Jägermeister Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Jiggs50 said: Was never a Tkachuk fan but man is he playing well. Puts pressure on guys that were drafted ahead of him. That list doesn't just include Juolevi but also Pul and Dubois. I felt the exact same way. I was really hoping we didn't draft Tkachuk. Looks like I was wrong (luckily I'm not a scout). OJ still looks like he should develop into an impact Dman though, so I am happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horvats_Big_Head Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Winter Soldier said: Based on what? Formulate your answer. Based on him proving nothing so far, other than a great junior career. Tkachuk is already producing at the NHL level which would have been a big boost to the team. There are so many questions surrounding OJ simpl because he is a defensemen and takes longer to develop. We fans wanted a great top 6 forward. Also, Warhippy is not a nice guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 6 hours ago, Alflives said: Isn't Tkatchuk already producing, and impacting games, like a top six forward? Tkachuk is a forward..Joulevi is a Dman..there's no comparison here..Not very often you see an 18 yr old Dman come straight out of junior into the NHL...There's only 3 players from the 1st round currently making an impact in the NHL (all forwards)..Does that mean the other 27 will be lesser players or busts?..Certainly not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 8 hours ago, Honky Cat said: Tkachuk is a forward..Joulevi is a Dman..there's no comparison here..Not very often you see an 18 yr old Dman come straight out of junior into the NHL...There's only 3 players from the 1st round currently making an impact in the NHL (all forwards)..Does that mean the other 27 will be lesser players or busts?..Certainly not. Not saying Juiolevi is a bust, or will not become a top four dman. Simply stating a fact, that Tkatchuk is producing, and impacting games like a top six forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GettinGuddyWithIt Posted January 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Can you guys shut up about Tkachuk. Too bad for some of you that we can't go back in time to select him but I'm perfectly fine with Juolevi. Now let's talk about him. Juolevi is on pace to break his point totals from last year by quite a margin even without Marner, Tkachuk and Dvorak. I think that's a big positive. The guy also looks like he's on a mission after coming back from the WJC and hes playing with some fire inside of him. Edited January 14, 2017 by GettinGuddyWithIt 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Alflives said: Not saying Juiolevi is a bust, or will not become a top four dman. Simply stating a fact, that Tkatchuk is producing, and impacting games like a top six forward. You need to go away Just like 48 hours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey101 class Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Im sure if Benning's thinking the same now that we know what we have in stecher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted January 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 hours ago, GettinGuddyWithIt said: Can you guys shut up about Tkachuk. Too bad for some of you that we can't go back in time to select him but I'm perfectly fine with Juolevi. Now let's talk about him. Juolevi is on pace to break his point totals from last year by quite a margin even without Marner, Tkachuk and Dvorak. I think that's a big positive. The guy also looks like he's on a mission after coming back from the WJC and hes playing with some fire inside of him. Good post. Agree 100%. Maybe we should just have a "coulda woulda shoulda" thread where people can post about all the prospects we didn't draft? And keep all these early comparison posts in that thread. Personally, I'd love to see a moratorium on posts on Tkachuk, etc. until we get to the point where OJ is actually developed and playing in the NHL. At that point, feel free to compare and contrast him with others from his draft class. But for now, I'd rather see this thread devoted to discussion on Juolevi's progress (and not have to wade through pages of updates on what Tkachuk did last game). Not directing this at anyone in particular. And certainly nobody is breaking the rules by posting about how other draftees are doing in comparison to OJ. But I do feel like it's much too early for these comparisons to have much real meaning as to any kind of assessment of the pick. