Warhippy Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 5 minutes ago, J.R. said: I'd do one of Horvat or McCann, either of Hamhuis or Sbisa plus an additional prospect as a starting point. I'd tend to not do any early round picks this season (though I might consider a 2017). RyJo is an RFA so, if I recall, I believe it's a good 3-4 years before we'd have any hope of signing him as a UFA. Minimum. See, that is FAR more reasonable for our youth movement than what a lot are suggesting. It would be a hard sell but losing Horvat for local boy RyJo is something most would consider without question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: So you anticipate us holding on to Higgins...for what reason? The beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 23 minutes ago, RonMexico said: I think you are over reacting and that your player evaluation is too high. I really don't think so. Look how our recent road trip went without Sbisa/Sutter. Now imagine losing Horvat/McCaan/Sedin/Tanev/Hutton/Edler for long periods via injury or via trade permanently and only replacing with RyJo. It isn't that my values are to high, it is that we don't have the current depth to stomach that kind of loss of man power while only acquiring a center in return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: The beard. Hey, lets not forget his abs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singing chef Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 8 minutes ago, Warhippy said: So you anticipate us holding on to Higgins...for what reason? Please reread my post, quoted as follows: Higgins and Burrows are NOT gone at seasons end (unless traded). Their contracts expire in 2017. I simply point out that their contracts expire in 2017. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I really don't think so. Look how our recent road trip went without Sbisa/Sutter. Now imagine losing Horvat/McCaan/Sedin/Tanev/Hutton/Edler for long periods via injury or via trade permanently and only replacing with RyJo. It isn't that my values are to high, it is that we don't have the current depth to stomach that kind of loss of man power while only acquiring a center in return Sedin, RyJo, Sutter, McCann/Horvat is pretty unreal C depth both now and moving forward. Tanev's a non-starter without at least another RD coming back as our RD depth sucks. Tanev for Hamonic makes a little sense. Tanev+ for RyJo, makes none. Beyond that, I'd move literally any of our other D but if it's Edler, the + is going to be less and they're not getting either Horvat or McCann. They could have Cassels or Gaunce though. If it's any of Hammer, Sbisa or Bartowski, we're fine for D depth as long as we make even a depth move to pick up a 5-8 guy (preferably a RD, even if not the more needed top 4) and we can always recall Pedan on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 10 minutes ago, singing chef said: Please reread my post, quoted as follows: Higgins and Burrows are NOT gone at seasons end (unless traded). Their contracts expire in 2017. I simply point out that their contracts expire in 2017. Cheers. Fair enough man. I just don't see Higgins here for any reason other than nobody wants to take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 We can't afford to do this deal due to the limited assets we have. Horvat+ deal, you can scrap that. McCann+ possible, but wouldn't make sense for us assuming the '+' would be something if significant value. Best we can do are our secondary assets (the Gaunce's, Shinkaruk's, Cassel's) and a 1st or whatever but no way CBJ accepts that since there will be other teams offering better primary assets. ...can't afford Johansen as it would deplete our young promising assets. Only hope we have really is to wait and see if he hits FA in 2017 or if management really wants him, trades McCann+...which would be costly and go against what they've built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 58 minutes ago, TheRussianRocket. said: We can't afford to do this deal due to the limited assets we have. Horvat+ deal, you can scrap that. McCann+ possible, but wouldn't make sense for us assuming the '+' would be something if significant value. Best we can do are our secondary assets (the Gaunce's, Shinkaruk's, Cassel's) and a 1st or whatever but no way CBJ accepts that since there will be other teams offering better primary assets. ...can't afford Johansen as it would deplete our young promising assets. Only hope we have really is to wait and see if he hits FA in 2017 or if management really wants him, trades McCann+...which would be costly and go against what they've built. The one thing missing in almost all of these proposals not including Edler...is the cap. We both need cap space and without moving Edler/Vrbata or the like we cannot afford his cap hit can we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Just now, Warhippy said: The one thing missing in almost all of these proposals not including Edler...is the cap. We both need cap space and without moving Edler/Vrbata or the like we cannot afford his cap hit can we? Would be one of Hamhuis/Vrbata. Edler is going nowhere. But then again I'm 100% sure we're not getting Johanson for the reasons stated prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 4 minutes ago, Warhippy said: The one thing missing in almost all of these proposals not including Edler...is the cap. We both need cap space and without moving Edler/Vrbata or the like we cannot afford his cap hit can we? Either of Hamhuis or Sbisa plus one of Horvat/McCann would do it. We might have to take back a ~league min guy or retain a bit of salary to make it work for them depending on which guys go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo Chili Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Bring him home It would take horvat ++ so: Horvat Virtanen Vrbata 2016 1st (top 5 protected) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 11 minutes ago, Bingo Chili said: Bring him home It would take horvat ++ so: Horvat Virtanen Vrbata 2016 1st (top 5 protected) aaannnndddd.......bottom feeder for the next 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 21 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said: ...C'mon home Ryan, we have a second line spot all warmed up waiting just for you. Lol second line. That's cute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I can't see Hammer getting traded for anything other than futures unless he agrees to a contract extension as part of trade negotiations, like Juice did. If so, I think his trade value goes up considerably. CBJ might be interested at that point if Hammer is as well. I think Boeser, as much as I'd be loath to move him, would be of great interest to Columbus. As a mid-west guy he would be a good fit for them and easily marketable in the coming years. I can imagine him as a U.S. national player for years to come. So....I think an extended Hamhuis, Boeser, Higgins and a minor addition might actually be fairly close to possible to address CBJ's concerns. There are other teams that could give more value in futures without taking away from their roster, for sure, like an Arizona (Perlini, Samuelsson, Dvorak, etc) but few could help out the roster this year as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo Chili Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 13 minutes ago, stawns said: aaannnndddd.......bottom feeder for the next 10 years And how's is that Vrbata cap is off the canucks Johansen > horvat and virtanen 2016 1st is top 5 protected (canucks can draft Matthews or chychrun still if they get top 5oa pick) Canucks have at centre H sedin (Matthews?) Johansen Sutter/ Mccann Plus signing free agents like lucic. I say future looks good even when sedins retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanIslander89 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 16 minutes ago, Bingo Chili said: Bring him home It would take horvat ++ so: Horvat Virtanen Vrbata 2016 1st (top 5 protected) .....not a chance in hell I do that trade?! 9th overall TWF that has 50-60 point potential, 6th overall PWF that has 20-30 goal potential, a top 10 pick and a 30 goal scoring veteran?! Yikes... I'll pass thanks. Can't see us being able to make this happen. I think the Seguin trade would be a good reference as to what Johansen's value would be. If I were Jarmo, I'd be calling Colorado about a RyJo/Duchene swap, if they are indeed looking for a C in return. No way Vancouver can match what other teams are offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 21 minutes ago, Blackberries said: Lol second line. That's cute So you'd make the Sedins second liners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta76 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Would be nice to see happen but we would have to makes moves first to make it happen. Clb is doing this deal partially for cap reasons so they probably want young players on ELC's back. IMO we will have to deal Vrbata + one other to different teams to make the cap work. Then we would go: Horvat/McCaan, Hamhuis, and return from Vrbata and the other vet for Johansen and a small cap dump I would do this deal but probably nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierdaddy Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 This isn't the move for the Canucks right now. If they were a player or two away from the cup I'd say for sure. The reality is the team needs more good young players. Not one high priced one. If they could get him (or Duchesne or Hamonic) without mortgaging the future I'd say make it happen. I'd rather look to deal with clubs who need immediate help (meaning they are closer to the cup) as they'll be more inclined to send youth (players or picks) Vancouvers way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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