R35Godz1lla Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 2 hours ago, shiznak said: No matter how you look at it......it was still a massive overpayment by Chiarelli. The Oilers would have made the playoffs regardless if they made this trade or not. A healthy Klefbom and McDavid, the key signings of Letestu, Lucic, and Russell, the trade that resurrected Kassian's hockey career. They simply have a more balance team than ever before. Somehow I don't think Hall gets them past the Sharks though. Even I will admit ( and I agree Hall was an over-payment at the time of the trade ) that Larsson has been key for the Oiler in these playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 4 hours ago, shiznak said: No matter how you look at it......it was still a massive overpayment by Chiarelli. Nope. You're just looking at it in a particularly shiny forward way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I think we can easily put this to rest by saying Larsson helped get them to the playoffs Hall didn't as of now Larsson has more playoff goals as an Oiler and playoff GWGs than Hall ever will And THAT makes it a solid deal for a team that should by all rights and intelligent thought have drafted the center over the winger; the winner in this trade thus far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 48 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I think we can easily put this to rest by saying Larsson helped get them to the playoffs Hall didn't as of now Larsson has more playoff goals as an Oiler and playoff GWGs than Hall ever will And THAT makes it a solid deal for a team that should by all rights and intelligent thought have drafted the center over the winger; the winner in this trade thus far Agreed with your statement about Larsson helping them in ways that Hall really wouldn't be able to (e.g. getting in the playoffs). He's the solid D-man in front of Talbot that the Oil have needed alongside Klefbom, and now he's starting to reach his potential in that regard (he plays north of 20 mins most nights and can occasionally contribute offense along with the solid defensive play). However, disagreed with the draft-a-center statement. If they took Tyler they would still have been weak in their own end as Tyler is just as offensively oriented as Taylor, and who knows if they would've taken Nugent-Hopkins that high up in the following year instead of taking Adam Larsson (assuming they would've still sucked with Tyler, which seems like a safe assumption to make). Maybe Adam would've become a bust if he started off his career in Edmonton? Hindsight is always 20/20, especially when so many people back then were making Best Player Available statements about Hall in his draft year. It's not always so cut and dry until you look at it retrospectively but then that undermines the amount of assessing that the staff would've had to do with the roster that they had and were hoping to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 3 hours ago, oldnews said: Nope. You're just looking at it in a particularly shiny forward way. So, you would have been content with Benning if he only got Sbisa in the Kesler trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I told you guys this was a better trade than most thought it was. Most people had never seen Larsson play or barely watch any out of market games and were the judge and jury on this trade. I liked this trade then and like it even more now. Good job Chiarelli. Not only this trade but Chia has completely rebuilt this team in a very short time since he got to EDM. He's turned this team into a big heavy tough to play against team. They play a very structured game, great defensively and can light it up when needed. They have a great 1st pair with Klefbom and Larsson, both signed long term at around 4.5 mill per year each. What a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 1 hour ago, shiznak said: So, you would have been content with Benning if he only got Sbisa in the Kesler trade? Larsson = Sbisa...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 4 hours ago, J.R. said: Larsson = Sbisa...? Comparison on a smaller scale. Sbisa was a fairly young defensemen (23) playing top 4 minutes in Anaheim, still waiting to breakout. It's actually a worse scenario, considering Anaheim had all the leverage in the world, because Kesler was only interested in going to Anaheim. Murray could have decline all offers from Benning, forcing him to not trade him and letting him walk for nothing next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 hour ago, shiznak said: Comparison on a smaller scale. Sbisa was a fairly young defensemen (23) playing top 4 minutes in Anaheim, still waiting to breakout. It's actually a worse scenario, considering Anaheim had all the leverage in the world, because Kesler was only interested in going to Anaheim. Murray could have decline all offers from Benning, forcing him to not trade him and letting him walk for nothing next season. You are aware Larsson is a better D man....right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 2 hours ago, J.R. said: You are aware Larsson is a better D man....right? Are you aware Sbisa had similar numbers as Larsson, if he played a full season, at the age of 23? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 6 hours ago, shiznak said: Are you aware Sbisa had similar numbers as Larsson, if he played a full season, at the age of 23? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 It's still a terrible trade no matter how good Larsson ends up being. The Oilers traded one of the best left wingers in the league for an unproven defensemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, peaches5 said: It's still a terrible trade no matter how good Larsson ends up being. The Oilers traded one of the best left wingers in the league for an unproven defensemen. Not only that. He's a lottery ball specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Using Oiler Logic of Hall for Larsson + Lucic now the trade is: Hall + 1st OA for Larsson + Lucic lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 1 hour ago, peaches5 said: It's still a terrible trade no matter how good Larsson ends up being. The Oilers traded one of the best left wingers in the league for an unproven defensemen. the only unproven aspect here is whether you knew anything at all about the players involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 22 hours ago, shiznak said: Are you aware Sbisa had similar numbers as Larsson, Good point. Larsson, number 6. Luca wears number 5. Kinda similar. You have a point. Never thought of it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, oldnews said: Good point. Larsson, number 6. Luca wears number 5. Kinda similar. You have a point. Never thought of it that way. Sbisa's numbers at the age of 23: 8pts in 41 games, averaging just shy of 20 minutes a game. Corsi rating of 45%. Fenwick rating of 46%. 99 hits with 57 blocked shots. Playing in a lockout season. Larsson's numbers: 18 pts in 82 games, averaging 22 minutes. Corsi rating of 43%. Fenwick rating of 44%. 163 hits, with 148 blocked shots. Playing a full season. Both players struggle to stay with the main club, in previous seasons, and have been regularly in and out of the lineup. Obviously Larsson will always have that higher ceiling than Sbisa, due to him being picked higher in the draft, but they were fairly similar players at that age. It just happens Larsson somewhat reached his potential and Sbisa trended downwards (sorta). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, shiznak said: Sbisa's numbers at the age of 23: 8pts in 41 games, averaging just shy of 20 minutes a game. Corsi rating of 45%. Fenwick rating of 46%. 99 hits with 57 blocked shots. Playing in a lockout season. Larsson's numbers: 18 pts in 82 games, averaging 22 minutes. Corsi rating of 43%. Fenwick rating of 44%. 163 hits, with 148 blocked shots. Playing a full season. Both players struggle to stay with the main club, in previous seasons, and have been regularly in and out of the lineup. Obviously Larsson will always have that higher ceiling than Sbisa, due to him being picked higher in the draft, but they were fairly similar players at that age. It just happens Larsson somewhat reached his potential and Sbisa trended downwards (sorta). Sbisa played arguably the hardest minutes in the NHL at age 23? Good to know. Was one of the best young shutdown defensemen in the league? The Kesler deal just gets better and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 15 hours ago, oldnews said: the only unproven aspect here is whether you knew anything at all about the players involved. I like how you think you're so much smarter than everyone else. You're not though. You're just someone who has no life and spends their entire day on a hockey forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 3 hours ago, peaches5 said: I like how you think you're so much smarter than everyone else. You're not though. You're just someone who has no life and spends their entire day on a hockey forum. Larsson aint unproven and wasn't a year ago either, simple as that. It's not about 'smart' - it's about actually looking at the player and not substituting your own fiction for reality. Ironically, you appear to think you're so much smarter than an NHL franchise that apparently traded a 1st overall for an 'unproven' defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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