2019 NHL Entry Draft in Vancouver, BC

[mikeyman109]

48 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I think that with what Caufield has done on the international scene, if 9 other clubs (6 really) pass on him, there are reasons within their scouting staffs to pass on him, that itself should be a red flag of sorts, after all he is truly a prolific scorer, at a generational pace...….so if teams are passing, then chances are those red flags are saying something.

 

In the end...…….I have a list of guys I like at 10 and a list I am uneasy with

 

Uneasy with...…….Newhook, Caufield, Broberg, and Kaleyev

 

Guys I like at 10.....Boldly, Zegras, Dach, Krebs, Seider, Soderstrom

 

1 guys I like and am scared about...……..Podkolzin

 

Depending on who gets picked before us, I would trade down to 13/14th if enough of our guys are still on the table...…..honestly, as much as I have great opinions on the subject...…...I truly do yield to Benning and their scouting staff, and the fact is, its a pretty inexact science...…..aka drafting 17/18 year olds

I trust Benning

 

About the only thing I really want is for him to obtain more extra picks, we shall see. I am sure there is a lot of GM chatter going on these days, more so than in other years...…...it will be interesting to see unfold, and I will probably be confused as usual, as to why somethings happen regarding trades/picks etc.

 

 

Cliff Ronning as a pure scorer with New west as a Junior and put up 197 points one year as I recall including 89 goals. As an NHL player he never broke 30. once he hit 29 in 92/93. Caulfield is a goal scorer in junior but the big leagues where you have to be able to skate he will not have the same success, Ronning was a great skater, it becomes a liability and Caulfield for a smaller scorer does not skate great.

I have no issue if JB decides one of the defensemen are the BPA or perhaps a larger winger to play with Petey and Boes. I would avoid the smaller stature player based on his skating

Edited May 26, 2019 by mikeyman109

[J.I.A.H.N]

7 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Cliff Ronning as a pure scorer with New west as a Junior and put up 197 points one year as I recall including 89 goals. As an NHL player he never broke 30. once he hit 29 in 92/93. Caulfield is a goal scorer in junior but the big leagues where you have to be able to skate he will not have the same success, Ronning was a great skater, it becomes a liability and Caulfield for a smaller scorer does not skate great.

I have no issue if JB decides one of the defensemen are the BPA or perhaps a larger winger to play with Petey and Boes. I would avoid the smaller stature player based on his skating

Yeah, this year is sure a mystery, with so many guys in the same grouping....

I am pretty much along the same lines......too many questions with Caufield...….not the time to risk a pick

 

For me, the guys I listed all fit holes we have, and would all be looked at as top end guys for their positions on our team......

 

 

[mikeyman109]

13 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

Yeah, this year is sure a mystery, with so many guys in the same grouping....

I am pretty much along the same lines......too many questions with Caufield...….not the time to risk a pick

 

For me, the guys I listed all fit holes we have, and would all be looked at as top end guys for their positions on our team......

 

 

I agree there is no guarantee his success scoring translates to the NHL , thats all i was saying. Someone will pick him up but it doesnt mean he will be a great scorer at the NHL level.

I like the D men, Seider, Broberg, Soderstrom etc

I like the bigger wingers in the draft. If we draft a d man then I would hope we sing a winger in free agency. My pick has been Anders Lee if he will come here. I like 6'3 231 to play with Petey and Boes. Would kind of be like the Nazzy Bertuzzi Morrison line.

If we draft a winger Cozens or Boldy or even a center like Dach, i hope we sign a couple D men in Free agency to give us some D depth. I am not on the Karlsson bandwagon though

 

Edited May 26, 2019 by mikeyman109

[appleboy]

If a player is smaller then they need to compensate that with skating and quickness. Flat out speed is good but for me it is their mobility that is most important.  Lateral mobility and the smarts to change pace. Knowing when to alter pace. The skill to slowdown and then quickly accelerate. The ability and agility to move laterally.  

Players like this are hard to hit and hard to get a read on.

Marchand.  I think I puked in my mouth just a little saying his name.

[mikeyman109]

5 minutes ago, appleboy said:

If a player is smaller then they need to compensate that with skating and quickness. Flat out speed is good but for me it is their mobility that is most important.  Lateral mobility and the smarts to change pace. Knowing when to alter pace. The skill to slowdown and then quickly accelerate. The ability and agility to move laterally.  

Players like this are hard to hit and hard to get a read on.

Marchand.  I think I puked in my mouth just a little saying his name.

