Linus Karlsson | C

[Ray_Cathode]

25 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

Gillis left behind what?

 

Kesler who handcuffed the team by demanding a trade to 1 place. NTC

 

The sedins who wouldn't play anywhere else (I don't fault them this). NMC

 

Hamhuis who &^@#ed us royally. NTC

 

Bieksa was moved for a 2nd I believe. NTC

 

Burrows was moved for dahlen. Who's having a great rookie season even if it's not with us. NTC.

 

Edler who wouldn't play anywhere else. NTC.

 

The and so ons you speak of must have been some real good assets. Care to share them with us lol?

Okay. Your first statement is false regarding a Kesler, Kesler gave JB two options: Anaheim or Chicago; but that does not mean that he has to comply with Kesler’s request. He can refuse to trade a Kesler at all, and hold out till a Kesler is more amenable. JB’s problem was his reluctance to accept the fact that the team needed a complete rebuild - an issue that we will be dealing with until his cap disaster finally expires.

 

That the Sedins would resist a trade at the time when Benning took over, had he told them that he was going to begin a complete rebuild - and that he would find a contender for them to play on, is entirely conjectural. That it did not happen is no proof that it could not have happened.

 

How Hamhuis is responsible for the JB not offering him a contract is absurd. This was typical Benning - see the players we have lost exactly like this: Tanev, Stetcher, Tofolli, Markstrom... in return for... nothing.

 

Bieksa was moved for a second - I believe for Anaheim’s 2nd pick in the 2017 draft - Gadjovich - whom we gave up this year for nothing. Burrows for Dahlen - but then we gave up on Dahlen and swapped him for Kassel - if JB gets credit for the trade of Burrows, then surely he must take the hit on moving a Dahlen. Kind of a dumb claim to make on your part.

 

”Edler wouldn’t play anywhere else.” He is playing somewhere else, in case you haven’t noticed. Another claim entirely contrary to the evidence. 
 

Do you have any legitimate claims to make?

 

 

[73 Percent]

2 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

What Gillis left behind was a team that over performed for many years, achieved greatness where greatness had never been consider. The success he aci the league up and lest we forgeteved is mind boggling, I doubt ill be reepeated again. The Gillis haters want to judge solely on prospects. Well JB did bring in some prospects for sure, BUT, his team stunk, achieved zero and at the end of the day judge the team on the level of success, wins and lossses, not who we have in the AHL!!! I can only assume you weren't around in the Gillis era,  never enjoyed attending games and left with a smile. 

What language are you speaking.

 

 

Also I've been around this forum much longer than you. I don't know how you can say I wasn't around in the Gillis era when you can't spell at a 3rd grade level. I definitely wasn't coming around here back in the day for the twilight sparkle show.me your face thread. 

[73 Percent]

4 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Okay. Your first statement is false regarding a Kesler, Kesler gave JB two options: Anaheim or Chicago; but that does not mean that he has to comply with Kesler’s request. He can refuse to trade a Kesler at all, and hold out till a Kesler is more amenable. JB’s problem was his reluctance to accept the fact that the team needed a complete rebuild - an issue that we will be dealing with until his cap disaster finally expires.

 

That the Sedins would resist a trade at the time when Benning took over, had he told them that he was going to begin a complete rebuild - and that he would find a contender for them to play on, is entirely conjectural. That it did not happen is no proof that it could not have happened.

 

How Hamhuis is responsible for the JB not offering him a contract is absurd. This was typical Benning - see the players we have lost exactly like this: Tanev, Stetcher, Tofolli, Markstrom... in return for... nothing.

 

Bieksa was moved for a second - I believe for Anaheim’s 2nd pick in the 2017 draft - Gadjovich - whom we gave up this year for nothing. Burrows for Dahlen - but then we gave up on Dahlen and swapped him for Kassel - if JB gets credit for the trade of Burrows, then surely he must take the hit on moving a Dahlen. Kind of a dumb claim to make on your part.

