OPTIMAL 2018-2019 CANUCKS TEAM

[stawns]

19 minutes ago, nuckfanfromafrica said:

don't get me wrong, Baer is a good option. However Grandlund adds an equally playmaking ability coupled with shot to complement the group better

If anything, I take Boes off that PP........he barely gets a sniff with EP on the same line.

[VIC_CITY]

Motte looks impressive. Palmu has been good. Chatfield has been good. Dahlen has been decent. Juolevi has been decent. None of these guys will make the team, as they don't require waivers. There will be plenty of injuries, they will get their chance.

[danjr]

I don't mean to be mean, but pure stupidity.

 

You are always going to have tired players on every one of your special teams.

 

Why do you think teams use PP and SH units that are usually only chosen from two lines.  Number one so they have chemistry of playing together and knowing what they will do in most situations.  Number two, so they are fresh.

 

Another factor is now you are expecting all these lines to become checkers.  Due to the fact that the offensive talents are diminished on all lines, letting the level of the opposing checkers match the line.  Put the best checking opposition player against the offensive player of each line and now that line is reduced to ineffective.  Why do you think teams that roll four lines have low winning percentages.  Sure they may compete, but they aren't going to win lots.  

 

So in the last 5 years we had the Sedins and no secondary scoring line.  We had no scoring if the sedins were shut down.  Now you are proposing to take away scoring and reduce the whole team to secondary scoring, that won't score.

[nuckfanfromafrica]

18 minutes ago, danjr said:

I don't mean to be mean, but pure stupidity.

 

You are always going to have tired players on every one of your special teams.

 

Why do you think teams use PP and SH units that are usually only chosen from two lines.  Number one so they have chemistry of playing together and knowing what they will do in most situations.  Number two, so they are fresh.

 

Another factor is now you are expecting all these lines to become checkers.  Due to the fact that the offensive talents are diminished on all lines, letting the level of the opposing checkers match the line.  Put the best checking opposition player against the offensive player of each line and now that line is reduced to ineffective.  Why do you think teams that roll four lines have low winning percentages.  Sure they may compete, but they aren't going to win lots.  

 

So in the last 5 years we had the Sedins and no secondary scoring line.  We had no scoring if the sedins were shut down.  Now you are proposing to take away scoring and reduce the whole team to secondary scoring, that won't score.

none taken. Vegas seemed to do just fine last season rolling lines with worker mentality

[Dr.BRR]

2 hours ago, nuckfanfromafrica said:

same was said of Burrows when he was first added to the Sedin line. For every Megna there is also the Burrows. He is just a grinder. 

very true. That was one line though, you supplemented grit or energy on every line which I don't think would work. And sedins had the ability to make anyone productive, not sure if the same would be the case with the lines you suggested! Nonetheless, I'm always open to mixing and matching to find chemistry

[cyoung]

1 hour ago, nuckfanfromafrica said:

key thing is that Backstrom is a pass first center. Agree with occasionally loading up a line with Pettersson & boeser. Don't see Bo as an ideal partner for Boeser

They played amazing hockey together last season haha. Lots of chemistry from early on. Don't see how you think that haha

[Rush17]

OP I find your case to place Roussel on Pettersson's wing very intriguing. You make a compelling case why he could be a valuable member of that line. 

 

I'm not sure I agree so much with the Boeser and Horvat lines but I think Motte could do better with more skilled linemates.

[TreeMac]

7 hours ago, nuckfanfromafrica said:

Canucks key to success this season is to roll four lines each featuring a key player with complimentary pieces to ensure optimal success. I've always believed in
playing to a players strength and complementing them with players that excel at their weakness. Each line features a heart & soul energy player to keep the intensity
level high on every shift. No designated 1st - 4th line except on any given night most productive line earns the most ice time (driving internal competition). Line D
gets the most defensive starts.

 

LINE A (Elias Line):    Antoine Roussel(Energy guy) - Elia Pettersson - Nikolay Goldobin

 

Featured key player/driver is Elia Pettersson. Kid has exceptional creativity and puck skills to drive play along with elite release. He is equally adapt at setting up
line mates and finding open spot to receive and release a wicked wrister. He currently lacks the strength, size and aggressiveness to battle behind the net, along the
boards, hit and battle in the crease for in close goals. Cue complementary pieces  Antoine Roussel (LW) & Nikolay Goldobin.

