canuckistani Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 7 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Dalhen!!!! We need to have a player like him. Our defence and goaltending would be set for the next decade. Besides, EP looks really nice and shinny right now. He is skinny atm, but so was 99. Gifted IQ, hands and speed. I would be very comfortable seeing him, Bo Gaunce and Gaudette as our future centres if we had a top puckmoving d man like Dahlen. Added to that, Brock is proving that he can snipe at the NHL. Hockey is a layered game strategy wise. For every player that teams have to focus on, it allows a player of lesser ability to gain better match ups and opportunities. Having a force multiplier like a OJ, Dahlen pairing would be that IMO. Besides, we need to keep the 'passing to oneself from commentary feed' tradition alive. So replace " Sedin...to Sedin....to Sedin....he SCORES!' with 'Dahlin...to Dahlen...to Dahlin...to Dahlen...HE SCORES!!' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I found this video of Pettersson highlights from 2015 that I don't think has already been posted. I think he would be around 16 in this video. You can really see how easily the game comes to him especially when compared against lower level competition. There are multiple times in the video where he just skates through teams and their coverage, imposing his offensive will on the other team. He doesn't do it insanely fast, but just really smoothly. The one major thing that stood out to me in this video though was how much physically different he looked. For me, the most noticeably difference was he looked a lot more balanced and coordinated on his skates. He probably was still a physical weakling compared to his peers, but it didn't show nearly as much. That means he probably had a decent growth spurt around his draft year, which made him look a lot less coordinated on his feet. Hopefully that improves more as he develops and lets him look a lot smoother while he's skating in the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bigturk8 Posted October 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2017 Elias Pettersson outperforming reasonable expectations to start SHL season Daniel Wagner / Vancouver Courier OCTOBER 18, 2017 04:27 PM Pass it to Bulis All due respect to Olli Juolevi and Thatcher Demko, but Elias Pettersson is the Canucks’ most important prospect. He represents their only shot at a first-line centre currently in the system. The only other notable centre in the prospect pool is Adam Gaudette; after him, their centre depth gets shallower than a kiddie pool in a drought. There’s Brett McKenzie, Dmitriy Zhukenov, Zack MacEwen, Griffen Molino, and, if you’re feeling charitable, Cole Cassels. Other than Gaudette, none of those centres have potential top-six upside and a top-six projection is even a little optimistic for Gaudette. Fortunately, Pettersson looks to be developing exactly as the Canucks had hoped he would in the Swedish Hockey League this season.It’s early yet, but Pettersson is off to a great start, putting up 7 points, all assists, in 8 games. That leads all under-20 players in scoring in the SHL and is tied for second in scoring on the Lakers. On top of that, he’s tied for the team-lead in scoring in the Champion’s Hockey League with 2 goals and 5 points in 5 games.That gives him a total of 12 points in 13 games with the Lakers, though the competition is a little less steep in the Champion’s League. There is an issue of sample size, of course. If we had looked in on Pettersson a few games ago, he would have had 3 points in 6 games, which looks a little less impressive than 7 in 8. A few games before that and we would see 3 points in 3 games — a point-per-game pace! So it’s important to temper expectations a little bit. With that in mind, let’s try to define what reasonable expectations should be for Pettersson. What would constitute a good season? Looking at the players that have led the SHL in scoring the past several years brings up Carl Grundstrom, Oskar Lindblom, Jakub Vrana, and Andreas Johnsson. None of those players scored more than 25 points across 44+ games. Of those four players, Vrana is the most interesting comparable for Pettersson. The Capitals selected Vrana 13th overall in 2014 and he put up 12 goals and 24 points in 44 SHL games in the year after he was drafted. He then spent parts of two seasons in the AHL and is now skating on the Capitals’ first line alongside Alex Ovechkin and Evgeny Kuznetzov at the age of 21, with 5 points in 7 games. That would be a decent path to the NHL for Pettersson to follow — NHL debut at 20, first line at 21 — but Pettersson is on-pace to obliterate Vrana’s draft+1 numbers. Let’s expand beyond that small group of players to see how Pettersson’s season is shaping up compared to past under-20 players in the SHL. Player