 

”Edler wouldn’t play anywhere else.” He is playing somewhere else, in case you haven’t noticed. Another claim entirely contrary to the evidence. 
 

Do you have any legitimate claims to make?

 

 

Gillis left us with 3 things and 3 things only

 

1. Horvat

2. Our own AHL franchise

3. A massive mess full of ntcs

[Fred65]

6 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

Gillis left us with 3 things and 3 things only

 

1. Horvat**

2. Our own AHL franchise

3. A massive mess full of ntcs

You should add the most successful era in Franchise history, fact. Truth be told tou should really add Tenev, Markstrom 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Fred65

[VegasCanuck]

2 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Gillis left behind a team full of valuable assets: the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, and so on. That Benning did not translate those assets into draft picks and prospects was entirely up to Benning. That JB failed to do that is why we are where we are today - for good or ill. JB got us some nice pieces, but saddled us with an awful pair of coaches, a descent into cap he’ll, a shortage of prospects and wasted opportunities due to his gross mishandling of the cap and lack of receiving value for assets.

Okay, so you just listed a bunch of guys who had Trade Protection.

 

So, You are they GM. You tell them that you want to trade them. They say NO, we want to stay here and won't sign to waive our NTC's / NMC's

 

Now, what do you do?

[VegasCanuck]

1 hour ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Okay. Your first statement is false regarding a Kesler, Kesler gave JB two options: Anaheim or Chicago; but that does not mean that he has to comply with Kesler’s request. He can refuse to trade a Kesler at all, and hold out till a Kesler is more amenable. JB’s problem was his reluctance to accept the fact that the team needed a complete rebuild - an issue that we will be dealing with until his cap disaster finally expires.

 

That the Sedins would resist a trade at the time when Benning took over, had he told them that he was going to begin a complete rebuild - and that he would find a contender for them to play on, is entirely conjectural. That it did not happen is no proof that it could not have happened.

 

How Hamhuis is responsible for the JB not offering him a contract is absurd. This was typical Benning - see the players we have lost exactly like this: Tanev, Stetcher, Tofolli, Markstrom... in return for... nothing.

 

Bieksa was moved for a second - I believe for Anaheim’s 2nd pick in the 2017 draft - Gadjovich - whom we gave up this year for nothing. Burrows for Dahlen - but then we gave up on Dahlen and swapped him for Kassel - if JB gets credit for the trade of Burrows, then surely he must take the hit on moving a Dahlen. Kind of a dumb claim to make on your part.

 

”Edler wouldn’t play anywhere else.” He is playing somewhere else, in case you haven’t noticed. Another claim entirely contrary to the evidence. 
 

Do you have any legitimate claims to make?

 

 

I believe that Kesler's first statement was Anaheim or Chicago, but was later narrowed down, by him to, I really only want to go to Anaheim.

 

As far as guys that we lost, EVERY GM IN THE NHL HAS LOST GUYS FOR NOTHING.

 

See Lou Lamoriello who was forced to watch Tavares as well as Rob Niedermayer, walk for nothing, and yet is still considered one of the best General Managers in the game.

 

Gadjovich was a result of the draft pick we got from Columbus for their signing Tort as coach.

 

We generally lost guys, largely as a result of Covid. We made a trade for Toffoli, 3 weeks after hearing that the league was looking at record revenue and that the GM's would have approximately 5 million more in Cap space to work with for the next season. Suddenly, Covid comes along and wipes out that Increase, and fans start screaming because a GM isn't clairvoyant. 

 

Benning made his fair share of mistakes, but fans in this city, often try and hold team management to a measuring stick that no one can live up to. Overall, despite his mistakes which include some of the guys he signed, he left us with a pretty good overall team, which has some pretty good bargaining chips for us to improve areas of weakness.