I agree but if you cant keep up to the play or cant get back to defend, you become a liability. And i puked a lot more than a little reading his name.

[Nucker 67]

I like the idea of a big, skilled player with the 1st. Got to think playoffs and durability. 

 

(C/RW) Dach

(C/RW) Cozens

(LW) Boldy

(LD) Broberg

(LD) Harley

(C/RW) Lavoie

 

 

 

[TGT68]

I think everyone's lists are different for number 10.    I am thinking a player ready earlier (one or two years).  A player who is offensive and is a LW or LW/C.  A player who can be at physical in a Horvat sense or more.  

 

I am thinking Boldy or Lavoie but would be comfortable with Newhook or even Krebs. 

 

I do not prefer a d at 10 this year.  I do not prefer Caulfield at all.  And project all the other guys I like (Hughes, kaako, byram, turcotte, cozens,dach) are all gone early.  

 

Someone takes Caulfield.  I just hope not us as i do not think he translates better than Boucher.  

[Kanukfanatic]

4 hours ago, mikeyman109 said:

I agree wholeheartedly that size alone isn't the recipe for success. Its about their character, and as you say some players play bigger than their size, some smaller.

In the old days they used to say a team grew bigger when an enforcer was on the team because they could do what they had to when someone had their back.

 

In looking at the Canucks today, especially their D men tell me one player other than Biega that plays bigger than their size. If you cant find a player that does that then we have to draft someone bigger than what we have. I am totally in on the fight in the dog argument.Unfortunately once the refs put the whistles away in the playoffs it does become about physical superiority to some extent. its not everything but it is something.

 

The last two times we went to the finals we had one of the bigger teams in the league. In 94 i believe we were the biggest. Big with skill. Lumme was 6'1 201( wish we had him now) and that was not small for that era Murzyn was 6'2 200, Babych was 6'2 215 and strong as an ox, Dirk 6'4 210, Diduck 6'1 216, Hedican 6'2 210, Glynn 6'4 218. Brown was  6'0 204 and he was the lightweight skill player.

 

In 2011 Alberts was 6'5 206,Bieksa, 6'1 197 and he played bigger than that,Edler 6'3 212, Ehrhoff 6'2 201( he was big with skill), Hamhuis 6'1 204, Rome 6'1 218, Ballard was the little guy 5'11 195 and there is room for one , i repeat one smurf D man. Ballard was it.

 

2019 Biega played half the season at 5'10 199 ( plays bigger than he is), Edler 6'3 212 (same as in 2011 but now older and slower), Hutton 6'2 206 (plays smaller than he is), Pooalot 6'0 196( just terrible), Stecher 5'10 186 (small), Tanev 6'2 197 and gone most of the season, Sautner 6'1 195, Now Hughes at 5'10 170. Gudbranson was 6.0 195 6'2 197, Schenn 6'2 ,221( he was noticeable because he brings veteran experience but has the body to dish it out a bit better).

Its not that being a smaller D man is a bad thing in the league. there are a lot of teams succeeding with a smaller D man in their corps. You just cannot operate with all of your players playing smaller than they are. Quinn Hughes is likely to become a very good Defenseman in this league but i dont want him defending against  Carter, Kopitar, Kovalchuck when we are in LA. If we want the team to become better we need to find some defensive size to help off set him. Hughes makes Stecher, Hutton , Sautner Pooalot, redundant.

Everyone says the game has changed and it has. Speed and skill are at a premium. What hasn't changed is the skill with size is successful. No one complained when Bertuzzi was scoring 40 a year at 6'3 229. Again its not everything but to totally dismiss it isn't smart either.

Bieksa was average sized but a perfect example of "the size of the fight in the dog". He wasn't scared of anything. We need a couple guys like him again.

[JeremyCuddles]

Seen a recent Mock draft from Button, posted on May 22nd on the TSN website (I'd just link it or whatever but I am tech inept). He's moved Podkolzin back into the top 10. Going to us at 10. I still stand by the opinion that Podkolzin is gone before our pick but if it plays out this way I'd hardly be upset. I know people are hung up on him being Russian and committed to the KHL for 2 more years but I don't think it matters. Anyone we take at 10 is likely 2-3 years from being a legit NHL player anyway. 

