Olli Juolevi | #48 | D

[hearditall]

1 hour ago, numb3r 16 said:

And...?

 

This is Olli Juolevi Talk.

Tkatchuk is Juolevi talk....

[SaintPatrick33]

34 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

Saw the goals today. He is basically feeding off somebody else's creation - not that there's anything wrong with that, but I have a sneaking suspicion that if we drafted Tkachuk, he won't be scoring for us much this year.
 

 

Agreed, which is why I did not want to draft him. In Junior he played with The Magician Marner, and now in cowtown he gets to play with guys like Johnny Hockey and Monohan, both of those guys can create chances on their own while Tkachuck finds an open spot or crashes a rebound. Hard to see who we have besides Bo who can do the same. Tkachuck is skilled around the net, but in terms of creating his own chances he is not that type of impact player IMO

[saucypass]

I'm happy with Juolevi. Honestly, I was disappointed we didn't pick Tkachuk, but I agree that he probably wouldn't have produced if he was on our team. Personally I think it's kind of dumb to compare the two since one is one defense while the other plays wing for elite players all his life. Even if Juolevi doesn't pan out, at least we tried to pick a prospect for defense.

[saucypass]

6 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

 

 

 

That's just a dumb excuse.

 

You know who Tkatchuk reminds me of?  A younger Alex Burrows.  You know who would be a good fit with the Sedin's right now?  .A younger Alex Burrows.   Tkatchuk would do just fine on our team.  

 

I haven't been able to watch Juolevi play any junior games yet this year but he is 10th on his team in scoring and 4th on his team in defence scoring.. He has played less games than most but still, how does this happen?  

 

Excuses about Tkatchuk playing with elite players like Marner and Dvorak....well in case you guys didn't know, Juolevi was on that team as well and when his stock really started to rise at the WJHC, who was he playing with?   Jesse Puliajarvi and some guy named Patrik Laine.

 

I'm not freaking out yet it's still way to early but if Juolevi doesn't turn out am I going to be surprised?  Not in the slightest.   

 

 

 

 

 

Well it's not like the Sedins are getting going with Loui Eriksson so I don't really know if Matthew Tkachuk would've really made much of a difference. Not to mention, do you really think Willie D would put Tkachuk on the top line with the Sedins? Yeah, I really didn't think so either. 

 

I'm not taking anything away from Tkachuk, but you must realize by now that he's a great complimentary player to those who create. You said it yourself, he reminds you of a young Burrows. Burrows was exactly that wasn't he? Again, not taking anything away from Tkachuk, just saying that's the kind of player he is and we don't really have a particular need for one right now. We need players who can CREATE. 

 

That's right. His stock rose playing with Laine and Puljujarvi, and guess what? Juolevi dominated in that performance because he was able to create strong defensive stability and was able to transition the puck onto offense in a split second. Not only was he able to transition the puck and dominate defensively, but he was able to jump up into the play and create some offense with Laine and Puljujarvi. That's why his stock rose. I mean, you saw it too right?

 

But I do agree to a degree, Tkachuk is definitely looking pretty good right now. But I'm certain Juolevi will look even better when he's up with us. He's a player who can definitely create. Which is what we need most. I mean I'm sick of role players on this team, this whole fanbase is, aren't you? 

[Junkyard Dog]

 

I am not going to worry.

 

Juolevi is a sure fire pick and would probably be playing in the NHL if he had the strength. Going into the draft I always thought Juolevi was at the very least a top 4 defenseman. Our prospect pool needed a blue chip on the blue line and we have one now, the first one since Luc Bourdon(RIP).

 

I hope he does pan out and becomes a top 2 defenseman for us. Has the skill set and smarts to do so.

 

 

Edited November 4, 2016 by Junkyard Dog

[SaintPatrick33]

50 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

 

 

 

That's just a dumb excuse.

 

You know who Tkatchuk reminds me of?  A younger Alex Burrows.  You know who would be a good fit with the Sedin's right now?  .A younger Alex Burrows.   Tkatchuk would do just fine on our team.  

 

I haven't been able to watch Juolevi play any junior games yet this year but he is 10th on his team in scoring and 4th on his team in defence scoring.. He has played less games than most but still, how does this happen?  

 

Excuses about Tkatchuk playing with elite players like Marner and Dvorak....well in case you guys didn't know, Juolevi was on that team as well and when his stock really started to rise at the WJHC, who was he playing with?   Jesse Puliajarvi and some guy named Patrik Laine.

 

I'm not freaking out yet it's still way to early but if Juolevi doesn't turn out am I going to be surprised?  Not in the slightest.   