 

Generally how fans react to moves Benning made after Covid ravaged the NHL's revenues are, Benning leaves his house, driving along, and a bus runs a red light, going really fast and wipes out his car. Fan reaction? "He should have known better than leaving his HOUSE, it is ALL HIS FAULT"

[VegasCanuck]

2 hours ago, 73 Percent said:

Gillis left us with 3 things and 3 things only

 

1. Horvat

2. Our own AHL franchise

3. A massive mess full of ntcs

What most fans don't know is, from the team that went to the Stanley Cup Finals in 2011, 78% of all minutes that were played throughout those playoffs, were played by guys who were added to this the team by Brian Burke and Dave Nonis (Yes I have checked and verified this). Gillis handed out NTC's and NMC's like there were candy, drafted horribly and badly mismanaged the Luongo situation. Not just his exit from the team, but we are still paying, THIS YEAR, for the contract that Gillis signed him to. That contract is PART of the reason we had to let some guys walk instead of resigning them.

[Junkyard Dog]

How about that Karlsson kid.

 

23 points in 29 games now in the SHL. 7th in goal scoring there.

 

2nd in points amongst NHL prospects in the SHL with only 1 point behind the Leafs Pontus Holmberg who leads NHL prospects in the SHL.

 

Might have a player here.

[Junkyard Dog]

Top 5 in game winning goals too.

[Dazzle]

2 hours ago, Fred65 said:

You should add the most successful era in Franchise history, fact. Truth be told tou should really add Tenev, Markstrom 

You DO realize that Gillis was unable to make his own core right?

The core that he 'had' was largely inherited: Luongo, Kesler, Sedins, Edler - none of them were 'his'. His depth players like Samuelsson and Lapierre were his. That being said, when it came to draft, which is very much part of his job, he failed in spectacular fashion.

So no, Gillis could not demonstrate that he was a good GM. Simply riding the wave of players given to him doesn't make him a good GM. Draft/development was notably poor under Gillis, especially given the fact that Gillis WAS trading picks for playoff pushes (that ended up not succeeding).

 

Now, the question is: how many more excuses are you going to go with when Gillis DID NOT have a plan to replace the picks he lost, nor did he capitalize on the ones that he did?

 

Horvat, Hodgson, Connauton (didn't even play for Canucks), and Hutton is supposed to replace the players he inherited above?

Christ, he traded away his ONLY goaltending prospect to fill up an organizational need, all the while mishandling the Luongo situation.

 

This is like the Green situation where people will constantly make excuses for the guy, even when there's none left.

[Junkyard Dog]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-prospect-linus-karlsson-great-start-shl

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2022 by Junkyard Dog

[Dazzle]

5 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Gillis left behind a team full of valuable assets: the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, and so on. That Benning did not translate those assets into draft picks and prospects was entirely up to Benning. That JB failed to do that is why we are where we are today - for good or ill. JB got us some nice pieces, but saddled us with an awful pair of coaches, a descent into cap he’ll, a shortage of prospects and wasted opportunities due to his gross mishandling of the cap and lack of receiving value for assets.

No, he didn't.
 

How many of those were actually 'his' acquisitions? Not the Sedins. Not Kesler. Not Burrows. Not Bieksa. Not Edler. Tanev and Hamhuis are basically the only two players that Gillis ACTUALLY acquired.

 

Gillis DID NOT replace Edler, nor Kesler, nor Burrows, nor the Sedins with ANY OF his draft picks.

 

JB was given a $&!# sandwich because of how Gillis mishandled the Luongo situation, the Kesler situation, as well as the NTC issues. Do you know just how badly Gillis flopped in the draft?

 

We had next to no depth by the time Gillis was fired. You can see why.