 

His top 10 is

 

1: Jack Hughes (NJD)

2: Kaapo Kakko (NYR) 

3: Bowen Byram (CHI)

4: Kirby Dach (COL)

5: Cole Caufield (LAK)

6: Dylan Cozens (DET)

7: Alex Turcotte (BUF)

8: Matthew Boldy (EDM)

9: Trevor Zegras (ANA)

10: Vasili Podkolzin (VAN)

 

Notables on the board (based on what I see from a few CDC wishlists) and their rank according to Button's Mock draft: Krebs (11), Newhook (13), Broberg (14), Soderstrom (17), Lavoie (18), Seider (25). Interesting to note that Seider's recent play has not moved him up a whole lot from Button's last Mock draft. He was ranked 26 in the last one, has him going 25 in this one. Same with Lavoie, he actually moved him down his mock draft even after a pretty good playoffs from 15 in his last mock to 18 in this one. 

[Nucker 67]

28 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

10: Vasili Podkolzin (VAN)

It would be a little scary to draft Podkolzin, but the rewards could be huge. Plays with speed and bite, he would look great with Pettersson. Tryamkin would be on the first flight lol 

 

I would be nervous with that pick, but I`d also be ecstatic. The guy is probably the 3rd best player in the Draft. He ticks all of the boxes, but Benning will find out his intentions during the interviews. 

[73 Percent]

3 hours ago, TGokou said:

Right..and that's exactly why I wouldn't draft McDavid either..the tool can't even get Edmonton into the playoffs. What a bust...

Mcdavid isnt 5'8"

 

We were comparingthe similarities of claufield and debrincat. I'm not sure where mcdavid fits in this conversation.  

 

The theme of this year's playoffs is size advantage. Have you ever heard the story of playoff ghost johnny gaudreau?

Edited May 26, 2019 by 73 Percent

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I think that with what Caufield has done on the international scene, if 9 other clubs (6 really) pass on him, there are reasons within their scouting staffs to pass on him, that itself should be a red flag of sorts, after all he is truly a prolific scorer, at a generational pace...….so if teams are passing, then chances are those red flags are saying something.

 

In the end...…….I have a list of guys I like at 10 and a list I am uneasy with

 

Uneasy with...…….Newhook, Caufield, Broberg, and Kaleyev

 

Guys I like at 10.....Boldly, Zegras, Dach, Krebs, Seider, Soderstrom

 

1 guys I like and am scared about...……..Podkolzin

 

Depending on who gets picked before us, I would trade down to 13/14th if enough of our guys are still on the table...…..honestly, as much as I have great opinions on the subject...…...I truly do yield to Benning and their scouting staff, and the fact is, its a pretty inexact science...…..aka drafting 17/18 year olds

I trust Benning

 

About the only thing I really want is for him to obtain more extra picks, we shall see. I am sure there is a lot of GM chatter going on these days, more so than in other years...…...it will be interesting to see unfold, and I will probably be confused as usual, as to why somethings happen regarding trades/picks etc.

 

 

To me the safest pick is Boldy (if he is still there).  I’m not sold on any defenseman predicted to still be available in the first round at all.  Too many forwards that look to be top six minimum to go for one, if we did I’d rather trade down.  I like all the guys you like but the defenseman.  Seriously last year they’d be second round picks.  

[Nucker 67]

36 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

5: Cole Caufield (LAK)

I find this very interesting, and odd. I can`t see the Kings drafting a small player like this. Especially with Podkolzin, Cozens, Turcotte and Boldy still on the board. 

[JeremyCuddles]

6 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I find this very interesting, and odd. I can`t see the Kings drafting a small player like this. Especially with Podkolzin, Cozens, Turcotte and Boldy still on the board. 

Yeah I mentioned it too, but deleted it to try limit it to just info about Button's draft. If I am LA I probably target Cozens, Turcotte, Boldy or Podkolzin instead. Cozens has speed and size. One of which they generally like the other they really need. Boldy is a two way guy, fits right into their identity imo. Same with Podkolzin but being committed for sure for two years in the KHL may have them thinking they want someone with the possibility of being in the NHL sooner. Turcotte screams LA guy to me. He has all the tools they like, could be in the NHL as early as next season (after his college season ends), is a center and everyone loves centers.

[nergish]

21 minutes ago, TGT68 said:

I think everyone's lists are different for number 10.    I am thinking a player ready earlier (one or two years).  A player who is offensive and is a LW or LW/C.  A player who can be at physical in a Horvat sense or more.  

 

I am thinking Boldy or Lavoie but would be comfortable with Newhook or even Krebs. 

 

I do not prefer a d at 10 this year.  I do not prefer Caulfield at all.  And project all the other guys I like (Hughes, kaako, byram, turcotte, cozens,dach) are all gone early.  