 

Antoine Roussel is a blue collar tireless skater that battles, hits, drives the net thus opening up space for skilled players to create. With Goldobin the line has
another play making winger that can set up Pettersson for one timers along with finding open space to release a wrister when opposing defenders key in on Pettersson

 

Key weakness of the line is in face offs. A solution is to have Jay Beagle & Sutter (depending on side of face off cycle) draw in for key faceoffs and replaced by Goldobin thereafter. (AV employed this strategy often when he was coaching in Vancouver)

 

LINE B (Bo's Line):     Sven Baertschi - Bo Hovart - Tyler Motte(Energy guy)

 

Bo Hovart's key strength is his ability to bull himself to the net. He has a tendency to try to beat defender with his inside - outside move and when successful is
effective. However he lacks the true playmaking center ability to make players around him better. Effective wingers for Him are ones that do not need the puck but have
effective puck skills to push play and set up line mates.

 

Baertschi provides the winger playmaking ability that Bo requires and appears to read off Bo quite well.

 

Tyler Motte provides hustle, determination and relentless battle.(similar to the role that he played in Chicago on a line with Toews & Hansen/Burrows like role in Vancouver).

 

LINE C (Boeser Line):   Jake Virtanen(Energy guy) - Markus Granlund - Brock Boeser

 

Boeser is a pure shooter and requires a good set up man. Boeser and Bo are not an optimal mix as Bo likes the puck too often and is a shoot first Center.

 

Next to Pattersson, Granlund is the next best playmaking centerman on the team. Virtanen provides the bull drive to the net from the left flank. Virtanen (plain & simple) is most effective and dominant flying from the left wing as it allows him to use his size, lean on defenders while driving the net. It also gives the line a second hard right shoot off wing.On this Line he serves a similar role to that of Roussel on line A.

 

Acknowlege that Pettersson can center Boeser. However having Boeser as a corner piece on a different line spreads out the offense allowing for tougher match ups for opposing team. When required the team can load up a line featuring Pettersson - Hovart - Boeser.

 

LINE D: (Beagle & Sutter Line): Tim Schaller(Energy guy) - Jay Beagle - Brandon Sutter

 

Beagle & Sutter provide the essential heavy lifting and shout down elements thus drawing key match up role.

 

EXTRA FORWARD: Leipsic

Waived (minor) or IR: Louis Erksson & Sam Gagner & Gaunce & Alex Biega & Jalen Chatfield, 

PAIR A:    Alex Edler - Erik Gudbranson

 

Physical pairing that keeps the opposing teams forwards honest along with the net clearing element. Acknowledge lack of puck carrier. This is negated or limited by
paring them with LINE A that features a puck carrier in Elias and playmaking wing in Goldobin. Two hard shots from the point in Gudbranson (underrated shot) & Edler
(can stand to hit the net more)

 

PAIR B:      Olli Juolevi - Chris Tanev

 

Effective defender Tanev paired with an up & coming rookie that can carry the poke. Paired primary with LINE C given Boeser another playmaker on D in Juolevi

 

PAIR C:     Ben Hutton - Michael Del Zotto

 

Paired Primarily with LINE B

 

RESERVE PAIR:    Derrick Pouliot - Troy Stecher

 

 

POWER PLAY UNIT 1

                     

                            Hovart(net driver)

Boeser(shooter)                        Pettersson(shooter & QB)

                    Grandlund(shooter & Passer)
         
         Juolevi(sHOOTER & QB)

 

Features 3 shooters.

Boeser on the left cycle (moving up to the left D zone). Grandlund in the middle serving as a set up man for Pettersson & Boeser & middle man
shooter option for Pettersson.

Pettersson as the Right side QB and shooter off the right cycle. Set up man for Hovart from down low, Grandlund & cross crease feed to
Boeser.

Hovart serves as the down low, poke in tight man, rebound cleaner, set up man for Grandlund, Boeser.

Juolevi D man QB set up man for Pettersson & Boeser (think World juniors Finn teaM featuring Laine & Pulljave) and wristers from the point. 

POWER PLAY UNIT  2

 

Virtanen             Nikolay Goldobin 

           Baertschi

   Ben Hutton    Michael Del Zotto 

PK UNIT 1

      Brandon Sutter - Tyler Motte
      
      Alex Edler - Erik Gudbranson

 

PK UNIT 2

     

  Jay Beagle - Tim Schaller
      
         Del Zotto - Tanev

Yeah idk.. Seems like you spread the butter too thin on the wrong type of bread to me. That model works for a team like Pit who has two top 5 players on the planet in the 1 and 2 Center slots.. We dont have that luxury in my opinion and should group skill and energy together. And in my opinion, Goldy is still on the bubble, along with Granlund, Motte and Gagner. But the injuries to Eriksson and Rousell open up some spots for guys to prove they belong. Who knows what happens to Gagner, solid NHL'r but wouldnt mind a younger guy in his role like Leipsic. Feel like Juolevi will be in Utica to start the year so he can play top minutes and PP to get into his groove. Similar situation to Demko, don't think he's stole Nilssons spot yet. Was suprised to see in the first Calgary preseason (ahl lineup) game Green gave Juolevi literally no PP time and went to Pouliot every opportunity he could.