 

2013 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2013 Entry	9	1	Bo Horvat	C	London Knights [OHL]	536	150	184	334	164
2013 Entry	24	1	Hunter Shinkaruk	L	Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL]	15	2	2	4	4
2013 Entry	85	3	Cole Cassels	C	Oshawa Generals [OHL]
2013 Entry	115	4	Jordan Subban	D	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
2013 Entry	145	5	Anton Cederholm	D	Rogle Jrs. (Sweden)
2013 Entry	175	6	Mike Williamson	D	Spruce Grove Saints [AJHL]
2013 Entry	205	7	Miles Liberati	D	London Knights [OHL]
2012 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2012 Entry	26	1	Brendan Gaunce	C	Belleville Bulls [OHL]	118	6	10	16	47
2012 Entry	57	2	Alexandre Mallet	C	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]
2012 Entry	147	5	Ben Hutton	D	Nepean Raiders [CCHL]	395	16	80	96	148
2012 Entry	177	6	Wesley Myron	F	Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL]
2012 Entry	207	7	Matthew Beattie	R	Exeter [N.H. H.S.]
2011 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2011 Entry	29	1	Nicklas Jensen	R	Oshawa Generals [OHL]	31	3	3	6	10
2011 Entry	71	3	David Honzik	G	Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL]
2011 Entry	90	3	Alexandre Grenier	R	Quebec Remparts [QMJHL]	9	0	0	0	2
2011 Entry	101	4	Joseph LaBate	L	Holy Angels Academy (Minn.)	13	0	0	0	21
2011 Entry	120	4	Ludwig Blomstrand	L	Djurgardens Jr. [Swe-Jr]
2011 Entry	150	5	Frankie Corrado	D	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]	76	3	5	8	40
2011 Entry	180	6	Pathrik Westerholm	L	Malmo Redhawks [Swe-1]
2011 Entry	210	7	Henrik Tommernes	D	Frolunda HC [SEL]
2010 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2010 Entry	115	4	Patrick McNally	D	Milton Academy [Mass.]
2010 Entry	145	5	Adam Polasek	D	Prince Edward Island Rocket [QMJHL]
2010 Entry	172	6	Alex Friesen	C	Niagara IceDogs [OHL]	1	0	0	0	0
2010 Entry	175	6	Jonathan Iilahti	G	Blues Jrs (Finland)
2010 Entry	205	7	Sawyer Hannay	D	Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL]
2009 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2009 Entry	22	1	Jordan Schroeder	L	U. of Minnesota [WCHA]	165	18	24	42	14
2009 Entry	53	2	Anton Rodin	R	Brynas Jr. [Swe-Jr]	3	0	1	1	0
2009 Entry	83	3	Kevin Connauton	D	Western Michigan University [CCHA]	341	27	50	77	186
2009 Entry	113	4	Jeremy Price	D	Nepean Raiders [CJHL]
2009 Entry	143	5	Peter Andersson	D	Vastra Frolunda Jr. [Swe-Jr]
2009 Entry	173	6	Joe Cannata	G	Merrimack College [H-East]
2009 Entry	187	7	Steven Anthony	L	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]
2008 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2008 Entry	10	1	Cody Hodgson	C	Brampton Battalion [OHL]	328	64	78	142	68
2008 Entry	41	2	Yann Sauve	D	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]	8	0	0	0	0
2008 Entry	131	5	Prabh Rai	C	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]
2008 Entry	161	6	Mats Josten-Froshaug	C	Linkoping HC Jr. [Swe-Jr]
2008 Entry	191	7	Morgan Clark	G	Red Deer Rebels [WHL]

Gillis inherited much of his success - that is not a debate.

 

What did he leave behind for his successor(s)?

 

A paltry prospect pool.

 

What did Benning draft? A good chunk of the roster. Demko, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Hughes, Pettersson. We need not say anymore. Gillis sucked because very few of his prospects (first round or not) panned out in any meaningful way.

Edited January 4, 2022 by Dazzle

[spook007]

On 12/29/2021 at 5:13 AM, aGENT said:

Would LOVE to add Paul. EXACTLY the type of guy we could use at 3C. Particularly if we do move Miller.