 

Someone takes Caulfield.  I just hope not us as i do not think he translates better than Boucher.  

Agree with a lot of this.

Based on what I've seen, Boldy has to be the number 1 target. He fits our roster like a glove. Seems like a nice kid, too. 

He has the type of game that could work beautifully with EP and Brock, or even on Bo's wing. Let's hope some his USNTDP teammates get selected ahead of him so we can grab this guy.

Krebs would be a fine choice. He appears to be a character guy too, and Jimbo seems to like guys that have been leaders on their junior teams. How many former captains do we have in our system? Just not sure if there's enough GAMEBREAKING upside.

Newhook works for me.I like his skillset a lot. Hard to predict his exact upside, but the kid can play. I would be happy with this guy at #10.

 

Lavoie is ehhh for me. Love the size, love the stats. But he kind of just reminds me of Zach MacEwen... who we have.

I would also personally be happy if Podkolzin made his way to us. Russian factor be damned. Sure we've gone through the Tryamkin debacle, and the underwhelming play of Goldobin, but what Russians have we REALLY taken a chance on the last 5+ years?

 

I just can't do Caufield at #10 for Vancouver. If he was a roadrunner with edgework like Q. Hughes, then by all means... but at his size, being a "goal scoring specialist" isn't enough. Brock Boeser already inhabits that role, and even he gets out-muscled at times and misses defensive assignments (and he's 6'1 190lbs).

I don't feel like Seider, Soderstrom, York, etc. etc. provide enough pizzazz for a 10th overall pick, but I personally feel that Broberg could. Could bust, there are some weaknesses for sure, but I would be OK with that selection. 

 

 

 

 

 

[TGokou]

34 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

Mcdavid isnt 5'8"

 

We were comparingthe similarities of claufield and debrincat. I'm not sure where mcdavid fits in this conversation.  

 

The theme of this year's playoffs is size advantage. Have you ever heard the story of playoff ghost johnny gaudreau?

I understand where your coming from and I just made an argument to counteract a pretty weak argument that Debrincat was somehow responsible for Chicago not making it into the playoffs. Also the size argument for forwards is somewhat debunked as small forwards have had lots of success in the playoffs. St. Louis in Tampa, Brad Marchand, etc. It all depends on how much heart you have. Gaudreau disappearing in the playoffs is not a new phenomenon. You can point to a dozen players (big players) who have disappeared in the playoffs much the same way. You pointing to Gaudreau not performing is one example in one particular year. It's not like he didn't have his chances, he just couldn't convert. Happens to the best of them. If anything, playoff success has more to do with your clutch ability in big game situations and your overall heart. Has little to do with your size.

[Rollieo Del Fuego]

After that world tourney....we may have to trade up to get Seider...

 

The man-child can skate, shoot and pass...but even more impressive is his super fast thinking defensive work and break-out ability.

 

Seider could give Byram a run for best D. in this draft...you can't teach intelligence or synapses reaction time....

 

If he is available at 10...Benning will grab him...!

[AK_19]

I'm down for a dman. I'd be pretty happy with Seider or Soderstrom but no to Broberg. I like that both those dmen can play in the AHL next year.  I don't know why but I am not as confident in the forwards this year. They seem like a lot of "meh" outside of the top two. They all seem to have flaws in a way I just don't see in those two dmen. 

[RetroCanuck]

Seider or Soderstrom and Ill be more then happy.

 

Especially if they come over to the AHL next year and really shore up that group

[Alflives]

49 minutes ago, TGokou said:

I understand where your coming from and I just made an argument to counteract a pretty weak argument that Debrincat was somehow responsible for Chicago not making it into the playoffs. Also the size argument for forwards is somewhat debunked as small forwards have had lots of success in the playoffs. St. Louis in Tampa, Brad Marchand, etc. It all depends on how much heart you have. Gaudreau disappearing in the playoffs is not a new phenomenon. You can point to a dozen players (big players) who have disappeared in the playoffs much the same way. You pointing to Gaudreau not performing is one example in one particular year. It's not like he didn't have his chances, he just couldn't convert. Happens to the best of them. If anything, playoff success has more to do with your clutch ability in big game situations and your overall heart. Has little to do with your size.

Caufield’s biggest issue is not his size, but his skating.  How many small guys play in the NHL that have skating issues?  If Caufield could skate great and drive play, he’d be top three.  With his poor skating he could easily fall out of the top 20.