Monty Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 30 minutes ago, rekker said: Me neither. But if we could get him for Baer I'd do it. Worth a gamble and maybe the kid has been humbled a bit? The Isles are already paying Andrew Ladd to not play on their NHL club, don't think they need Baer. At all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Baer did the same thing with the Flames when sent down and demanded a trade Same thing here We traded a 2nd round pick for him, he is more established now , Is it because of his health and over payment we won't get a better return on him after establishing him as a NHL guy ? Looks like he will not be in a Canucks uniform ,even if an injury May as well get what you can, sad to think that instead of receiving a better draft pick in a return, that you may have to give him away and retain most of his wage In hindsight , another move that bit us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckpuckluck1 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: Baer did the same thing with the Flames when sent down and demanded a trade Same thing here We traded a 2nd round pick for him, he is more established now , Is it because of his health and over payment we won't get a better return on him after establishing him as a NHL guy ? Looks like he will not be in a Canucks uniform ,even if an injury May as well get what you can, sad to think that instead of receiving a better draft pick in a return, that you may have to give him away and retain most of his wage In hindsight , another move that bit us I don't think the move bit the Canucks... but the head injury sure did! Whats worse the incident never even saw any punishment for the perpetrator. Its unfortunate for the team and Baer as I feel he would definitely be on the team if he didn't suffer the injury. The Canucks really do have some sort of curse, not sure why but it seems real. How do you explain Erikkssons dramatic cliff fall? Baers head injury? Manny's eye injury? Luc Burdon RIP? Twice losing in the SCF in game 7? Daniels concussion in the playoffs? The first draft roulette wheel loss? Never won the Stanley Cup? Baer is just another in a long line of unfortunate occurrences for the organisation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, canuckpuckluck15 said: I don't think the move bit the Canucks... but the head injury sure did! Whats worse the incident never even saw any punishment for the perpetrator. Its unfortunate for the team and Baer as I feel he would definitely be on the team if he didn't suffer the injury. The Canucks really do have some sort of curse, not sure why but it seems real. How do you explain Erikkssons dramatic cliff fall? Baers head injury? Manny's eye injury? Luc Burdon RIP? Twice losing in the SCF in game 7? Daniels concussion in the playoffs? The first draft roulette wheel loss? Never won the Stanley Cup? Baer is just another in a long line of unfortunate occurrences for the organisation. Yes, along with Neely and Vaive turning into stars as soon as we trade them away (to a lesser extent Michael Grabner) Wayne Maki's mid season Death (Messier then given his number) Everyone forgets to blame Owner for dissing and also towards Trevor Raymonds broken back Never having a 1st overall draft pick Dan Hamhius hip check injury (dmen casualties already) Aaron Rome unprecedented suspension (which started the turn around) to name a few more 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 7 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: Yes, along with Neely and Vaive turning into stars as soon as we trade them away (to a lesser extent Michael Grabner) Wayne Maki's mid season Death (Messier then given his number) Everyone forgets to blame Owner for dissing and also towards Trevor Raymonds broken back Never having a 1st overall draft pick Dan Hamhius hip check injury (dmen casualties already) Aaron Rome unprecedented suspension (which started the turn around) to name a few more It has been 50 years. $&!# happens. Physical game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayinblack Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 16 hours ago, canuckpuckluck15 said: I don't think the move bit the Canucks... but the head injury sure did! Whats worse the incident never even saw any punishment for the perpetrator. Its unfortunate for the team and Baer as I feel he would definitely be on the team if he didn't suffer the injury. The Canucks really do have some sort of curse, not sure why but it seems real. How do you explain Erikkssons dramatic cliff fall? Baers head injury? Manny's eye injury? Luc Burdon RIP? Twice losing in the SCF in game 7? Daniels concussion in the playoffs? The first draft roulette wheel loss? Never won the Stanley Cup? Baer is just another in a long line of