SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 The whole “loophole” thing is kinda funny to me. First off, there’s really no loophole. Draft rights expire. So the CBA has a process for what happens when teams fail to sign their draft picks. Every player has the right to not sign an ELC, regardless of what league they play in. Of course, college players and some Europeans have more of a decision to make, as to whether or not it is in their best interest to sign with their draft team. Junior players, for the most part, don’t have any better options. But nearly every drafted player who is offered a contract will sign and turn pro. You can probably count on one hand (maybe two) the number of times a player has legitimately “held out” and refused to sign with their draft team. Many other instances, the player was dicked around by their draft team, and the relationship soured. That’s on the team as much as anything. But as far as players who truly refuse to even consider signing with the team that drafted them, the examples are few and far between. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizzuto&hatoum Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 McNally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, rizzuto&hatoum said: McNally. Worst example ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 35 minutes ago, rizzuto&hatoum said: McNally. That guy’s killing it in second tier German pro, scoring nearly a point per game last season for the “Ice Pirates” of Crimmitschau. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 On 5/25/2019 at 2:30 PM, Dixon Ward said: It gets so boring reading posts from people who just want to be negative and have absolutely no basis for it. I would think that, coming from an NHL family, he will probably know he needs to get stronger physically and will stay in school 1 or 2 years and work on that. But the way he played at the World Juniors and in college this year, he showed he is a quality talent and he will not wait 3 more years to start getting paid. Anything could happen. You could blow out your knee. You have a lottery ticket, you don't want to wait too long to cash it. Exactly. We haven't lost a college prospect since Burke. I think Madden would like to play with Demko, Hughes, Stecher Boeser and Gaudette. We have no issue signing college players. Just ask Tanev, Hutton, Teves and Brogan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthycanuck Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 14 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: The "loophole" was what allowed him to jump ship when Burkie got too obnoxious in his contract negotiations. Uhm nope, he was TRADED first to the Rangers, and then he used the loophole to go to the Flyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 5 hours ago, filthycanuck said: Uhm nope, he was TRADED first to the Rangers, and then he used the loophole to go to the Flyers And what was the leverage he used to force a trade when Burkie's negotiating became too obnoxious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 3 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: And what was the leverage he used to force a trade when Burkie's negotiating became too obnoxious? Im sure he can answer that because he was in on that meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, cyoung said: Im sure he can answer that because he was in on that meeting. It was a rhetorical question. The answer is obviously the threat of completing his degree, becoming a UFA and signing with the team of his choice, leaving the Canucks with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Any updates on Tyler Madden at camp? I hope he has a big summer of training and gains some muscle. Another year in NorthWestern and he should be ready to challenge for a Canucks spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenAlien Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 A good article on Madden: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canucks-tyler-madden-following-dads-footsteps-proving-doubters-wrong/ Quote “I had a great season and progressed a lot,” Tyler says during a break at this week’s Canucks Development Camp at the University of B.C. “I got a little bit stronger, faster, gained some weight. I kind of developed as a player and showed people what kind of player I want to be: a two-way player with some skill and the mindset to make plays. “My whole life, people think things were handed to me. Then I was smaller than anybody else, and people thought I was too small or whatever. You’ve just got to take that (as motivation) and run with it. Just show people you’re there for a reason, you can produce and you’re better than other people.” Quote John Madden says he weighed 150 pounds when entered the University of Michigan in 1993, and graduated four years later at 190 pounds. “He was also always the smallest kid growing up,” John says. “Always the smallest. He had to work extra hard on everything. Nothing was handed to him. He’d hear about it from other kids (about his dad), but now that he’s 19, he understands it. “He doesn’t like to be told he’s not good enough or can’t achieve something. And when he reads it or hears it or someone says something to him, look out, it’s on. He has that in him all the time, no matter what it is. That’s something you can’t teach — it’s just the way he is. He really believes in himself. And he has worked really hard. Nothing has come easy to him Interesting to know that John Madden was also 150 lbs at Tyler's age. Per the article Tyler is up to 157 lbs. John had no problem playing hard nosed hockey at his size, in an era where Scott Stevens' hits were legal. Once Tyler matures to his dad's size, with better vision and skating, he could be a great middle six, versatile, do-it-all type of forward. