Lancaster Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 LE is never a "bad" player. He's just overpaid for what his current abilities are. Plus he's also at an age where he isn't part of the Canucks future, thus his position in the lineup is usually vacated for players that are trying to establish themselves or to develop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Loui Erikkson would not be playing if there were no injuries. A lot of emotions trumping reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, aqua59 said: Loui Erikkson would not be playing if there were no injuries. A lot of emotions trumping reality. what? can't you give a player credit for a decent stretch of games? I think maybe its someone else who can't get over their opinions and see whats gone on. Edited January 6, 2020 by Jimmy McGill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 We should still get rid of Eriksson at almost all costs, but he has at least managed to be average in this short span of games. I can't remember seeing him battle in front of the net for a couple seasons and there have been a few times lately that he has been there and even screened on goals that he didn't count on the scoresheet for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Provost said: We should still get rid of Eriksson at almost all costs, but he has at least managed to be average in this short span of games. I can't remember seeing him battle in front of the net for a couple seasons and there have been a few times lately that he has been there and even screened on goals that he didn't count on the scoresheet for. Not unlike Goldy and Baer, Ericksson has to be moved by the TDL. He gets a number of games with Bo looking not bad and maybe there is a deal to be made. Lot of CAP tied up in those 3. In an ideal world LE is moved and Virtanen takes his spot. MacEwan can get TOI at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Not unlike Goldy and Baer, Ericksson has to be moved by the TDL. He gets a number of games with Bo looking not bad and maybe there is a deal to be made. Lot of CAP tied up in those 3. In an ideal world LE is moved and Virtanen takes his spot. MacEwan can get TOI at that point. Such an easy thing to say, yet almost impossible to do. Or...say bye to some draft picks or prospects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Lou love coming up It seems with Sutter out and Bo taking the hard matchups Lou has played a huge role. I've been noticing he's been doing a good job defensively and I think helping Bo out big time. Then on the offensive end he looks to be getting his awareness back. I like that in this call up he's been putting up points but not in an inflating way, like 3 points in a game He also has a plus rating during his time with horvat, Horvat is also putting up pluses in this time. I don't think this is a coincidence as the line has been looking great a d generating more 5v5 goals, something Bo has been lacking a couple weeks ago Anyways, keep Eriksson in the lineup and let him continue to build confidence and chemistry with Bo and Pearson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, higgyfan said: Such an easy thing to say, yet almost impossible to do. Or...say bye to some draft picks or prospects. True enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, higgyfan said: Such an easy thing to say, yet almost impossible to do. Or...say bye to some draft picks or prospects. NHL 20 I had to package him with a 1st to even get an offer and it was a 4th and a 5th from LA Ended up doing Eriksson Lind 1st for Duclair Ennis Even cpus don't want him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Loui Eriksson could be the winger Bo Horvat has been waiting for all this time Daniel Wagner / Vancouver Courier JANUARY 9, 2020 10:20 AM Pass it to Bulis Photograph By DAN TOULGOET / VANCOUVER COURIER The Paper Feature is a weekly column and sidebars that appears in the print edition of the Vancouver Courier newspaper. Track it down! Bo Horvat was supposed to have better and more consistent wingers this season. The Canucks added J.T. Miller and Micheal Ferland in the summer with the intention of providing their top-two centres, Horvat and Elias Pettersson, with some solid wingers. article continues below TRENDING STORIES Environment Canada calls for 'real chance' of snow in Vancouver tomorrow Here are the winning numbers for that $70 million Lotto Max jackpot Metro Vancouver family, Langara student among those killed in Tehran plane crash Let it snow: Vancouver forecast calls for chance of snow this week RELATED Vancouver Canucks name Bo Horvat the 14th captain in franchise history How good and consistent wingers could have a big impact on Bo Horvat this season Where can Bo Horvat go from here? Jim Benning expected Loui Eriksson to be a consistent 20-goal scorer That’s worked out well for Pettersson, who has found chemistry with Miller and Brock Boeser to form what fans call The Lotto Line. Pettersson leads the Canucks in scoring with 44 points through 42 games, while Miller is right behind him with 40 points, on-pace to obliterate his career high of 56 points. Horvat hasn’t quite seen the same benefit. 