aGENT Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jiggs50 said: Can't trade both. Need to keep one. Defense would sorely lack experience. We can't just throw all our young guys out there at once. Maybe trade one of them in the off-season and see how the defense holds up until the trade deadline? Safer and more realistic imo. You're right, it probably is more realistic to do one now, one at the TDL I doubt Benning will sell both this summer...but one can dream. I don't know, the below scenario isn't THAT terrifying IMO Just now, J.R. said: IMO, we're at the point now where we have enough ready, young guys (particularly on D) that we can afford to move Edler/Tanev and fill holes with youth and cheap UFA's. They'd just have us picking at +/- 10th instead of +/- 5th. Hutton, Gudbranson Sbisa, Stecher Tryamkin, UFA (or maybe Juolevi) Pedan, Biega, McEneny, UFA etc available as spares Subban, Brisebois etc in Utica That's not remotely a contending D core but it's 'good enough' to a roll 3 pairs pretty even and for a team projecting to finish bottom 10 and it sure would set us up for the future nicely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, J.R. said: IMO, we're at the point now where we have enough ready, young guys (particularly on D) that we can afford to move Edler/Tanev and fill holes with youth and cheap UFA's. They'd just have us picking at +/- 10th instead of +/- 5th. Hutton, Gudbranson Sbisa, Stecher Tryamkin, UFA (or maybe Juolevi) Pedan, Biega, McEneny, UFA etc available as spares Subban, Brisebois etc in Utica That's not remotely a contending D core but it's 'good enough' to a roll 3 pairs pretty even and for a team projecting to finish bottom 10 and it sure would set us up for the future nicely. All those D. men will be MUCH better next year...2 were rookies and 1 a sophomore and all except Sbisa are under 25, most under 23...even Sbisa will be better next year, he seems to have gotten the idea of what a stupid pass is and his positioning is much better. Juolevi may bulk up and surprise people as well. All the same Tanev should stay to mentor.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great 8 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Do you guys think Pettersson is being underrated and a guy like Vilardi being overrated simply due to the height difference? Because honestly Pettersson is a really good player and much better offensively than Vilardi. I haven't watched Pettersson's games but his highlights have me thinking he has a bright future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Pettersson is close to Necas for me. Allsvenskan isnt an easy league to score in. Biggest difference is the late birthday of Vilardi makes him almost a year younger than Pettersson. People are excited about Dahlin, but Pettersson has similar stats and is a year younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffy05 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 54 minutes ago, The Great 8 said: Do you guys think Pettersson is being underrated and a guy like Vilardi being overrated simply due to the height difference? Because honestly Pettersson is a really good player and much better offensively than Vilardi. I haven't watched Pettersson's games but his highlights have me thinking he has a bright future. Those two are the same height, though Pettersson is very slight right now. Both 6'2 according to eliteprospects.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Who are you hoping falls to us at #33? My unrealsitic hopes are Yamamoto, Kostin, or Comtois. They are likely not going to fall that far though. Assuming we take a centre with our top pick: 1.) Erik Brannstrom D 2.) Nicolas Hague D 3.) Robert Thomas C 4.) Ryan Poehling LW 5.) Matt Strome LW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, The Great 8 said: Do you guys think Pettersson is being underrated and a guy like Vilardi being overrated simply due to the height difference? Because honestly Pettersson is a really good player and much better offensively than Vilardi. I haven't watched Pettersson's games but his highlights have me thinking he has a bright future. I think to an extent this is the case. I'm not a big Vilardi fan because I just don't see the offensive creativity and see him as a great number two centre in the future. We already have that. We need guys that are offensively gifted. That's the reason why we're hanging in the bottom of the NHL. Not enough skill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: I think to an extent this is the case. I'm not a big Vilardi fan because I just don't see the offensive creativity and see him as a great number two centre in the future. We already have that. We need guys that are offensively gifted. That's the reason why we're hanging in the bottom of the NHL. Not enough skill! I'm leaning away from Vilardi for that reason as well. Same with Glass. Basically, if we can't land one of Patrick, Hischier, Mittelstadt or Liljegren (Lilly obviously isn't a center, but could be the PP QB we need), I'd consider trading down or moving the pick