PunjabiCanucks Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 So I'm making this post for fun. Canucks in general have had poor drafting since the very beginning and have had the odd gem in the first round let alone in rounds that follow. I chose to include drafts from 2000 and onwards in this thread to be recent, but also because in 1999 we found 2 franchise players in the first round (Sedins). This will go up to the year Bo Horvat was drafted as picks in the past few years are still to break in. For each year I have included who we took, what we could have had (I only choose to include players who were taken up to 15 positions after a player we took to try to keep players approx in the same draft area), and some others noticeable players we could have had that were not near any of the selection areas we had. This is taken from hockeydb.com and I'll be honest I may have missed some players we could have had while doing this. Thank You all and hope you enjoy. If you guys appreciate this let me know and I will continue for 2003 and on wards in the future. 2000 NHL Draft: Who we took 2000 Entry 23 1 Nathan Smith C Swift Current Broncos [WHL] 26 0 0 0 14 2000 Entry 71 3 Thatcher Bell C Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 2000 Entry 93 3 Tim Branham D Barrie Colts [OHL] 2000 Entry 144 5 Pavel Duma F Nizhnekamsk Neftekhimik [Russia] 2000 Entry 208 7 Brandon Reid C Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 13 2 4 6 0 2000 Entry 241 8 Nathan Barrett C Lethbridge Hurricanes [WHL] 2000 Entry 272 9 Tim Smith C Spokane Chiefs [WHL] What we could have had : 28 Philadelphia Justin Williams R Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 1093 275 418 693 666 2017-18 76 New Jersey Mike Rupp L Erie Otters [OHL] 609 54 45 99 855 2013-14 95 NY Rangers Dominic Moore C Harvard University [ECAC] 856 103 170 273 473 2017-18 155 Calgary Travis Moen L Kelowna Rockets [WHL] 747 59 77 136 801 2015-16 215 Edmonton Matthew Lombardi C Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 536 101 161 262 293 2012-13 Noteable : 205 NY Rangers Henrik Lundqvist G Vastra Frolunda Juniors (Sweden) 755 0 23 23 16 2017-18 1 29 Detroit Niklas Kronwall D Djurgardens IF Stockholm [SEL] 808 76 304 380 496 2017-18 5 159 Colorado John-Michael Liles D Michigan State University [CCHA] 836 87 283 370 286 2016-17 118 Los Angeles Lubomir Visnovsky D Bratislava Slovan [Slovak] 883 128 367 495 373 2014-15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2001 NHL Draft Who we took Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2001 Entry 16 1 R.J. Umberger L Ohio State University [CCHA] 779 180 212 392 312 2001 Entry 66 3 Fedor Fedorov C Sudbury Wolves [OHL] 18 0 2 2 14 2001 Entry 114 4 Evgeny Gladskikh R Magnitogorsk Metallurg [Russia] 2001 Entry 151 5 Kevin Bieksa D Bowling Green State University [CCHA] 759 63 209 272 1074 2001 Entry 212 7 Jason King R Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 59 12 11 23 8 2001 Entry 245 8 Konstantin Mikhailov F Nizhnekamsk Neftekhimik [Russia] Who we could have had: 2 32 Buffalo Derek Roy C Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 738 189 335 524 391 2014-15 3 71 Montreal Tomas Plekanec C Kladno [Czech] 937 229 358 587 508 2017-18 127 Ottawa Christoph Schubert D Munich Barons [DEL] 315 25 47 72 263 2009-10 Bieksa wins at his position IMO. Moss and Oduya are both good in their respective ways. 7 220 Calgary David Moss R Cedar Rapids RoughRiders [USHL] 501 78 100 178 157 2014-15 7 221 Washington Johnny Oduya D Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 809 38 145 183 348 2017-18 9 264 Anaheim P.A. Parenteau R Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL] 491 114 182 296 342 2016-17 Noteables: 2 55 Buffalo Jason Pominville R Shawinigan Cataractes [QMJHL] 920 267 408 675 189 2017-18 2 49 Los Angeles Mike Cammalleri L U. of Michigan [CCHA] 853 290 330 620 411 2017-18 3 95 Philadelphia Patrick Sharp L U. of Vermont [ECAC] 884 279 324 603 524 2017-18 3 71 Montreal Tomas Plekanec C Kladno [Czech] 937 229 358 587 508 2017-18 6 192 Dallas Jussi Jokinen L Karpat Jrs. (Finland) 903 186 361 547 367 2017-18 4 106 San Jose Christian Ehrhoff D Krefeld Penguins [DEL] 789 74 265 339 517 2015-16 6 193 Ottawa Brooks Laich C Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL] 773 134 197 331 307 2017-18 1 12 Nashville Dan Hamhuis D Prince George Cougars [WHL] 964 57 267 324 590 2017-18 6 175 San Jose Ryane Clowe L Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 491 112 197 309 618 2014-15 9 264 Anaheim P.A. Parenteau R Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL] 491 114 182 296 342 2016-17 6 176 NY Rangers Marek Zidlicky D HIFK Helsinki [SM-liiga] 836 89 328 417 680 2015-16 73 Chicago Craig Anderson G Guelph Storm [OHL] 517 0 15 15 54 2017-18 5 161 Dallas Mike Smith G Sudbury Wolves [OHL] 488 1 10 11 111 2017-18 2 63 Colorado Peter Budaj G Toronto St. Michael's Majors [OHL] 359 0 11 11 20 2017-18 ------------------------- 2002 NHL DRAFT - Who we took 2002 Entry 49 2 Kirill Koltsov D Omsk Avangard [Russia] 2002 Entry 55 2 Denis Grot D Elemash Elektrostal (Russia) 2002 Entry 68 3 Brett Skinner D Des Moines Buccaneers [USHL] 11 0 0 0 4 2002 Entry 83 3 Lukas Mensator G Karlovy Vary Jrs. (Czech) 2002 Entry 114 4 John Laliberte F New Hampshire Jr. Monarchs 2002 Entry 151 5 Rob McVicar G Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 1 0 0 0 0 2002 Entry 214 7 Marc-Andre Roy L Baie-Comeau Drakkar [QMJHL] 2002 Entry 223 7 Ilya Krikunov F Elemash Elektrostal (Russia) 2002 Entry 247 8 Matt Violin G Lake Superior State University [CCHA] 2002 Entry 277 9 Thomas Nussli Zug EV [Swiss-A] 2002 Entry 278 9 Matt Gens R St. Cloud State [WCHA] What we could have had: 2 54 Chicago Duncan Keith D Michigan State University [CCHA] 928 90 429 519 515 2017-18 2 57 Toronto Matthew Stajan C Belleville Bulls [OHL] 947 142 259 401 504 2017-18 2 58 Detroit Jiri Hudler R Vsetin HC [Czech] 708 164 264 428 243 2016-17 2 61 Colorado Johnny Boychuk D Calgary Hitmen [WHL] 544 44 119 163 273 2017-18 2 63 Detroit Tomas Fleischmann L Vitkovice Jr. (Czech) 657 137 198 335 200 2015-16 3 67 Florida Greg Campbell C Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 803 71 116 187 696 2015-16 3 87 NY Islanders Frans Nielsen C Malmo IF [SEL] 701 141 255 396 138 2017-18 3 90 Calgary Matthew Lombardi C Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 536 101 161 262 293 2012-13 3 95 Detroit Valtteri Filppula C Jokerit Jrs (Finland) 810 163 276 439 278 2017-18 129 Colorado Tom Gilbert D Chicago Steel [USHL] 655 45 178 223 198 2016-17 156 Chicago James Wisniewski D Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 552 53 221 274 459 2015-16 8 241 Buffalo Dennis Wideman D London Knights [OHL] 815 99 288 387 503 2016-17 Noticeables: Already included above --------------------- If you guys appreciate this let me know and I will continue for 2003 and on wards in the future. 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King Heffy Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 It's somewhat interesting, but the "what we could've had" comes across as too wistful for my liking. If you want to make a good team out of a draft, don't label as "what we could've had", it sounds way too negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 You don't necessarily need to recreate this type of thing. It's been done (albeit back in 2014): https://canucksarmy.com/2014/05/20/we-think-the-vancouver-canucks-may-have-a-scouting-problem/ It's basically a summary of what would have happened had we fired all our scouting staff and just drafted the next highest scoring CHL forward with each pick: You can give the whole article a read, but 4000 more games, almost a thousand more goals and over 1500 more assists from the players we could have drafted is pretty impressive/damning. Of course, those players' development might have been different and any other variables could have played a part, but you'd have to think we'd have been better off, even if we had to trade a few of those players (all forwards) for a few defencemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Our drafting was horrid under Burke and nonis But benning is trying to make up for lost time asap by taking on reclamation projects and such But every team has bad picks and lucky picks as well so it’s a mute point at the end of the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 It's interesting to look at on the surface, but it doesn't take into account other factors such as trades. RJ Umberger looks like a solid pick for us, until you realize he never played a game for us. It then goes on to say we "could have" had Derek Roy. Well Roy actually played more games for us than Umberger did, so it is kind of a flawed concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I think it's incomplete to point fingers at drafting without considering developing......especially