 

 

 

 

 

My friend, I would have to respectfully disagree. Tkachuk is the type of player who takes advantage of opportunities. He is no Marner, Matthews, Laine or Poolparty. He cannot create chances off the rush or by himself. You stated you have seen him play, well where are all his goals from? Second Chances? Great passes from skilled players? He would have been a bad pick. Given our draft pick slot and the fact Dubois was gone by our pick, I think JB actually made a decent pick. 

 

Just think of it, we both know Tkachuk would have been either playing like 8 min a game or be sent down to the AHL by now. Instead he is playing with some great offensive talents in Johnny G and Monohan, and as a result he scores. Heck, even Bouma and Comauau have played with them and put up some points. 

 

Development is all about who and how you surround talent with. Right now, we lack this capability. I think Joulevei will be the better pick for this team, since we havent nurtured offensive talent since the Sedins and Kesler (thanks to AV for that). 

Edited November 4, 2016 by SaintPatrick33

[SaintPatrick33]

Just now, The 5th Line said:

 

Why do you make it sound like a player who takes advantage of other players' good plays is a bad thing?  He's a finisher.  He's a left handed Corey Perry.

 

Can't create chances by himself?  How many games have you seen him play?  The kid didn't get 100 points by banging in rebounds.  Go watch the game winning goal at the mem cup.

 

Every team has offensive talents who create scenarios for a finisher to score..that's how hockey works.  

 

 

 

My main issue is who do yo see him jelling with? Our only playmaker is Bo, and he is trying to do it all himself at the moment. Tkakuch can be a great player if he is surrounded by the right playmakers. Unfortunately, we have neither at this time, and hence I stand by the belief that he would be wasted. Sutter, Hank (who can only play with his bro) or grandlund or Sutter would not give him the chances needed to be successful. The realization has set in, and that is the fact we cannot produce offensive players in our organization. Name one offensive player who has flourished on this team since the Sedins and Kesler? Not one. Bo is given garbage shifts even though he is our leading goal scorer. BS. 

 

This IMO is what is setting back our team. Any plug can play D, but it takes skill, guts and creativity to create scoring chances. Right now our only guy is Bo. The rest are either over the hill or just future 2 way plugs. 

[SaintPatrick33]

2 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

 

So should we just stop drafting forwards all together or something?  We need more offensive talent so that they can work together.  Sedins, Eriksson and Baertschi are all playmakers we just don't have enough finishers(shutout 4 of the last 5 games)  Bo isn't a playmaker, he is more of a power forward who can do a bit of everything.

 

I know we need a good defenseman but I hope he can start to put up some bigger numbers and show that he can dominate.  Like I said, he's 10th on his team in scoring

 

 

I do not disagree with you in the aspect that we need goal scoring forwards; however, tkachuk is not the player we need. If we finished top 3, we could have landed either Poolparty or Dubios, two skilled playmakers who make their teammates better. IMO I do not see Tkachuck as being that type of player. 

 

Canuck luck is what it is, we never get what we need. As I have said before Lindens face said it all at the draft lotto....finished 3rd worst and get the 5th overall? Even with Quinn's lucky charms? Come on man, life as a Nucks fan sucks right now. 

[Stelar]

2 hours ago, SaintPatrick33 said:

 

I do not disagree with you in the aspect that we need goal scoring forwards; however, tkachuk is not the player we need. If we finished top 3, we could have landed either Poolparty or Dubios, two skilled playmakers who make their teammates better. IMO I do not see Tkachuck as being that type of player. 

 

Canuck luck is what it is, we never get what we need. As I have said before Lindens face said it all at the draft lotto....finished 3rd worst and get the 5th overall? Even with Quinn's lucky charms? Come on man, life as a Nucks fan sucks right now. 

 

Hate to break it to you but it has sucked for most of their existence.  We had a good 5-10 years or so of a good run but other than that its been bleak.

[thejazz97]

9 minutes ago, Stelar said:

 

Hate to break it to you but it has sucked for most of their existence.  We had a good 5-10 years or so of a good run but other than that its been bleak.

 

We're late 90s right now. With Horvat and Boeser and whoever else, we'll get back to the WCE era. It's a cycle.

[SaintPatrick33]

21 minutes ago, Stelar said:

 

Hate to break it to you but it has sucked for most of their existence.  We had a good 5-10 years or so of a good run but other than that its been bleak.

 

Haha that is exactly what I am saying. If you have watched the 70's and 80's, this current trend is nothing. Back then we were just lucky to get a tie with the powerhouses of the league, which is why I am hoping for a patient rebuild. The 2000's have been great to us, got to watch the Twins and Kes put up some monster numbers and win titles, although the early 90's Nucks will always have my heart. Nobody can replace Bure and Linden among the Nucks greats IMO. 