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 One word: meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBrew Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 18 hours ago, WTG said: 2nd point of the game https://streamable.com/8ik01 4 hours ago, GettinGuddyWithIt said: Can you guys shut up about Tkachuk. Too bad for some of you that we can't go back in time to select him but I'm perfectly fine with Juolevi. Now let's talk about him. Juolevi is on pace to break his point totals from last year by quite a margin even without Marner, Tkachuk and Dvorak. I think that's a big positive. The guy also looks like he's on a mission after coming back from the WJC and hes playing with some fire inside of him. The positive thing is... that we are no longer hearing about how Sam Bennett is going the next boy wonder. You know the kid that was herald so much in his first emergence into the NHL that people started to puke a little every time the colour commenters gushed over him. The kid is in his Draft+3 season and is showing no signs of improving on his last season. Is it a sophomore slump? Or is his ceiling really not that high? We really do not know at this point and the same can be said of Tkachuk. Will he regress next year when the rest of league catches up to his antics or will he continue to evolve his game? What I do know though, is that if what we have in Joulevi is sampled in the clip above then I am ecstatic to have him as our prospect! Our team has been SO lacking on that left point for so long it is ridiculous! Basically ever since Edler started to regress after the 2011-12 season we have been missing that element in the offensive zone along the blueline. Edler, imo, never really reached the potential we thought he had offensively either, so if Juolevi can come in and bring that game to our team we are in for a real boost to our overall game! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I remember being devastated at Dubois being taken off the board. Nonetheless, I wasn't happy nor sad at Juo being taken by us. I just didn't want Tkachuk. Tkachuk will not become as great as he's looking like now, you can quote me on it. He's good in a bunch of aspects but not great at anything. His point totals right now are a reflection of his overabundance of PP time and the fact that he's found a lot of chemistry with two guys who are having great seasons. Bennett is a better player and even he's stagnated. Given who we had to pick, I'm content with Juo. I'm hoping that he becomes a good dman for us although I'm skeptical that he's top 2 quality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podz92 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) I was very happy with this pick as well. Didn't want a jerk on the team and Tkachuk seems to have a lot of Kesler's attitude. OJ will probably need a year or so in the AHL but long term he should be a way more valuable player than Tkachuk, he sees the ice so well and thinks the game at such an elite level even if he doesn't translate into an Erik Karlsson type power play quarterback he has the potential to be the best defenseman Vancouver has ever had. I would be more than happy if he developed into a Paul Reinhart type dman Edited January 14, 2017 by JamesBlondage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, JamesBlondage said: I was very happy with this pick as well. Didn't want a jerk on the team and Tkachuk seems to have a lot of Kesler's attitude. OJ will probably need a year or so in the AHL but long term he should be a way more valuable player than Tkachuk, he sees the ice so well and thinks the game at such an elite level even if he doesn't translate into an Erik Karlsson type power play quarterback he has the potential to be the best defenseman Vancouver has ever had. I would be more than happy if he developed into a Paul Reinhart type dman Have you ever heard, "a bird in hand..."? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podz92 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I am not saying Tkachuk isn't a good player just not what I wanted to see on our team. And to my mind if I am not taking Tkachuk then OJ had to be the pick, no one else was close enough in my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscience Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, Honky Cat said: Tkachuk is a forward..Joulevi is a Dman..there's no comparison here..Not very often you see an 18 yr old Dman come straight out of junior into the NHL...There's only 3 players from the 1st round currently making an impact in the NHL (all forwards)..Does that mean the other 27 will be lesser players or busts?..Certainly not. Probably lesser players than matthews and laine but yes you can't compare forwards to defensmen when they are young and developing. Also i think some people have too high off expectations for the kid. It was said during the draft that there was no number 1 dman available. Joulevi was also considered a safer pick when compared to the other dman, meaning likely his ceiling is a number 2. Perhaps a tanev with more offense? Edited January 15, 2017 by Conscience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) Juolevi looks like a much different player than in the beginning of the season. He's looking like the player he was last season again. I think the WJC and the accompanying criticism really helped motivate him to show what he can really do. Edited January 15, 2017 by funkyfresh 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Captain Obvious to the rescue. Can we summon Captain Hindsight and have a party? And because it's directed towards Alf????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) + Edited January 15, 2017 by canuckledraggin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 27 points in 42 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: 27 points in 42 games ... 26 in 30? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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