 

Yeah, I'm happy to retain Lammiko. Jasek, Lammiko, Motte could be a really good 4th line.

 

Jiricek is a RD prospect ranked in the 10-15 range we're likely picking in this year. Here's the Dobber summary:

 

"Mobile defender with good size and a bomb of a shot from the point. Plays a physical brand of hockey and has the potential to contribute in a variety of ways as an NHL defenseman."

 

He's playing way the WJC if you want to check him out.

 

Lyubushkin is a soon to be RFA RD currently drowning (I mean playing) in Arizona, on their top pair. 

 

"Generally keeps things simple in the defensive zone and is rather reliable. Moves the puck pretty well and also displays physicality from the back end. Is not a major point producer, even at lower levels, so his main focus will be to defend in the National Hockey League."

 

Think younger, bigger Tanev.

Really sounds like, what we are in need of... also believe Lockwood will be knocking on the 4th line door next season.

Edited January 4, 2022 by spook007

[higgyfan]

Good article on Linus.  Kids developing nicely.

 

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-prospect-linus-karlsson-great-start-shl

[filthycanuck]

On 1/3/2022 at 4:18 PM, VegasCanuck said:

What most fans don't know is, from the team that went to the Stanley Cup Finals in 2011, 78% of all minutes that were played throughout those playoffs, were played by guys who were added to this the team by Brian Burke and Dave Nonis (Yes I have checked and verified this). Gillis handed out NTC's and NMC's like there were candy, drafted horribly and badly mismanaged the Luongo situation. Not just his exit from the team, but we are still paying, THIS YEAR, for the contract that Gillis signed him to. That contract is PART of the reason we had to let some guys walk instead of resigning them.

That was the cost of business. Not his fault the players he wanted NTCs and NMCs. I'll take those bad contracts if they at least played big parts on a stanley cup final run, and a long stretch of success, which they did. Hamhuis, Kesler and Burrows all had those clauses, and we wouldve never been in the finals without those guys. Gillis job was to take care of his term as GM, whatever happens to the guy next to him, not his problem

[filthycanuck]

11 hours ago, spook007 said:

Really sounds like, what we are in need of... also believe Lockwood will be knocking on the 4th line door next season.

Lockwood should already have been through the door, taking off his shoes and going in the house considering what little or nothing Chiasson has been giving us

[filthycanuck]

On 1/3/2022 at 4:49 PM, Dazzle said:

No, he didn't.
 

How many of those were actually 'his' acquisitions? Not the Sedins. Not Kesler. Not Burrows. Not Bieksa. Not Edler. Tanev and Hamhuis are basically the only two players that Gillis ACTUALLY acquired.

 

Gillis DID NOT replace Edler, nor Kesler, nor Burrows, nor the Sedins with ANY OF his draft picks.

 

JB was given a $&!# sandwich because of how Gillis mishandled the Luongo situation, the Kesler situation, as well as the NTC issues. Do you know just how badly Gillis flopped in the draft?

 

We had next to no depth by the time Gillis was fired. You can see why.

 