with picks outside of the top 10 draft positions. Nobody reaches their potential without great mentors and coaches, sports medicine, teammates......and opportunities. This is not unlike other professions. Crazy to think of how many great careers have been lost over the years just because of a poor matching process at the draft (i.e. players flourish differently in different environments and the draft takes that power away from the players to some degree). Given the horrendous "draft record" the Canucks have had, it's also likely that their development record has been poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Before there was Thatchy D there was a Thatchy B, interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Honestly, what's the point? There was a better player available *most* of the times that a GM drafts a guy, and sometimes that better player is significantly better. But there is a lot that goes into assessing talent and usually GMs get it wrong to some degree. You can cherry pick all the better players after the fact, but I just don't see the point. It's no secret our drafting has generally not been very good over the years, but even if it was better your stats wouldn't likely change that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 9 hours ago, billabong said: Our drafting was horrid under Burke and nonis But benning is trying to make up for lost time asap by taking on reclamation projects and such But every team has bad picks and lucky picks as well so it’s a mute point at the end of the day plus all teams are picking kids. Except for a very few, you just don't know how they are going to mature. Take Jake e.g., you can see now what we were hoping to see in Year 1 of his ELC, but he needed 2 years to grow up. Its very hard to predict when a guy is going to be mature enough to handle the NHL, sometimes it never happens for excellent junior players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davathor Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 This has been beaten to death, drafting isn't an exact science, people mature at different rates and some players just bust... and the Canucks aren't the only team who missed 'notable' players and drafted duds instead. Let it die please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DADDYROCK Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 LETS FACE THE FACTS, CANUCKS DRAFTING HAS BEEN QUITE UNDERWELMING,IN FACT IT SUCKED,UP UNTIL MR BENNING STARTED US ON THE ROAD TO GREATNESS ( WE HOPE). I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DRAFT POORLY AND NOT JUST FIRE SOME OF THOSE SCOUTS .I KNOW IT'S A CRAP SHOOT TO FIND GOOD PLAYERS BUT SERIOUSLY,WHAT WOULD REALLY HELP IS IF WE WERE TO GET OUR FIRST EVER FIRST OVERALL PICK! THAT'S RIGHT IN 47 GOING ON 48 YEARS OUR TEAM HAS NEVER HAD ONE. ANY WONDER WE HAVE NO STANLEY CUPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 16 minutes ago, DADDYROCK said: LETS FACE THE FACTS, CANUCKS DRAFTING HAS BEEN QUITE UNDERWELMING,IN FACT IT SUCKED,UP UNTIL MR BENNING STARTED US ON THE ROAD TO GREATNESS ( WE HOPE). I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DRAFT POORLY AND NOT JUST FIRE SOME OF THOSE SCOUTS .I KNOW IT'S A CRAP SHOOT TO FIND GOOD PLAYERS BUT SERIOUSLY,WHAT WOULD REALLY HELP IS IF WE WERE TO GET OUR FIRST EVER FIRST OVERALL PICK! THAT'S RIGHT IN 47 GOING ON 48 YEARS OUR TEAM HAS NEVER HAD ONE. ANY WONDER WE HAVE NO STANLEY CUPS. I'm guessing your caps lock key is stuck or broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 As inconsistent as Burke's drafting was, he DID draft two likely HHOFers/Art Ross trophy winners and a Selke winner. I wouldn't call it THAT bad. And the team was bleeding money then - we didn't have an owner willing and able to spend $$$$. That puts additional pressures on a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singing chef Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Sad fact: in the 2002 entry draft the Canucks selected 11 players. One of these selections played 11 NHL games with zero points and one played 1 game (3 mintes ice time). None of the rest ever played a game in the NHL. That speaks volumes to the quality of drafting (scouting ?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectic Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 that '02 draft tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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