12 different forwards have played at least 20 minutes with Horvat at 5-on-5 this season, echoing the inconsistency of his linemates last season. Horvat talked about the importance of consistent linemates back in September, before the season began. “It'd be great, I'm not gonna lie,” he said. “Last year with injuries and stuff, playing with pretty much everybody and every combination you can think of, it's tough to get chemistry.” Horvat has had one fairly consistent linemate this season: Tanner Pearson, who sits fifth in Canucks scoring behind Horvat. On the other wing, however, he’s seen a wide variety of players, none of whom have stuck long-term. That’s partly because of injuries. Antoine Roussel missed the first two months of the season recovering from knee surgery, Micheal Ferland suffered a concussion a month into the season, and Josh Leivo fractured his knee cap a few weeks ago. Beyond those injury issues, it’s been hard to find the right fit for Horvat, which has led to some struggles at 5-on-5 this season for the Canucks captain. While he’s still put up points on the power play, Horvat has just four goals at 5-on-5. Two of those goals, however, have come since one particular winger has joined his line. The duo of Horvat and Pearson have been at their best with one particular linemate: the much-maligned Loui Eriksson. The Canucks’ highest-paid forward has never lived up to his hefty contract and has spent much of this season in the press box as a healthy scratch. When he has played, he’s primarily been in a fourth-line role and has been invisible on the scoresheet. In this last stretch of games on the second-line with Horvat, however, Eriksson has looked comfortable and been productive. He has four points in his last six games, a solid hot streak by his standards, and the impact he’s had on Horvat and Pearson is noticeable. On Saturday’s tight-checking game against the New York Rangers, for instance, the Horvat line provided both Canucks goals and Loui Eriksson played a key role. On the first, he set up in front of the net and tipped Horvat’s centring pass back between his legs, creating the rebound; on the second, he set a perfect screen in front of goaltender Alexandar Gieorgiev. Eriksson’s simplified go-to-the-net strategy in the offensive zone seems to be exactly what Horvat needs, but more importantly, Eriksson is solid defensively. With Adam Gaudette centring a more offensive-minded third line, Horvat has had to take on the match-up role against opposing top lines, which has been a tough ask for some of the wingers on his line. Eriksson, however, is up for that particular task. Looking at the underlying numbers of the Horvat line via analytics site Natural Stat Trick, the difference with and without Eriksson is stark. The Canucks control 54.22% of the shot attempts (corsi) with Eriksson, compared to 50.53% without him, but scoring chances are even more tilted: 55.29% with Eriksson; 45.73% without Eriksson. 5-on-5 via NaturalStatTrick.com Corsi-For-% Scoring-Chance-For-% Goals-For-% Horvat and Pearson with Eriksson 54.22 55.29 66.67 Horvat and Pearson without Eriksson 50.53 45.73 42.86 In other words, the Canucks significantly out-chance their opposition with Horvat, Pearson, and Eriksson on the ice at 5-on-5; they get significantly out-chanced when Horvat and Pearson are on the ice with other wingers. Since Eriksson joined Horvat's line, Horvat has nine points in seven games, none of them on the power play. Pearson has nine points too. While Eriksson is unlikely to play up to his high-priced contract, perhaps he can at least help Horvat live up to his. Stick-taps and Glove-drops A tap of the stick to Chris Gear, who the Canucks promoted to Assistant General Manager this week. Gear has been a key player in hockey operations for the Canucks for four years, handling legal issues, contract negotiations, and business operations. A stick-tap to Team Canada, who came through with the gold medal at the 2020 World Junior Championship. They shook off the worst loss in Canadian World Junior history — a 6-0 thumping by Russia in the preliminary round — to defeat Russia 4-3 in a thrilling gold medal game. Big Numbers 14 - The Canucks have one of the best records at home in the NHL, with 14 wins, 5 losses, and 3 overtime losses. That’s good for the fourth-best home record in the league this season. 