2013 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2013 Entry	9	1	Bo Horvat	C	London Knights [OHL]	536	150	184	334	164
2013 Entry	24	1	Hunter Shinkaruk	L	Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL]	15	2	2	4	4
2013 Entry	85	3	Cole Cassels	C	Oshawa Generals [OHL]
2013 Entry	115	4	Jordan Subban	D	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
2013 Entry	145	5	Anton Cederholm	D	Rogle Jrs. (Sweden)
2013 Entry	175	6	Mike Williamson	D	Spruce Grove Saints [AJHL]
2013 Entry	205	7	Miles Liberati	D	London Knights [OHL]
2012 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2012 Entry	26	1	Brendan Gaunce	C	Belleville Bulls [OHL]	118	6	10	16	47
2012 Entry	57	2	Alexandre Mallet	C	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]
2012 Entry	147	5	Ben Hutton	D	Nepean Raiders [CCHL]	395	16	80	96	148
2012 Entry	177	6	Wesley Myron	F	Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL]
2012 Entry	207	7	Matthew Beattie	R	Exeter [N.H. H.S.]
2011 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2011 Entry	29	1	Nicklas Jensen	R	Oshawa Generals [OHL]	31	3	3	6	10
2011 Entry	71	3	David Honzik	G	Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL]
2011 Entry	90	3	Alexandre Grenier	R	Quebec Remparts [QMJHL]	9	0	0	0	2
2011 Entry	101	4	Joseph LaBate	L	Holy Angels Academy (Minn.)	13	0	0	0	21
2011 Entry	120	4	Ludwig Blomstrand	L	Djurgardens Jr. [Swe-Jr]
2011 Entry	150	5	Frankie Corrado	D	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]	76	3	5	8	40
2011 Entry	180	6	Pathrik Westerholm	L	Malmo Redhawks [Swe-1]
2011 Entry	210	7	Henrik Tommernes	D	Frolunda HC [SEL]
2010 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2010 Entry	115	4	Patrick McNally	D	Milton Academy [Mass.]
2010 Entry	145	5	Adam Polasek	D	Prince Edward Island Rocket [QMJHL]
2010 Entry	172	6	Alex Friesen	C	Niagara IceDogs [OHL]	1	0	0	0	0
2010 Entry	175	6	Jonathan Iilahti	G	Blues Jrs (Finland)
2010 Entry	205	7	Sawyer Hannay	D	Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL]
2009 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2009 Entry	22	1	Jordan Schroeder	L	U. of Minnesota [WCHA]	165	18	24	42	14
2009 Entry	53	2	Anton Rodin	R	Brynas Jr. [Swe-Jr]	3	0	1	1	0
2009 Entry	83	3	Kevin Connauton	D	Western Michigan University [CCHA]	341	27	50	77	186
2009 Entry	113	4	Jeremy Price	D	Nepean Raiders [CJHL]
2009 Entry	143	5	Peter Andersson	D	Vastra Frolunda Jr. [Swe-Jr]
2009 Entry	173	6	Joe Cannata	G	Merrimack College [H-East]
2009 Entry	187	7	Steven Anthony	L	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]
2008 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2008 Entry	10	1	Cody Hodgson	C	Brampton Battalion [OHL]	328	64	78	142	68
2008 Entry	41	2	Yann Sauve	D	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]	8	0	0	0	0
2008 Entry	131	5	Prabh Rai	C	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]
2008 Entry	161	6	Mats Josten-Froshaug	C	Linkoping HC Jr. [Swe-Jr]
2008 Entry	191	7	Morgan Clark	G	Red Deer Rebels [WHL]

Gillis inherited much of his success - that is not a debate.

 

What did he leave behind for his successor(s)?

 

A paltry prospect pool.

 

What did Benning draft? A good chunk of the roster. Demko, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Hughes, Pettersson. We need not say anymore. Gillis sucked because very few of his prospects (first round or not) panned out in any meaningful way.

How many Presidents trophies and trips to the stanley cup finals did Burke, Nonis and Benning have combined? Nobody cares about calder trophies, nominations, yadda yadda. You're crazy if you think Gillis is thinking, "hey im gotta get a bunch of picks so the the guy taking my job is gonna be successful" LOL. He's trying to save his behind, not build it up for the next guy. Brian Burke mortaged a lot of picks before Nonis (to think they were friends too) got there and he did the same thing prior to Gillis. We already know how bad Gillis is in drafting, but he brought results.