 

As for this iteration, I will have to wait until Bo becomes the unquestioned leader before I start to believe again

 

[Vinny in Vancouver]

5 hours ago, The 5th Line said:

 

 

 

That's just a dumb excuse.

 

You know who Tkatchuk reminds me of?  A younger Alex Burrows.  You know who would be a good fit with the Sedin's right now?  .A younger Alex Burrows.   Tkatchuk would do just fine on our team.  

 

I haven't been able to watch Juolevi play any junior games yet this year but he is 10th on his team in scoring and 4th on his team in defence scoring.. He has played less games than most but still, how does this happen?  

 

Excuses about Tkatchuk playing with elite players like Marner and Dvorak....well in case you guys didn't know, Juolevi was on that team as well and when his stock really started to rise at the WJHC, who was he playing with?   Jesse Puliajarvi and some guy named Patrik Laine.

 

I'm not freaking out yet it's still way to early but if Juolevi doesn't turn out am I going to be surprised?  Not in the slightest.   

 

And you would draft Alex Burrows that high? A younger Alex Burrows wouldn't be good enough for the Sedins right now because the Sedins have lost a step or two. Even with their best efforts, they have a hard enough time just bringing the puck in a timely fashion from D to O. What they need is a hockey equivalent of Viagra.

What doesn't make sense: D-men's draft stock going high because of their fellow O players. Only people who evaluate D-men based on scoring highlights on YouTube think that way. For D-men, the peole drafting watch the whole game and play by play see how the D-men position themselves to D, how they position themselves on O to try to create passing lanes or move the other team's D to maximize their chances of getting a scoring opportunity, how fast they skate, their decision making with the puck, how well they absorb hits, etc.

[aGENT]

10 hours ago, DeNiro said:

 

Yea true.

 

I know Juolevi is a player we need in the long run, it's just tough to watch these young offensive players that we could have drafted produce. Especially when this team is starving for goal scorers right now. 

 

To think we could have Tkachuk, Nylander, and Boeser among our forward group going forward is hard to just forget about.

Sadly, we can't draft ALL the players 

[Phat Fingers]

9 hours ago, suitup said:

I'm happy with Juolevi. Honestly, I was disappointed we didn't pick Tkachuk, but I agree that he probably wouldn't have produced if he was on our team. Personally I think it's kind of dumb to compare the two since one is one defense while the other plays wing for elite players all his life. Even if Juolevi doesn't pan out, at least we tried to pick a prospect for defense.

 

 

For me Tkachuk was never my choice at 5. Either one of the top forwards fell, screw you Columbus. At five it was one of the big three D or trade down. I wanted JC, I think his detractors where over blown. That being said I am not a scout and JB liked Olli more. Can't blame him and scouting is a long game.  

[BlackBeard]

Tkachuk might have been that 20g scoring winger JB was looking for. Went pass head maybe

[Warhippy]

4 minutes ago, BlackBeard said:

Tkachuk might have been that 20g scoring winger JB was looking for. Went pass head maybe

Tkachuk might have been that 4th line winger to slot in opposite Virtanen Benning was looking for over Skille.

 

 

[BlackBeard]

31 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Tkachuk might have been that 4th line winger to slot in opposite Virtanen Benning was looking for over Skille.

 

 

nah, he's game is not for the 4th line

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, BlackBeard said:

nah, he's game is not for the 4th line

Virtanen McCaan and Horvat say hi

 

Just because he IS playing top 6 in Calgary doesn't mean he'd get top 6 here.

[BlackBeard]

Just now, Warhippy said:

Virtanen McCaan and Horvat say hi

 

Just because he IS playing top 6 in Calgary doesn't mean he'd get top 6 here.

yeah, Virtanen should be in Utica.

I think it's perfect if we have Tkachuk with sven and Bo. Tkachuk is very good in front of the net and is a pain in the ass to the goalie, he might help finish sven and Bos passes in front of the net, both sven and Bo are good enough on the boards 

[aGENT]

2 minutes ago, BlackBeard said:

yeah, Virtanen should be in Utica.

I think it's perfect if we have Tkachuk with sven and Bo. Tkachuk is very good in front of the net and is a pain in the ass to the goalie, he might help finish sven and Bos passes in front of the net, both sven and Bo are good enough on the boards 

 

Does it really matter much what Tkachuck may or may not have done here, on this team, this year?

 

I'm more concerned with who will be better 3+ years from now.