aav

[wildwood12]

If Brock’s agent is asking anything lower than what Loui Erickson is making he should be fired.

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

I think a bridge deal is best for both sides at this point. 3x7. Boeser gets a big pay day and the Canucks get another chance to sign him long term after QH and EP are resigned. Boeser also has to keep improving to get a further increase next time around.

If we're only getting 3 years, the deal will be way under $7m. If he/his agent wants $7m+, he'll need to be signing for 6 years +.

[MeanSeanBean]

The thing I have a hard time wrapping my head around, is that Boeser is not more valuable to this team then Horvat is. Why should he be holding out for a significant increase in what Bo gets?

[mephnick]

On 9/6/2019 at 1:23 AM, mll said:

“Comparables sometimes play a part in a negotiation, but in the case of these players, they really don’t — unless you’re comparing yourself to a 10.2(c) player.”

 

The last star 10.2c winger was Johnny Gaudreau who signed for 6x6.75 in 2016.

 

Given the raise in contracts since then, I think 6-6.5 is the best Brock can hope for given 3 years.

[J-Dizzle]

7 minutes ago, shayster007 said:

The thing I have a hard time wrapping my head around, is that Boeser is not more valuable to this team then Horvat is. Why should he be holding out for a significant increase in what Bo gets?

1.) Inflation.

 

2.) Horvat’s contract is an absolute bargain. 

 

 

That hat being said...it’s purely speculative to say he’s holding out for a significant increase on what Bo gets.