11 - Canucks prospect Nils Höglander was one of the best players at the 2020 World Junior Championships, finishing third in scoring with 11 points in 6 games. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Seeing Loui becoming a productive member of the second line must be huge weight lifted off of Benning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 34 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Seeing Loui becoming a productive member of the second line must be huge weight lifted off of Benning. I think its good for everyone, including the fan base. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The article I posted on the previous page didn't mention Leivo - but using the same stat site its also clear that Leivo is not a better option on that line than Loui. http://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=all&score=all&rate=y&team=VAN&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2019-10-02&td=2020-04-04&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8477500&p2=8476871&p3=8476410&p4=0&p5=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: Loui Eriksson could be the winger Bo Horvat has been waiting for all this time Daniel Wagner / Vancouver Courier JANUARY 9, 2020 10:20 AM Pass it to Bulis Photograph By DAN TOULGOET / VANCOUVER COURIER The Paper Feature is a weekly column and sidebars that appears in the print edition of the Vancouver Courier newspaper. Track it down! Bo Horvat was supposed to have better and more consistent wingers this season. The Canucks added J.T. Miller and Micheal Ferland in the summer with the intention of providing their top-two centres, Horvat and Elias Pettersson, with some solid wingers. article continues below TRENDING STORIES Environment Canada calls for 'real chance' of snow in Vancouver tomorrow Here are the winning numbers for that $70 million Lotto Max jackpot Metro Vancouver family, Langara student among those killed in Tehran plane crash Let it snow: Vancouver forecast calls for chance of snow this week RELATED Vancouver Canucks name Bo Horvat the 14th captain in franchise history How good and consistent wingers could have a big impact on Bo Horvat this season Where can Bo Horvat go from here? Jim Benning expected Loui Eriksson to be a consistent 20-goal scorer That’s worked out well for Pettersson, who has found chemistry with Miller and Brock Boeser to form what fans call The Lotto Line. Pettersson leads the Canucks in scoring with 44 points through 42 games, while Miller is right behind him with 40 points, on-pace to obliterate his career high of 56 points. Horvat hasn’t quite seen the same benefit. 12 different forwards have played at least 20 minutes with Horvat at 5-on-5 this season, echoing the inconsistency of his linemates last season. Horvat talked about the importance of consistent linemates back in September, before the season began. “It'd be great, I'm not gonna lie,” he said. “Last year with injuries and stuff, playing with pretty much everybody and every combination you can think of, it's tough to get chemistry.” Horvat has had one fairly consistent linemate this season: Tanner Pearson, who sits fifth in Canucks scoring behind Horvat. On the other wing, however, he’s seen a wide variety of players, none of whom have stuck long-term. That’s partly because of injuries. Antoine Roussel missed the first two months of the season recovering from knee surgery, Micheal Ferland suffered a concussion a month into the season, and Josh Leivo fractured his knee cap a few weeks ago. Beyond those injury issues, it’s been hard to find the right fit for Horvat, which has led to some struggles at 5-on-5 this season for the Canucks captain. While he’s still put up points on the power play, Horvat has just four goals at 5-on-5. Two of those goals, however, have come since one particular winger has joined his line. The duo of Horvat and Pearson have been at their best with one particular linemate: the much-maligned Loui Eriksson. The Canucks’ highest-paid forward has never lived up to his hefty contract and has spent much of this season in the press box as a healthy scratch. When he has played, he’s primarily been in a fourth-line role and has been invisible on the scoresheet. In this last stretch of games on the second-line with Horvat, however, Eriksson has looked comfortable and been productive. He has four points in his last six games, a solid hot streak by his standards, and the impact he’s had on