Season GP G A Pts Pts/GP William Nylander 2014-15 21 8 12 20 0.95 Elias Pettersson 2017-18 8 0 7 7 0.88 Johan Larsson 2011-12 49 12 24 36 0.73 Kevin Fiala 2014-15 20 5 9 14 0.70 Gustav Possler 2013-14 22 8 7 15 0.68 Elias Lindholm 2012-13 48 11 19 30 0.63 Joel Eriksson Ek 2016-17 26 8 8 16 0.62 William Karlsson 2012-13 50 4 24 28 0.56 Jakub Vrana 2014-15 44 12 12 24 0.55 Andreas Johnsson 2013-14 44 15 9 24 0.55 Oskar Lindblom 2015-16 48 8 17 25 0.52 Mika Zibanejad 2011-12 26 5 8 13 0.50 Rasmus Asplund 2016-17 39 6 13 19 0.49 Axel Holmstrom 2015-16 48 8 15 23 0.48 Victor Olofsson 2014-15 39 10 8 18 0.46 Nicklas Jensen 2012-13 50 17 6 23 0.46 Axel Holmstrom 2014-15 44 10 10 20 0.45 Lias Andersson 2016-17 42 9 10 19 0.45 Carl Grundstrom 2016-17 45 14 6 20 0.44 Gustav Forsling 2015-16 48 6 15 21 0.44 Alexander Wennberg 2013-14 50 16 5 21 0.42 Peter Cehlarik 2014-15 46 6 13 19 0.41 Keep in mind, these are the best under-20 seasons in the SHL over the last six years. If Pettersson can keep up this pace — and it’s a pretty big if — then his closest comparable will be William Nylander. Nylander split his post-draft 2014-15 season between the SHL and AHL, tallying impressive numbers in both. He had 20 points in 21 SHL games and 32 points in 37 AHL games to go with 10 points in 7 games for Team Sweden at the World Juniors. He made his NHL debut the following season at 19, with 13 points in 22 games, then made the NHL full-time last season, putting up 22 goals and 61 points in 81 games on the Leafs’ first line with Auston Matthews and Zach Hyman. There are a couple things to consider here: one is that Nylander was heavily leaned on by MODO in his 21 games, averaging over 19 minutes per game. Pettersson, on the other hand, is averaging just over 14 minutes per game. We’ll see if that increases as the season progresses. The other is that Nylander took a lot more shots than Pettersson. Nylander averaged 1.95 shots per game in 2014-15, while Pettersson is averaging just 1.5 shots per game. He has yet to score a goal in regular season action in the SHL; directing a few more shots towards the net would help. Comparing Pettersson to Nylander is a little unfair: Nylander legitimately had one of the greatest draft+1 seasons in SHL history. For a little more reason and some fancier stats, I turn to Jeremy Davis of Canucks Army. Davis estimates that a reasonable expectation for Pettersson this season would be 0.52 points per game. That puts him in the same range as Vrana, Lindblom, and Mika Zibanejad from past SHL seasons and would project to around 25 points. So far, Pettersson is outdoing those reasonable expectations. So, how about some completely unreasonable expectations? Daniel and Henrik Sedin both played for MODO in the Swedish Elite League in the year after they were drafted. Daniel put up 45 points in 50 games, while Henrik put up 47 points in 50 games. It’s optimistic, but not out of the question to think that Pettersson might match those numbers this season. Considering how much the Canucks need Pettersson to become not just a good NHLer, but a franchise forward, that’s exactly what the Canucks are hoping to see.http://www.vancourier.com/pass-it-to-bulis/elias-pettersson-outperforming-reasonable-expectations-to-start-shl-season-1.23068517?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Thanks for posting, @Bigturk8. So excited for EP. His IQ is elite, and he's only going to get better. Him and Boeser will be a difficult duo to stop because BB also has great hands and passing to go with his shot. Me likey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 At the end of his career we will be saying he was paid to shone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 10 hours ago, Bigturk8 said: Elias Pettersson outperforming reasonable expectations to start SHL season Daniel Wagner / Vancouver Courier OCTOBER 18, 2017 04:27 PM Pass it to Bulis All due respect to Olli Juolevi and Thatcher Demko, but Elias Pettersson is the Canucks’ most important prospect. He represents their only shot at a first-line centre currently in the system. The only other notable centre in the prospect pool is Adam Gaudette; after him, their centre depth gets shallower than a kiddie pool in a drought. There’s Brett McKenzie, Dmitriy Zhukenov, Zack MacEwen, Griffen Molino, and, if you’re feeling charitable, Cole Cassels. Other than Gaudette, none of those centres have potential top-six upside and a top-six projection is even a little optimistic for Gaudette. Fortunately, Pettersson looks to be developing exactly as the Canucks had hoped he would in the Swedish Hockey League this season.It’s early yet, but Pettersson is off to a great start, putting up 7 points, all assists, in 8 games. That leads all under-20 players in scoring in the SHL and is tied for second in scoring on the Lakers. On top of that, he’s tied for the team-lead in scoring