entirely. Edited April 19, 2017 by 48MPHSlapShot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: The question is which line up is the best and how do it fit with our core 2017 - Patrick/ Hischier 2018 - Svechnikov/ Dahlin/ Tkachuk _____ _____ Boeser Sven Horvat Goldy BPA fixes all issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 34 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: I think to an extent this is the case. I'm not a big Vilardi fan because I just don't see the offensive creativity and see him as a great number two centre in the future. We already have that. We need guys that are offensively gifted. That's the reason why we're hanging in the bottom of the NHL. Not enough skill! Goldy, Sven and boeser fill that hole. Vilardi dominates when he has the puck, the guy play a lot like Foppa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Goldy, Sven and boeser fill that hole. Vilardi dominates when he has the puck, the guy play a lot like Foppa. Playing the Foppa card to try to butter me up! Sven is a good 2nd liner. Boeser looks like he'll probably be a 1st liner but that's not in stone and hopefully one of Goldy/Dahlen can become a 1st liner but again... not written in stone. Also none of them are C's (or project to be). We need a guy with 1C offensive potential to at the very least feed/play off of Boeser (and whoever else ends up on that line). Maybe that is Vilardi, and if that's what Benning and Co decide, I'll support it the pick. After all, they do have a lot more and better information and experience to go off. I'm just not seeing it myself. Or maybe they have a trade lined up...something like Hutton + Baer for a young, play making C. By all means, I'd be far more open to Vilardi in that case as well as I think he'd look fantastic on Horvat's W, eventually on the 2nd line. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHockeyNerds Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHockeyNerds Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Liljegren seems to be falling fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffy05 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 4 hours ago, BCNate said: Who are you hoping falls to us at #33? My unrealsitic hopes are Yamamoto, Kostin, or Comtois. They are likely not going to fall that far though. Assuming we take a centre with our top pick: 1.) Erik Brannstrom D 2.) Nicolas Hague D 3.) Robert Thomas C 4.) Ryan Poehling LW 5.) Matt Strome LW Thomas may. Hague is a non-starter- a kid his size that skates like he does is a GM's dream. Poeling, Listing and Yamamoto are likely gone by the mid-20's. Comtois may, he strikes me as one of those draft day fallers, he's already fallen so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, TheHockeyNerds said: Liljegren seems to be falling fast He'll be a steal after 10 IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffy05 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said: He'll be a steal after 10 IMO a lá Chychrun? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffy05 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 2 hours ago, J.R. said: Playing the Foppa card to try to butter me up! Sven is a good 2nd liner. Boeser looks like he'll probably be a 1st liner but that's not in stone and hopefully one of Goldy/Dahlen can become a 1st liner but again... not written in stone. Also none of them are C's (or project to be). We need a guy with 1C offensive potential to at the very least feed/play off of Boeser (and whoever else ends up on that line). Maybe that is Vilardi, and if that's what Benning and Co decide, I'll support it the pick. After all, they do have a lot more and better information and experience to go off. I'm just not seeing it myself. Or maybe they have a trade lined up...something like Hutton + Baer for a young, play making C. By all means, I'd be far more open to Vilardi in that case as well as I think he'd look fantastic on Horvat's W, eventually on the 2nd line. Most of what I'm hearing is Villardi is more likely a winger. Not saying he can't stay at center, but he is no lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, Scruffy05 said: a lá Chychrun? Ah ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 could we find a chart detailing total points by age in the OHL and showing only 17 year old players like Vilardi? Basing his production against only 17 and 18 year old players would be a FAR better benchmark for his draft class than basing him against a league of 19 and 20 year old players. Because 42nd in points in the OHL at age 17 with 61 points in 49 games isn't terrible. But how is that production vs other 17 and 18 year old players is what I'd really like to know 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 5 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Goldy, Sven and boeser fill that hole. Vilardi dominates when he has the puck, the guy play a lot like Foppa. I really hope JB and Trevor are on the same page we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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