JM_ Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 the rebuild started when the Sedins decided to retire. Before that there was still the idea that free agency could keep the team competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, coastal.view said: don't try to recast the historical goalie controversy/mess as a first step in the rebuild the nucks wanted to move luongo but were unable to so they defaulted to moving schneider and intended to keep luong long term and then they messed up the keeping luongo thing by completely disrespecting him and he demanded out and we lost the best goalie tandem in the league that whole thing was a mess at the time and management floundered on how to deal with it all granted, bo turned out to be an excellent move and marky has finally matured so it looks better currently but for a time there it appeared to be a gong show Appeared? They hired Tortorella...I think it's safe to say it was, without a doubt, a gong show. I put the first blame on him for the Luongo debacle, and then management for letting him do it (and hiring him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 For me, it really officially starts at the Sedins' retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, timberz21 said: Appeared? They hired Tortorella...I think it's safe to say it was, without a doubt, a gong show. I put the first blame on him for the Luongo debacle, and then management for letting him do it (and hiring him). the goaltending mess started before torts was hired torts simply put the icing on the cake and finalized the luongo leaving thing but torts was not the whole story. .just the final chapter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, coastal.view said: don't try to recast the historical goalie controversy/mess as a first step in the rebuild the nucks wanted to move luongo but were unable to so they defaulted to moving schneider and intended to keep luong long term and then they messed up the keeping luongo thing by completely disrespecting him and he demanded out and we lost the best goalie tandem in the league that whole thing was a mess at the time and management floundered on how to deal with it all granted, bo turned out to be an excellent move and marky has finally matured so it looks better currently but for a time there it appeared to be a gong show Nowhere did I say or insinuate it wasn't a gong show. Doesn't mean it also wasn't a rebuilding move (not sure what else you call moving a young goalie entering his primes for a 9th OA pick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Nowhere did I say or insinuate it wasn't a gong show. Doesn't mean it also wasn't a rebuilding move (not sure what else you call moving a young goalie entering his primes for a 9th OA pick). desperation because the other moves they tried did not work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, coastal.view said: desperation because the other moves they tried did not work Again, not declaring it wasn't a gong show (or desperate) but they could have moved him for something else like a current NHL player etc but instead moved him for the 9th OA pick, a rebuilding move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SN- Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: Again, not declaring it wasn't a gong show (or desperate) but they could have moved him for something else like a current NHL player etc but instead moved him for the 9th OA pick, a rebuilding move. Does a single 'rebuilding move' make it a rebuild? At the time they were fully intending to compete for the playoffs, sign FA's, and there was never as much of a mention of rebuilding (which shockingly didn't happen until 2017). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Pretty hard to truly rebuild around the twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, aGENT said: Again, not declaring it wasn't a gong show (or desperate) but they could have moved him for something else like a current NHL player etc but instead moved him for the 9th OA pick, a rebuilding move. believe what you wish there are elite teams that move high end players that they cannot sign for a high draft picks that does not mean they are rebuilding you wish to spin this as rebuilding the nucks were not rebuilding at the time gillis was still the gm when this deal happened there is no way anyone believed the canucks were rebuilding they were under extreme pressure to resolve their goalie fiasco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, StealthNuck said: Does a 'rebuilding move' make it a rebuild? At they time they were fully intending to compete for the playoffs, sign FA's, and there was never as much of a mention of rebuilding (which shockingly didn't happen until 2017). Didn't say it did. 53 minutes ago, aGENT said: Honestly don't view it as a 'hard' line in the sand like some want to insist on here. We started 'transitioning to youth' basically as soon as he got here (which is largely just marketing jargon for rebuilding, stop kidding yourselves). Heck, you can make a case that former GM Gillis made one of the first 'rebuild' moves by moving Schneider for the 9Th OA pick/Horvat. But people like to scream on about narratives and want a nice clean 'the rebuild started at X time/move' instead of simply viewing the reality of the situation. We were still a recent playoff/President's cup team when he came in and had a couple immovable twins and a bunch of guys with NTC's etc and no ready youth to slot in. We couldn't have torn it completely down even if we wanted to. Nor is 'tear down' synonymous with 'rebuild'. So he started to get younger and rebuild as the main focus, while simultaneously attempting to support the roster guys he couldn't move as best he could. That included attempting to build some (non-existent) younger organizational depth (Baer, Granlund, Vey etc) from basically nothing (and probably the most disputed part of the rebuild). As the rebuild rolled along and we added more youth to the NHL roster (and general organizational depth/youth elsewhere), the need to add near ready or NHL experienced youth has become less of a priority and picks and longer term prospects have become more so. All part of the evolution of the plan and not some 'change' or 'mark of the real rebuild'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, The 5th Line said: What are we even doing that is considered "rebuilding? We are still signing and trading for older players with term. What has changed? We had just 6 picks in the 2016 draft. That's the year they decided to rebuild? Okay, rebuilding with what? Just banking on knocking all of their picks out of the park There is more than one way to skin a cat as the old saying goes. Just because they didn't rebuild the way you or other detractors wanted doesn't mean it was a fail or not a rebuild. Plenty of teams have been stuck in neutral going on decades. I just hope that's not where this team is at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: believe what you wish there are elite teams that move high end players that they cannot sign for a high draft picks that does not mean they are rebuilding you wish to spin this as rebuilding the nucks were not rebuilding at the time gillis was still the gm when this deal happened there is no way anyone believed the canucks were rebuilding they were under extreme pressure so resolve their goalie fiasco See above post to Stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Easy answer..... 4 years too LATE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, luckylager said: Pretty hard to truly rebuild around the twins. Should have told Hank and Danny... We are rebuilding ... you can be part of it... or not. Let us know in the next few weeks and we can accomodate your wishes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 i look at it as starting with virtanen, then added to him, pettersson, boeser, gaudette, lind, demko, dipietro, hughes, juplevi, woo, hutton, stecher. add a supporting cast of roussel, beagle and motte. instead of looking at, when it began, we should be looking at how it progressing? and how far away we are from completion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: For me, it really officially starts at the Sedins' retirement. seems like a pretty bright line to me. That changed everything, who the scoring lines would be, additions like Beagle and Roussel, and a change to "being competitive" vs. real playoff talk, etc. Yes there was some development going on but nothing outside of what most teams do, now its clearly about getting more kids into bigger roles and not expecting to be truly competitive for a while yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 ok rebuild began 2017 when we pick petterson got rid of Hansen and burrows . ,, years before were a retool the willie d years ie loui contract , sutter and then , torteralla was a desperate kick at the can to try to squeeze success out of a stale core , if anything blame ownership they control the strings of the puppets and the purse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Should have told Hank and Danny... We are rebuilding ... you can be part of it... or not. Let us know in the next few weeks and we can accomodate your wishes... And they would have stayed. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Hey remember those Sedin boys? They were pretty good eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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