CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Ferland missed the remainder of the regular season and parts of the playoffs because of his right shoulder. Did not have surgery on it. same shoulder he used to hit Kerfoot last night. Could potentially be that right shoulder injured again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Man, this guy just can’t catch a break. Let him heal, hope we can see him back at some point during the season. When he is in the line up, he sure make his presence felt. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Ferland missed the remainder of the regular season and parts of the playoffs because of his right shoulder. Did not have surgery on it. same shoulder he used to hit Kerfoot last night. Could potentially be that right shoulder injured again. Same reason Virtanen isn’t able to throw thunderous hits anymore. Hopefully it doesn’t require surgery, but still better than another concussion if that’s the case. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 hours ago, aGENT said: Teams have insurance for this sort of thing. Won't likely cost FA much of anything to have MF on LTIR. Won't cost the team cap space either. LTIR limits how much cap space can be banked and it often leads to a bonus overage - that's then dead cap space for the following season. Canucks have Pettersson, Hughes still on their ELCs this year and next and they have performance bonuses. See Dallas - they had about 12M of players out long term (Johns, Hanzal, Methot) but because of how LTIR works they were unable to cover Heiskanen's performance bonus last year despite having that much money on LTIR. They have about 900K counting against their cap this season for last year's bonus. It also limits who can be recalled. For example with LTIR in use Juolevi as a recall is no longer a cap hit of 863K but of 2.3M this season because attainable performance bonuses have to be covered with LTIR in use. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aGENT Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 22 minutes ago, mll said: LTIR limits how much cap space can be banked and it often leads to a bonus overage - that's then dead cap space for the following season. Canucks have Pettersson, Hughes still on their ELCs this year and next and they have performance bonuses. See Dallas - they had about 12M of players out long term (Johns, Hanzal, Methot) but because of how LTIR works they were unable to cover Heiskanen's performance bonus last year despite having that much money on LTIR. They have about 900K counting against their cap this season for last year's bonus. It also limits who can be recalled. For example with LTIR in use Juolevi as a recall is no longer a cap hit of 863K but of 2.3M this season because attainable performance bonuses have to be covered with LTIR in use. and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Squamfan said: How would "post concussion" symptoms not be concussed? Why would the Canucks (JB) play with semantics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Shut him down for the season. Health comes first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: and? The bolded. LTIR can cost cap space because of the performance bonuses. 4 hours ago, aGENT said: Teams have insurance for this sort of thing. Won't likely cost FA much of anything to have MF on LTIR. Won't cost the team cap space either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, mll said: The bolded. LTIR can cost cap space because of the performance bonuses. That come out of the overage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: That come out of the overage There's an overage because of LTIR. Without LTIR the overage is less because teams can cover bonuses through banked cap space. Dallas could have covered the 900K without LTIR but because of LTIR they couldn't bank cap space and it led to an overage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, mll said: There's an overage because of LTIR. Without LTIR the overage is less because teams can cover bonuses through banked cap space. Dallas could have covered the 900K without LTIR but because of LTIR they couldn't bank cap space and it led to an overage. Oh no...the $900k's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Oh no...the $900k's! That's Dallas and Heiskanen. Canucks have Hughes, Pettersson and Gaudette - they combine potentially for far more than that. Edited December 11, 2019 by mll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, mll said: That's Dallas and Heiskanen. Canucks have Hughes, Pettersson and Gaudette - they combine for far more than that. Well you carry on worrying about it for the rest of us MLL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Good news that it's not a concussion anyway. Say what we will about Lucic being too slow etc., the guy never ever gets injured and he can kick some major a** if he wants to. I actually wish we traded Loui for him during the off season, but that ship has sailed. Hoping Ferland can recover quick (assuming he was hurt on the hit on Kerfoot?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Say what we will about Lucic being too slow etc., the guy never ever gets injured and he can kick some major a** if he wants to. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=83957 Missed 5 games in 2007/08 Missed 10 games in 2008/09 Missed 32 games in 2009/10 missed 3 games in 2010/11 missed 36 games in 2012/13 missed 3 games in 2018/19 Missed a game or two in 4 other seasons Edited December 11, 2019 by gurn 4 seasons,not 3 like originally posted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 ffs, really hope he gets better and can stay that way, what play yesterday made him injured again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 54 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: 12/13 was a lock-out shortened year and those years he misses a few games are from suspension. The guy is completely durable You're saying like it's a plus that Louie E never gets injured. (yes, I'm joking. I never wish injury on a Canuck player). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 7 hours ago, aGENT said: Oh no...the $900k's! $900,000 against the cap is considerable considering our current cap situation. With everyone healthy and our extra players sent down, we only have about 1.2 million in space, which isn't enough. 7 hours ago, mll said: That's Dallas and Heiskanen. Canucks have Hughes, Pettersson and Gaudette - they combine potentially for far more than that. Do you have any estimates for how much that could cost? Is somewhere around 1.5 - 2 million fair? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: $900,000 against the cap is considerable considering our current cap situation. With everyone healthy and our extra players sent down, we only have about 1.2 million in space, which isn't enough. Do you have any estimates for how much that could cost? Is somewhere around 1.5 - 2 million fair? CapFriendly for now projects the Canucks to finish with 30K in cap space. That would be what is available to cover the performance bonuses if Sutter does not come off LTIR. He will eventually, but over a 3rd of the season is already gone so the ~1.2M available with everyone healthy is now down to less than ~800K. There will likely always be some recalls to deal with short term injuries, even once everyone is off LTIR. Unless they trade someone there will probably be an overage that will count against next season's cap. Hughes, Pettersson and Gaudette have schedule A bonuses of 850K each. Pettersson and Hughes look on their way to hit their targets - 1.7M combined. There are 9 possible schedule A targets allowed in an ELC for Fs and 10 for Ds (blocked shots). Each target cannot be worth more than $212'500 and the amount paid out is capped at 850K even if they reach more (i.e. 4 maximum individual targets reached). Ice time - top-6 F or top-4 D on aggregate and/or per game on the team among Fs/Ds with at least 42 games played Goals - min 20 for Fs / 10 for Ds Assists - min 35 for Fs / 25 for Ds Points - min 60 for Fs / 40 for Ds Points per game - min 0.73 for Fs / 0.49 for Ds (min 42 games) Plus-minus rating - among top-3 F / top-3 D on team (players with min 42 games) Blocked shots - among top-2 D on team (players with min 42 games) NHL all rookie team All star nomination All star MVP Pettersson has schedule B bonuses of up to 2M on top of his 850K. That's for league wide performance like winning a major award, making the All-Star team or being top-10 in league scoring either by goals, assists or ppg. Teams don't share the breakdown but not sure he could hit any of those targets this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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