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52 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Wow, Subban is expensive. I like the direction our team is going, with Horvat, Virtanen, Hutton, Gudbranson, Tryamkin, Boeser, Stecher, and maybe Dubois or Tkachuk. To trade a few of these guys for a clown like Subban, I'd be very wary of that. Stay the course JB, let some other team, gut their future for PK. If it's EDM, I hope they trade Draisaitl and their 4th. lol

 

PK's used to playing in the east, soft travel, etc. If he joins the Pac Division where the teams are bigger and nastier, it'll be interesting to see how he performs.

People running PK down are doing it mostly, imo, out of personal taste.  He is a premier offensive dman in the league and he's not nearly as bad in his own end as people make him out to be.  I didn't like Montreal's d corps at all, and I think PK would be much better, defensively, under different circumstances.  That said, in no way would I want JB to give up what would be needed to bring him to Van.

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36 minutes ago, TheLiveWire said:

If I were the gm, this would be my simple and quite honestly pretty likely 3 moves to make my template going into next season. My 3 moves to get this team back on track, and thankfully it looks like me and Benning are on the same wavelength on this one.

  1. Draft Pierre Luc-Dubois
  2. Sign Philip Larsen to fill out 7 man defensive core. Andrey Pedan becomes 8th man if he wants to stay.
  3. Sign Milan Lucic in free agency. I expect a high price tag in free agency. If not (Lucic then Brouwer, Ladd, Eriksson or a cheap Staal would be solid.)

Roster going into next year and top prospects list

 

Forward group

  • D Sedin - H Sedin - Hansen: (Sedins do their magic with a forechecker, their partner can vary from Hansen, Virtanen or Etem.)
  • (Lucic/UFA) - Sutter - Virtanen: (I feel like Lucic and Sutter would play well together. Lucic teaches Virtanen to be a PWF.)
  • Baertschi - Horvat - Etem: (Horvat splits defensive load with second line. Baertschi and Etem work their chemistry.)
  • Burrows - Granlund - Dorsett: (Dependable defensive wings, skilled center ready to move up in case of injury.)
  • (Gaunce - Higgins): (Gaunce versatility allows him to plug 4th line center or LW. Higgins provides veteran presence off scratch.)

Defence Group

  • Edler - Tanev: (Dependable first pairing we have seen. Pressure is taken off due to second line)
  • Hutton - Gudbranson: (Great second paring taking pressure off first pairing. Scoring on left combined with stay at home D on right)
  • Sbisa - Larsen: (Great third paring. Larson provides marginal scoring and PP touch and Sbisa provides all around presence)
  • (Tryamkin): Tryamkin's versatility in LD or RD allows him to hop in given first injury. He will still get 65+ games. Ease him into the NHL at the beginning of the season. He's physically ready, he just needs to learn the small subtleties before he steps in.)

Goaltending

  • Miller: Starts the season as the starter and teaches Lack how to win. He was a Vezina winner and took the US olympic team to overtime against Canada. It may be his last season, or at least last season as a starter, but I don't expect him to end as starter
  • Markstrom: Starts as backup, waits for his turn and then hopefully steps up.

Burrows, Higgins, Sbisa, and Miller are all subject to trade if there's value, but if not, we can deal with their contracts the upcoming season. But that is a solid team to me that can play a versatile style. Fast, rugged, or skilled two-way hockey. It would definately be a tough team to play against, and honestly, I think playoff worthy if players remain relatively healthy.

 

Top 5 prospects.

  1. Pierre-Luc Dubois: C/LW
  2. Brock Boeser: RW
  3. Thatcher Demko: G
  4. Jordan Subban: RD 
  5. Troy Stecher: RD

The 4 skaters on this list are all about a season away. Maybe some will be 2, and maybe some might even crack the roster opening night like Hutton, Virtanen and McCann. But they are all close. Demko will take his time as goaltenders tend to take a while, but Markstrom will hold it down until then. But the 4 skaters all provide something this team needs. A potential top first line center, a potential elite scoerer, and 2 potential puck moving, pp specialist defensmen. This team will be in good shape. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you a solid team with a solid future.

While I do like the post in general, I have two comments:

 

1. Tryamkin will be on the 3rd line over Larsen. He showed too much promise to be ousted.

 

2. While I get that Lack is a great guy, I think Miller is done helping him learn the ropes.

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What GM isn't interested in Subban, interested in Stamkos, interested in adding a 20-30 goal top 6 forward to their group, and interested in Lucic? I bet Benning is interested in competing for the Stanley Cup next season too.

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheRussianRocket. said:

That would be the equivalent of Horvat/Virtanen/Boeser+5th+something 

 

from a Canucks perspective 

 

 

 

Edit: leave out Horvat and I easily do this deal. Would prefer to deal Virtanen over Boeser imho.

I hate to say this because Horvat is God and we now have a minus button but you are grossly undervaluing a young Norris winning Defensemen in PK Subban and greatly overvaluing Bo Horvat. 

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54 minutes ago, Alflives said:

God if that's all the cost is, the deal should be done already. That's a steal for the Oilers!

You kidding? Giving up Draisitl is a HUGE blow for them. RNH they can easily part with, heck maybe even Eberle, but Draisitl they need to keep. I wouldn't do it from an Oilers perspective. 

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3 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

I hate to say this because Horvat is God and we now have a minus button but you are grossly undervaluing a young Norris winning Defensemen in PK Subban and greatly overvaluing Bo Horvat. 

While Subban may still be young-ish, he doesn't fit the age group for this team competing.

 

We need to be targeting 21-25 year olds IMO.

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5 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

I hate to say this because Horvat is God and we now have a minus button but you are grossly undervaluing a young Norris winning Defensemen in PK Subban and greatly overvaluing Bo Horvat. 

No, all I'm saying is we don't have the organizational depth to trade Horvat and it's pretty common sense lol.

 

Not saying he's God or anything like that by any means, just that our centre depth is poo..

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