 

*If everyone is healthy, Motte and Gagner get cut. Only reason Motte goes over Granlund is asset managment. Motte doesn't require waivers unless he plays 1 more game. 

 

Leipsic-Horvat-Boeser 

Baertschi-Pettersson-Goldobin 

Motte-Sutter-Virtanen 

Schaller-Beagle-Granlund

Gagner 

Rousell (IR) - Eriksson (IR) 

 

Edler-Stecher 

Hutton-Tanev 

DelZotto-Gudbranson 

Pouliot-Biega

 

Markstrom 

Nilsson

 

[wai_lai416]

Lol with your line combination I expect this team to get shutout in 25% of the games they play this season. You take ur top scorer puts him with plugs that puts up maybe 20 points a year.. you have no Center on your 2nd pp line so we ain’t ever getting the puck from a face off.. EP is put in a position to fail rather than succeed having to carry the line by himself with 0 proven scorer. U want them to roll the 4 lines so they play like 15 mins each so against teams with workhorse Norris defenseman that plays close to 30 mins a night instead of shutting down 1 line. They get to shut down 2 lines. Your thinking is terrible and those lines are even more terrible. 

[sockeye]

1 hour ago, TreeMac said:

Yeah idk.. Seems like you spread the butter too thin on the wrong type of bread to me. That model works for a team like Pit who has two top 5 players on the planet in the 1 and 2 Center slots.. We dont have that luxury in my opinion and should group skill and energy together. And in my opinion, Goldy is still on the bubble, along with Granlund, Motte and Gagner. But the injuries to Eriksson and Rousell open up some spots for guys to prove they belong. Who knows what happens to Gagner, solid NHL'r but wouldnt mind a younger guy in his role like Leipsic. Feel like Juolevi will be in Utica to start the year so he can play top minutes and PP to get into his groove. Similar situation to Demko, don't think he's stole Nilssons spot yet. Was suprised to see in the first Calgary preseason (ahl lineup) game Green gave Juolevi literally no PP time and went to Pouliot every opportunity he could.

 

*If everyone is healthy, Motte and Gagner get cut. Only reason Motte goes over Granlund is asset managment. Motte doesn't require waivers unless he plays 1 more game. 

 

Leipsic-Horvat-Boeser 

Baertschi-Pettersson-Goldobin 

Motte-Sutter-Virtanen 

Schaller-Beagle-Granlund

Gagner 

Rousell (IR) - Eriksson (IR) 

 

Edler-Stecher 

Hutton-Tanev 

DelZotto-Gudbranson 

Pouliot-Biega

 

Markstrom 

Nilsson

 

I think your line-up is very close to what we'll see.  You might see Leipsic and Baertschi switch places but I think your set up is how it will start out.  One advantage that Gagner has is that he is a right-handed shot which we have few of but, keeping him would mean we lose Leipsic, Goldobin, Motte or Granlund (most likely, we would waive Goldobin).  I think Virtanen is safe.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Sautner make the team but I'm not sure who would be moved to create a spot for him.

[JeremyCuddles]

Don't need to overthink it. Players have pre-existing chemistry should stay together. My lineups when healthy are:

 

Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser

Eriksson - Pettersson - Goldy

Schaller/Granlund - Sutter - Virtanen

Roussel - Beagle - Granlund/Schaller

 

I know there are a select group that think Baer doesn't bring anything but I think he does and fits really nicely with Bo and Boeser. Eriksson's two way play should compliment Pettersson and Goldy, and hopefully Goldy pays attention to Pettersson and Eriksson and sees their effort away from the puck as well as with the puck. Granny and Sutter have some pre-existing chemistry but I am not entirely sure if Schaller has played on his off wing whereas Granlund has played all 3 forward positions a fair bit so his versatility is really nice.

 

Preferably I'd have Goldy on the left and Jake on the right of Pettersson but I guess Jake is anchored to the bottom 6. 

 

Edit: I know people are high on Leipsic, but from what I am seeing Motte has outplayed him by a wide margin this preseason. If management is true about making room for guys Motte should be ahead of Leipsic at least, imo.

[magicman12]

7 hours ago, cyoung said:

In theory it's a good idea but in reality this does not work, you do not deploy you best player with players who will stifle his production. That would be like putting ovechkin with beagle and expecting the same production. Ovechkin needs Backstrom or kuz, boeser needs Horvat or Pettersson. Bottom line. 

In theory its stupid.... skill with skill=more ice time..... 4th line players = less ice time , its been this way since the start of hockey ....... lol obviously this poster has never played or watched much hockey. 