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 12 hours ago, GoldenAlien said: A good article on Madden: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canucks-tyler-madden-following-dads-footsteps-proving-doubters-wrong/ Interesting to know that John Madden was also 150 lbs at Tyler's age. Per the article Tyler is up to 157 lbs. John had no problem playing hard nosed hockey at his size, in an era where Scott Stevens' hits were legal. Once Tyler matures to his dad's size, with better vision and skating, he could be a great middle six, versatile, do-it-all type of forward. I think he gets into the 180 - 185 range, he's probably a solid 3rd line guy for us in future. Has some good upside offensively, but will disrupt the opposition attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 19 hours ago, GoldenAlien said: A good article on Madden: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canucks-tyler-madden-following-dads-footsteps-proving-doubters-wrong/ Interesting to know that John Madden was also 150 lbs at Tyler's age. Per the article Tyler is up to 157 lbs. John had no problem playing hard nosed hockey at his size, in an era where Scott Stevens' hits were legal. Once Tyler matures to his dad's size, with better vision and skating, he could be a great middle six, versatile, do-it-all type of forward. 157 is a small body people..... ......good thing 156 of it is heart..... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Is it just my screen - why is the orca on Madden's shirt blacked out in interview shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Fanuck said: Is it just my screen - why is the orca on Madden's shirt blacked out in interview shots? Fold in the shirt creating a shadow.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) Are Madden and Rathbone WJC eligible this year ? Neither at summer showcase Edited August 4, 2019 by Canucks Curse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) Possible WJCers podkolzin hoglander woo ?madden focht Utunen ?Rathbone ?the Latvian goalie dude we drafted Edited August 4, 2019 by Canucks Curse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: Are Madden and Rathbone WJC eligible this year ? Neither at summer showcase Both are 1999 born so ineligible by age for the 2020 tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dazzle Posted August 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 5, 2019 Another article on Madden, this time by NHL.com Kevin Woodley, I find, often writes about the Canucks. https://www.nhl.com/news/tyler-madden-surprises-canucks-with-offense/c-308432438 VANCOUVER -- Tyler Madden aims to continue to step out of his father's shadow this season and change projections about what type of player the Vancouver Canucks center prospect could be in the NHL. Perhaps because his dad, John Madden, won the Selke Trophy voted as the best defensive forward in the NHL in 2001 and finished second in the voting three times, Tyler Madden was viewed primarily as a strong defensive player when the Vancouver Canucks selected him in the third round (No. 68) of the 2018 NHL Draft. That was before he displayed his offensive upside with 28 points (12 goals, 16 assists) in 36 games as a freshman at Northeastern University last season. "I was more seen as a defensive player, which I am, but I have offensive ability too," the 19-year-old said during Canucks development camp in June. "It carries over [from my dad], he was a great two-way forward, so it's hard not to see the defensive side of the game I play. I take everything from him, and he's said it himself too, that I am very good defensively, but I just have a little more offensive side to my game." [RELATED: Complete prospects coverage | Team Reset: Vancouver Canucks] Madden (5-foot-11, 152 pounds) proved it by taking advantage of the opportunity to play on the top line at Northeastern, which won the Hockey East championship for the third time. Madden was the only unanimous selection to the Hockey East all-rookie team. He also earned a spot with the United States at the 2019 IIHF World Junior Championship, when he had four points (three goals, one assist) in seven games and averaged 17:40 of ice time on the way to finishing second to Finland. Madden will return to Northeastern for his sophomore season with a focus on building on his slight frame and developing his offense. Neither the Canucks nor Madden seem worried about his size, mentioning forwards Johnny Gaudreau (5-9, 165) of the Calgary Flames and Patrick Kane (5-10, 177) of the Chicago Blackhawks. Madden, who hopes to play professionally at 165 pounds, also cited another high-scoring forward, Artemi Panarin (5-11, 168) of the New York Rangers. "If you're strong on your edges, the game has changed so being a light guy isn't a disadvantage nowadays," Madden said. "I think skating has a lot to do with different things I'm able to do on the ice. When I have that speed, people can't handle it, and the hands just come with it." That the Canucks mention Gaudreau and Kane in relation to Madden says a lot, considering they overlooked his offensive potential when they drafted him. "How people talked about him, especially in our amateur meetings, I definitely think our group didn't feel like that was the high end," Vancouver senior director of player development Ryan Johnson said. "His draft year [defensive forward] was branded on him immediately, even before he stepped on the ice with us in [2018] development camp, but I can tell you we all came out of that week not with that idea of what his player type was." 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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