oldnews Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Pretty sure our 16th man is pretty high on the to-replace list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: This team is punching in it's weight class. The 65 point team mindset was perpetrated by biased sports bloggers who feigned actual knowledge on the subject which really belied a need to deride this team and fanbase. I think this team could even be in a higher points bracket if Willie would allow himself to get past some stubborn decisions and ideas, mainly the zombified power play. And message boards exist for what other purpose? Given the injuries to top 4 D, Hansen et al, it's a miracle we can even talk about playoffs as even a distant possibility at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Just now, 189lb enforcers? said: They are one Sedin or Horvat injury away from certain doom. Dont distance this roster from that 65 point mark just yet! The 65 point projections made by the majority of the yahoos out there were made with a healthy roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: What is this common sense you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: you are assuming we have talent to insert we do not we have fringe talent at best it's simply rearranging the chairs or furniture so that people see different things without any meaningful improvement so why do it ? let the existing dmen develop let bo and other young offensive talent develop within the existing group the fringe players matter little but why create constant change and turmoil for so little upside just because fans do not like seeing a crappy/average team it will still be a crappy to average team at best THIS! I could sort of understand it if Rodin was both healthy and not 6 months behind but there's no white knights available and people act like calling up Grenier is the difference between what we have now and playoffs. Sorry but that's just delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, J.R. said: Given the injuries to top 4 D, Hansen et al, it's a miracle we can even talk about playoffs as even a distant possibility at this point. The Pacific is a real zinger of a division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, coastal.view said: you are assuming we have talent to insert we do not we have fringe talent at best it's simply rearranging the chairs or furniture so that people see different things without any meaningful improvement so why do it ? let the existing dmen develop let bo and other young offensive talent develop within the existing group the fringe players matter little but why create constant change and turmoil for so little upside just because fans do not like seeing a crappy/average team it will still be a crappy to average team at best I will not disagree with this premise but nevertheless, you never know what kind of chemistry may result with a deck shuffle and an insertion of a offensive player hungry to impress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 In lieu of Hansen the Sedins are the 3rd line. Their time is done. Their contracts are nearing completion after which we will have to transition to a new core. Lets leave the Bae Bo, Granlund Sutter Eriksson, lines intact as those are the the players who will be inheriting the team after the Sedins are gone. I have no problem throwing 4th liners with the Sedins and feeding them to the sharks while Hansen is out. Better them than Bo. We saw how being forced into a 1st line role played out for Bo last year. Lets just keep feeding him match ups he can win until he's eventually winning against other teams top lines in due time. Though I wouldn't mind seeing if Skille can find some jam with the twins. The Eriksson experiment has not gone well as it places far too much pressure on our defence. Granlund has become an absolute stud playing with Sutter Eriksson I'm game to see how that plays out in the future. Heck Granlund is now outscoring his brother. Who would have seen that coming when we traded for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Just now, J.R. said: THIS! I could sort of understand it if Rodin was both healthy and not 6 months behind but there's no white knights available and people act like calling up Grenier is the difference between what we have now and playoffs. Sorry but that's just delusional. Calling up Grenier is a great idea, if anyone was curious to see what Shawn Matthias would play like if he was an underachieving and soft as butter player from Quebec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, riffraff said: I will not disagree with this premise but nevertheless, you never know what kind of chemistry may result with a deck shuffle and an insertion of a offensive player hungry to impress. and equally you never know what the downside of constant unnecessary change is either i like a less disruptive work environment myself allows me to relax more, focus better, perform at a higher level, closer to my optimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Just now, coastal.view said: and equally you never no what the downside of constant unnecessary change is either i like a less disruptive work environment myself allows me to relax more, focus better, perform at a higher level, closer to my optimum You work in a country club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 It would be interesting to see what the players who are presently sitting can bring to the table, if only for one game at a time. Why not slot in Pedan for Biega? Why not slot in Boucher for Megna or Chaput? What exactly is the harm in doing so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Alflives said: You work in a country club? i wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: It would be interesting to see what the players who are presently sitting can bring to the table, if only for one game at a time. Why not slot in Pedan for Biega? Why not slot in Boucher for Megna or Chaput? What exactly is the harm in doing so? Wouldn't want the guys thinking that someone might take their spot if they don't play well, would we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: and equally you never know what the downside of constant unnecessary change is either i like a less disruptive work environment myself allows me to relax more, focus better, perform at a higher level, closer to my optimum Constant, unnecessary change doesn't not equal subbing out a player for another player to see what you have. That would be astute management of players. If Willie was line-juggling every game and sitting someone new every week, that would qualify as constant, unnecessary change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: Wouldn't want the guys thinking that someone might take their spot if they don't play well, would we? Just Virtanen and Baertschi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, coastal.view said: and equally you never know what the downside of constant unnecessary change is either i like a less disruptive work environment myself allows me to relax more, focus better, perform at a higher level, closer to my optimum Firstly: hyperbole Secondly: So there is no problem(s) then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, hammertime said: In lieu of Hansen the Sedins are the 3rd line. Their time is done. Their contracts are nearing completion after which we will have to transition to a new core. Lets leave the Bae Bo, Granlund Sutter Eriksson, lines intact as those are the the players who will be inheriting the team after the Sedins are gone. I have no problem throwing 4th liners with the Sedins and feeding them to the sharks while Hansen is out. Better them than Bo. We saw how being forced into a 1st line role played out for Bo last year. Lets just keep feeding him match ups he can win until he's eventually winning against other teams top lines in due time. Though I wouldn't mind seeing if Skille can find some jam with the twins. The Eriksson experiment has not gone well as it places far too much pressure on our defence. Granlund has become an absolute stud playing with Sutter Eriksson I'm game to see how that plays out in the future. Heck Granlund is now outscoring his brother who would have seen that coming when we traded for him? Last night Baer-Horvat played vs the 1st line of Hall-Henrique and saw more time vs the 1st D pairing than any other line including the Sedins. WD is not trying to shelter them. Markus has one more goal than his brother in 3 more games but Mikael has never been a goal scorer - he's the playmaker on the line and is up to 35pts in 42 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 there are many ways in a work place environment to achieve best results from workers (or players) threat of losing one's position due to a better replacement coming up is only one consideration some people need time with a degree of security so they can develop without fear of being moved on if there is ever a mistake or slip up there are many other motivational methods i just do not think replacing fringe players with other fringe players has much upside and certainly focusing on dumping on a fringe player, or scape goating the coach, etc. adds little value to a group that is an odd combination of slightly to old veterans, slightly too young talent, and a bunch of fillers that is not a high quality mix and it will take some time and patience to get it sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, coastal.view said: there are many ways in a work place environment to achieve best results from workers (or players) threat of losing one's position due to a better replacement coming up is only one consideration some people need time with a degree of security so they can develop without fear of being moved on if there is ever a mistake or slip up there are many other motivational methods i just do not think replacing fringe players with other fringe players has much upside and certainly focusing on dumping on a fringe player, or scape goating the coach, etc. adds little value to a group that is an odd combination of slightly to old veterans, slightly too young talent, and a bunch of fillers that is not a high quality mix and it will take some time and patience to get it sorted Makes some sense for everyday companies. this is a pro sports franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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