in the Champion’s Hockey League with 2 goals and 5 points in 5 games.That gives him a total of 12 points in 13 games with the Lakers, though the competition is a little less steep in the Champion’s League. There is an issue of sample size, of course. If we had looked in on Pettersson a few games ago, he would have had 3 points in 6 games, which looks a little less impressive than 7 in 8. A few games before that and we would see 3 points in 3 games — a point-per-game pace! So it’s important to temper expectations a little bit. With that in mind, let’s try to define what reasonable expectations should be for Pettersson. What would constitute a good season? Looking at the players that have led the SHL in scoring the past several years brings up Carl Grundstrom, Oskar Lindblom, Jakub Vrana, and Andreas Johnsson. None of those players scored more than 25 points across 44+ games. Of those four players, Vrana is the most interesting comparable for Pettersson. The Capitals selected Vrana 13th overall in 2014 and he put up 12 goals and 24 points in 44 SHL games in the year after he was drafted. He then spent parts of two seasons in the AHL and is now skating on the Capitals’ first line alongside Alex Ovechkin and Evgeny Kuznetzov at the age of 21, with 5 points in 7 games. That would be a decent path to the NHL for Pettersson to follow — NHL debut at 20, first line at 21 — but Pettersson is on-pace to obliterate Vrana’s draft+1 numbers. Let’s expand beyond that small group of players to see how Pettersson’s season is shaping up compared to past under-20 players in the SHL. Player Season GP G A Pts Pts/GP William Nylander 2014-15 21 8 12 20 0.95 Elias Pettersson 2017-18 8 0 7 7 0.88 Johan Larsson 2011-12 49 12 24 36 0.73 Kevin Fiala 2014-15 20 5 9 14 0.70 Gustav Possler 2013-14 22 8 7 15 0.68 Elias Lindholm 2012-13 48 11 19 30 0.63 Joel Eriksson Ek 2016-17 26 8 8 16 0.62 William Karlsson 2012-13 50 4 24 28 0.56 Jakub Vrana 2014-15 44 12 12 24 0.55 Andreas Johnsson 2013-14 44 15 9 24 0.55 Oskar Lindblom 2015-16 48 8 17 25 0.52 Mika Zibanejad 2011-12 26 5 8 13 0.50 Rasmus Asplund 2016-17 39 6 13 19 0.49 Axel Holmstrom 2015-16 48 8 15 23 0.48 Victor Olofsson 2014-15 39 10 8 18 0.46 Nicklas Jensen 2012-13 50 17 6 23 0.46 Axel Holmstrom 2014-15 44 10 10 20 0.45 Lias Andersson 2016-17 42 9 10 19 0.45 Carl Grundstrom 2016-17 45 14 6 20 0.44 Gustav Forsling 2015-16 48 6 15 21 0.44 Alexander Wennberg 2013-14 50 16 5 21 0.42 Peter Cehlarik 2014-15 46 6 13 19 0.41 Keep in mind, these are the best under-20 seasons in the SHL over the last six years. If Pettersson can keep up this pace — and it’s a pretty big if — then his closest comparable will be William Nylander. Nylander split his post-draft 2014-15 season between the SHL and AHL, tallying impressive numbers in both. He had 20 points in 21 SHL games and 32 points in 37 AHL games to go with 10 points in 7 games for Team Sweden at the World Juniors. He made his NHL debut the following season at 19, with 13 points in 22 games, then made the NHL full-time last season, putting up 22 goals and 61 points in 81 games on the Leafs’ first line with Auston Matthews and Zach Hyman. There are a couple things to consider here: one is that Nylander was heavily leaned on by MODO in his 21 games, averaging over 19 minutes per game. Pettersson, on the other hand, is averaging just over 14 minutes per game. We’ll see if that increases as the season progresses. The other is that Nylander took a lot more shots than Pettersson. Nylander averaged 1.95 shots per game in 2014-15, while Pettersson is averaging just 1.5 shots per game. He has yet to score a goal in regular season action in the SHL; directing a few more shots towards the net would help. Comparing Pettersson to Nylander is a little unfair: Nylander legitimately had one of the greatest draft+1 seasons in SHL history. For a little more reason and some fancier stats, I turn to Jeremy Davis of Canucks Army. Davis estimates that a reasonable expectation for Pettersson this season would be 0.52 points per game. That puts him in the same range as Vrana, Lindblom, and Mika Zibanejad from past SHL seasons and would project to around 25 points. So far, Pettersson is outdoing those reasonable expectations. So, how about some completely unreasonable expectations? Daniel and Henrik Sedin both played for MODO in the Swedish Elite League in the year after they were drafted. Daniel put up 45 points in 50 games, while Henrik put up 47 points in 50 games. It’s optimistic, but not out of the question to think that Pettersson might match those numbers this season. Considering how much the Canucks need Pettersson to become not just a good NHLer, but a franchise forward, that’s exactly what the Canucks are hoping to see.http://www.vancourier.com/pass-it-to-bulis/elias-pettersson-outperforming-reasonable-expectations-to-start-shl-season-1.23068517?