 

Let me ask you, if Nonis had all these guys, Kesler, Sedins, Luongo, etc where was their trip the finals?, lets hear your excuses

 

Gillis augmented Nonis and Burke's guys with Hamhuis, Torres, Lapierre, Higgins, Erhoff, Malhotra and to a very small extent Samuelsson, Tambellini, maybe even Keith Ballard. Without those guys I mentioned except Malhotra (who played a HUGE HUGE part in the regular season) we don't make it to the finals. Erhoff was a massive piece but people who actually watched that run know that Torres and Lapierre played critical roles, with Hansen forming probably the best 3rd line this franchise has ever seen

[spook007]

1 hour ago, filthycanuck said:

Lockwood should already have been through the door, taking off his shoes and going in the house considering what little or nothing Chiasson has been giving us

Think it was his defensive game, which held him back after the camp. It did look at times as if the game was passing him by. 
And tbh was pleased he didn't get thrown into the deep end of that garbage show at the start of the season...

We are quick to single players out, so I think maturing him in Abby is probably a price worth paying. 
Can't wait to see him in Vancouver... 

[johngould21]

6 hours ago, filthycanuck said:

How many Presidents trophies and trips to the stanley cup finals did Burke, Nonis and Benning have combined? Nobody cares about calder trophies, nominations, yadda yadda. You're crazy if you think Gillis is thinking, "hey im gotta get a bunch of picks so the the guy taking my job is gonna be successful" LOL. He's trying to save his behind, not build it up for the next guy. Brian Burke mortaged a lot of picks before Nonis (to think they were friends too) got there and he did the same thing prior to Gillis. We already know how bad Gillis is in drafting, but he brought results.

 

Let me ask you, if Nonis had all these guys, Kesler, Sedins, Luongo, etc where was their trip the finals?, lets hear your excuses

 

Gillis augmented Nonis and Burke's guys with Hamhuis, Torres, Lapierre, Higgins, Erhoff, Malhotra and to a very small extent Samuelsson, Tambellini, maybe even Keith Ballard. Without those guys I mentioned except Malhotra (who played a HUGE HUGE part in the regular season) we don't make it to the finals. Erhoff was a massive piece but people who actually watched that run know that Torres and Lapierre played critical roles, with Hansen forming probably the best 3rd line this franchise has ever seen

He was a beast in the first round of that almost cup run. His injury really hurt the scoring balance.

[Dazzle]

7 hours ago, filthycanuck said:

How many Presidents trophies and trips to the stanley cup finals did Burke, Nonis and Benning have combined? Nobody cares about calder trophies, nominations, yadda yadda. You're crazy if you think Gillis is thinking, "hey im gotta get a bunch of picks so the the guy taking my job is gonna be successful" LOL. He's trying to save his behind, not build it up for the next guy. Brian Burke mortaged a lot of picks before Nonis (to think they were friends too) got there and he did the same thing prior to Gillis. We already know how bad Gillis is in drafting, but he brought results.

 

Let me ask you, if Nonis had all these guys, Kesler, Sedins, Luongo, etc where was their trip the finals?, lets hear your excuses

 

Gillis augmented Nonis and Burke's guys with Hamhuis, Torres, Lapierre, Higgins, Erhoff, Malhotra and to a very small extent Samuelsson, Tambellini, maybe even Keith Ballard. Without those guys I mentioned except Malhotra (who played a HUGE HUGE part in the regular season) we don't make it to the finals. Erhoff was a massive piece but people who actually watched that run know that Torres and Lapierre played critical roles, with Hansen forming probably the best 3rd line this franchise has ever seen

It's always the president's trophy excuse that comes up to defend Gillis. What did good do after 2011 when the core he had was diminished? Simple question because that truly highlighted how poor Gillis was.

 

Gillis was given a lot to work with when he started. A lot. Kesler, Sedins, Luongo, Kesler, all in their prime.

 

What was Benning given? A declining Sedins, an injured and disgruntled Kesler, and some scrap parts, with an empty prospect pool.

 

Wake up. Gillis was a terrible GM. The successes he had were largely due to the previous GMs acquisitions. Gillis succeeded in selecting supplementary players. That's it. After 2011, we finally see the true colours of Gillis. We also see just empty our prospect pool had become. Empty.