[cyoung]

7 minutes ago, magicman12 said:

In theory its stupid.... skill with skill=more ice time..... 4th line players = less ice time , its been this way since the start of hockey ....... lol obviously this poster has never played or watched much hockey. 

I was trying to go easy on the guy lol

[Rick_theRyper]

This is how you make lines on NHL games.... Ply , Pwf, Snp. Right ? 

 

 

We all know its gonna be a top 6 of scoring and a 2nd dairy.. Lol line of scoring slash checking line with sutts and company. And the beagle shut down express line! 

 

Baer.  Bo. Boeser.

Goldy. Petter. Virtanen(imo)

Granny/liepsic. Sutts. Erick

Rousell. Beagle. Shaller/Motte

 

With a grain of salt and a switcharooney dooney here and there friendarino... And thats prob fairly accurate... 

 

Doubt we spread our top 3 guys over 3 lines... Unless WD mind controls TG and like a dark puppeteer in the seats behind the home bench embarks on a evil vindictive mission with his ultimate goal... The return of Darth Vey and the red hot Megma! Real gud. 

 

Sorry for the ridiculousness.. oP got me good..

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Rick_theRyper said:

This is how you make lines on NHL games.... Ply , Pwf, Snp. Right ? 

 

 

We all know its gonna be a top 6 of scoring and a 2nd dairy.. Lol line of scoring slash checking line with sutts and company. And the beagle shut down express line! 

 

Baer.  Bo. Boeser.

Goldy. Petter. Virtanen(imo)

Granny/liepsic. Sutts. Erick

Rousell. Beagle. Shaller/Motte

 

With a grain of salt and a switcharooney dooney here and there friendarino... And thats prob fairly accurate... 

 

Doubt we spread our top 3 guys over 3 lines... Unless WD mind controls TG and like a dark puppeteer in the seats behind the home bench embarks on a evil vindictive mission with his ultimate goal... The return of Darth Vey and the red hot Megma! Real gud. 

 

Sorry for the ridiculousness.. oP got me good..

I like:)

phone Green. 

[magicman12]

3 hours ago, TreeMac said:

Yeah idk.. Seems like you spread the butter too thin on the wrong type of bread to me. That model works for a team like Pit who has two top 5 players on the planet in the 1 and 2 Center slots.. We dont have that luxury in my opinion and should group skill and energy together. And in my opinion, Goldy is still on the bubble, along with Granlund, Motte and Gagner. But the injuries to Eriksson and Rousell open up some spots for guys to prove they belong. Who knows what happens to Gagner, solid NHL'r but wouldnt mind a younger guy in his role like Leipsic. Feel like Juolevi will be in Utica to start the year so he can play top minutes and PP to get into his groove. Similar situation to Demko, don't think he's stole Nilssons spot yet. Was suprised to see in the first Calgary preseason (ahl lineup) game Green gave Juolevi literally no PP time and went to Pouliot every opportunity he could.

 

*If everyone is healthy, Motte and Gagner get cut. Only reason Motte goes over Granlund is asset managment. Motte doesn't require waivers unless he plays 1 more game. 

 

Leipsic-Horvat-Boeser 

Baertschi-Pettersson-Goldobin 

Motte-Sutter-Virtanen 

Schaller-Beagle-Granlund

Gagner 

Rousell (IR) - Eriksson (IR) 

 

Edler-Stecher 

Hutton-Tanev 

DelZotto-Gudbranson 

Pouliot-Biega

 

Markstrom 

Nilsson

 

This is the best lineup I have seen... well done!!!! Shout out to Green n Banning. I would look for another backup goalie.......

[Monteeun]

9 hours ago, nuckfanfromafrica said:

same was said of Burrows when he was first added to the Sedin line. For every Megna there is also the Burrows. He is just a grinder. 

Just because it worked for Burrows doesn't mean it'll work every single time. U can't assume it'll work again. U can't just plug 'em in.

[magicman12]

1 hour ago, cyoung said:

I was trying to go easy on the guy lol

Lol ya I've been ripped here for way less. Just so far off reminded me of Bill Laforge treating the team like a junior team.He was fired after, i think it was, 21 games.

 

[Qwags]

Baer-Horvat-Boeser

Goldobin-Pettersson-Virtanen

Leipsic-Sutter-Granlund

Schaller-Beagle-Motte

 

Edler-Guddy

Hutton-Tanev

Stecher-MDZ

 

Marky

Nilsson

[Rick_theRyper]

8 minutes ago, Qwags said:

Baer-Horvat-Boeser

Goldobin-Pettersson-Virtanen

Leipsic-Sutter-Granlund

Schaller-Beagle-Motte

 

Edler-Guddy

Hutton-Tanev

Stecher-MDZ

 

Marky

Nilsson

Love it our lines are so close! Top 6 bang on. I wanna see this at LEAST! The last perseason.