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter You forgot Gaunce in our list of centres. He may yet be better than predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 33 minutes ago, alfstonker said: You forgot Gaunce in our list of centres. He may yet be better than predicted. Gaunce may stay a left winger as well...I would like to see him tried at centre again though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I feel like I'm the only one that sees petterson as a left winger. He hasn't played a stitch of center since we've drafted him has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: I feel like I'm the only one that sees petterson as a left winger. He hasn't played a stitch of center since we've drafted him has he? I dunno. I mean, maybe if you're talking about a "pure" left winger, you'd be out on your own island with that opinion. But I think most of us see him as a hybrid C/W and understand there's a decent possibility that he might not end up playing C. I do believe the Canucks will do everything in their power to make it work though. Our current organizational need down the middle is significant, especially at the higher end of the prospect pool. EDIT: I'd also add that deploying young centres on the wing is standard operating procedure in the SHL. Many future centres spend significant development time on the wing. Edited October 19, 2017 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) 47 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: I feel like I'm the only one that sees petterson as a left winger. He hasn't played a stitch of center since we've drafted him has he? Could be either/both. I see a few scenarios that could play out: -He becomes our 1C and it's likely - LW (Kane, Goldobin, Dahlen?), Petterson, Boeser -He becomes our 1LW with Horvat at 1C and Gaudette makes it as our 2C - Petterson, Horvat, Boeser -We draft another guy in the next 1-2 years that becomes our 1C - Petterson, Mystery Man, Boeser ...or worst case, he doesn't work out at all Edited October 19, 2017 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Could be either/both. I see a few scenarios that could play out: -He becomes our 1C and it's likely - LW (Kane?), Petterson, Boeser -He becomes our 1LW with Horvat at 1C and Gaudette makes it as our 2C - Petterson, Horvat, Boeser -We draft another guy in the next 1-2 years that becomes our 1C - Petterson, Mystery Man, Boeser ...or worst case, he doesn't work out at all Drool... would love to have him play with a big guy like this, so he may take slightly less abuse than Sedins have had to over their careers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 hour ago, 73 Percent said: I feel like I'm the only one that sees petterson as a left winger. He hasn't played a stitch of center since we've drafted him has he? Well, we kinda need him to be a center. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, spook007 said: Drool... would love to have him play with a big guy like this, so he may take slightly less abuse than Sedins have had to over their careers... He can feed passes to Kane and Boes and Boes can dish to and from with Petterson. Kane would bring speed/size/grit...it'd probably be a good line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 5:35 PM, Alflives said: I think he’s more offensively gifted than both those guys. Backstrom had a 101 point season and is a career PPG player. If we have Backstrom 2.0 we are in business. Lias Andersson imo is the next Zetterberg. I love that guys game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Well, we kinda need him to be a center. Just sayin'. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted October 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) Pettersson just scored his first SHL goal! Edited October 19, 2017 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted October 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Pettersson just scored his first SHL goal! Well that sucks Now what are people going to complain about?! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV's Coin Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: Well that sucks Now what are people going to complain about?! Does he dress like a Euro? Edited October 19, 2017 by AV's Coin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyHatnDart Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: Well that sucks Now what are people going to complain about?! Brock Boeser not playing the first two games? Our PP? The daily whipping boy? Goalie controversy? Jake Virtanen? Not tanking? Stealth tanking? I literally could go on lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, aGENT said: Well that sucks Now what are people going to complain about?! His facial expressions obviously. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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