Horvat and Pearson is noticeable. On Saturday’s tight-checking game against the New York Rangers, for instance, the Horvat line provided both Canucks goals and Loui Eriksson played a key role. On the first, he set up in front of the net and tipped Horvat’s centring pass back between his legs, creating the rebound; on the second, he set a perfect screen in front of goaltender Alexandar Gieorgiev. Eriksson’s simplified go-to-the-net strategy in the offensive zone seems to be exactly what Horvat needs, but more importantly, Eriksson is solid defensively. With Adam Gaudette centring a more offensive-minded third line, Horvat has had to take on the match-up role against opposing top lines, which has been a tough ask for some of the wingers on his line. Eriksson, however, is up for that particular task. Looking at the underlying numbers of the Horvat line via analytics site Natural Stat Trick, the difference with and without Eriksson is stark. The Canucks control 54.22% of the shot attempts (corsi) with Eriksson, compared to 50.53% without him, but scoring chances are even more tilted: 55.29% with Eriksson; 45.73% without Eriksson. 5-on-5 via NaturalStatTrick.com Corsi-For-% Scoring-Chance-For-% Goals-For-% Horvat and Pearson with Eriksson 54.22 55.29 66.67 Horvat and Pearson without Eriksson 50.53 45.73 42.86 In other words, the Canucks significantly out-chance their opposition with Horvat, Pearson, and Eriksson on the ice at 5-on-5; they get significantly out-chanced when Horvat and Pearson are on the ice with other wingers. Since Eriksson joined Horvat's line, Horvat has nine points in seven games, none of them on the power play. Pearson has nine points too. While Eriksson is unlikely to play up to his high-priced contract, perhaps he can at least help Horvat live up to his. Stick-taps and Glove-drops A tap of the stick to Chris Gear, who the Canucks promoted to Assistant General Manager this week. Gear has been a key player in hockey operations for the Canucks for four years, handling legal issues, contract negotiations, and business operations. A stick-tap to Team Canada, who came through with the gold medal at the 2020 World Junior Championship. They shook off the worst loss in Canadian World Junior history — a 6-0 thumping by Russia in the preliminary round — to defeat Russia 4-3 in a thrilling gold medal game. Big Numbers 14 - The Canucks have one of the best records at home in the NHL, with 14 wins, 5 losses, and 3 overtime losses. That’s good for the fourth-best home record in the league this season. 11 - Canucks prospect Nils Höglander was one of the best players at the 2020 World Junior Championships, finishing third in scoring with 11 points in 6 games. Great to see statistic evidence of what I believed after the short period they played together last season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I think its good for everyone, including the fan base. Pretty much. He's found a spot to be productive in, and a spot that's high profile. I could care less how much he makes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 For me, it was always about how disengaged he looked. How disinterested. Not the salary. He looks engaged and goes to the net and takes the punishment to make a play. Good on him. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: Pretty much. He's found a spot to be productive in, and a spot that's high profile. I could care less how much he makes. thats really it, if he elevates that line so Bo and/or Pearson are ppg players 5 on 5 thats exactly what we need. There are no top 6 trade options that won't burn our future so if this is a real thing we should all be very happy. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Great to see statistic evidence of what I believed after the short period they played together last season. it is. I was hoping for two seasons now that he'd be paired with Bo. I admit, at the start of this season I felt Loui finally had nothing left, but I'm very happy to be wrong. So maybe that interview he gave in the summer wasn't that far off base 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 11:29 AM, Jimmy McGill said: what? can't you give a player credit for a decent stretch of games? I think maybe its someone else who can't get over their opinions and see whats gone on. Expand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 He has certainly looked better of late. Still makes some weak plays and is hardly dynamic, but he is at least out there making some plays now. Still eats up WAY too much cap when we are going to need it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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