unfortunate occurrences for the organisation. don't forget the Moore incident which derailed a very strong contending team right before the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 16 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: Yes, along with Neely and Vaive turning into stars as soon as we trade them away (to a lesser extent Michael Grabner) Wayne Maki's mid season Death (Messier then given his number) Everyone forgets to blame Owner for dissing and also towards Trevor Raymonds broken back Never having a 1st overall draft pick Dan Hamhius hip check injury (dmen casualties already) Aaron Rome unprecedented suspension (which started the turn around) to name a few more Might as well add Bertuzzi Moore incident to the list. I'd say we beat Flames in 2004 with Bert in the lineup. That could have been our 3rd appearance in the SCF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post joe-max Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 17 hours ago, canuckpuckluck15 said: The Canucks really do have some sort of curse, not sure why but it seems real. How do you explain Erikkssons dramatic cliff fall? Baers head injury? Manny's eye injury? Luc Burdon RIP? Twice losing in the SCF in game 7? Daniels concussion in the playoffs? The first draft roulette wheel loss? Never won the Stanley Cup? Baer is just another in a long line of unfortunate occurrences for the organisation. 16 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: Yes, along with Neely and Vaive turning into stars as soon as we trade them away (to a lesser extent Michael Grabner) Wayne Maki's mid season Death (Messier then given his number) Everyone forgets to blame Owner for dissing and also towards Trevor Raymonds broken back Never having a 1st overall draft pick Dan Hamhius hip check injury (dmen casualties already) Aaron Rome unprecedented suspension (which started the turn around) to name a few more While I agree that some incidents were really bad luck, this victim mentality is hard to bear. There is good luck, there is bad luck, there is good times, there is bad times. It would be nicer to have had more luck, but a curse? A few positive things that happened to the organization off the top of my head: - tricking all other GMs to secure Bure in the 1989 draft - reaching the Cup final in 2011 through a fluke (stanchion) goal - Burrows shorty against Carolina in 05/06 to end a 8 game losing streak and save AV's job, who eventually become the winningest coach in Canucks history - barely escaping the first round in 1994 to continue to make it to the finals - stealing Näslund from Pittsburgh - stealing Brodeur from the Islanders - trading Linden for parts of the core of the WCE and the Sedin era while getting him back a few years later. - securing Boeser, EP and Hughes in the draft although never picking top 3 - Druken sending the Canucks to the playoffs for the first time in 5 years in 2001 - having the Sedins for som many good years (including their final home game) I'm sure there is more. Help me out. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, joe-max said: While I agree that some incidents were really bad luck, this victim mentality is hard to bear. There is good luck, there is bad luck, there is good times, there is bad times. It would be nicer to have had more luck, but a curse? A few positive things that happened to the organization off the top of my head: - tricking all other GMs to secure Bure in the 1989 draft - reaching the Cup final in 2011 through a fluke (stanchion) goal - Burrows shorty against Carolina in 05/06 to end a 8 game losing streak and save AV's job, who eventually become the winningest coach in Canucks history - barely escaping the first round in 1994 to continue to make it to the finals - stealing Näslund from Pittsburgh - stealing Brodeur from the Islanders - trading Linden for parts of the core of the WCE and the Sedin era while getting him back a few years later. - securing Boeser, EP and Hughes in the draft although never picking top 3 - Druken sending the Canucks to the playoffs for the first time in 5 years in 2001 - having the Sedins for som many good years (including their final home game) I'm sure there is more. Help me out. Big ups for remembering the Brodeur acquisition. I guess if I were to try to add to your list... The Ronning / Geoff Courtnall etc. trade, where we gained a third of a Stanley Cup Final top six (and more) for rapidly declining assets. Luongo for post-Moore Bertuzzi. Getting 800 games out of Burrows without even having to draft or trade for him. LA taking out the Oilers for us in 1982. To be honest, it is a little easier to list the bad luck... Edited December 20, 2019 by Kevin Biestra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 12/18/2019 at 4:29 PM, VegasCanuck said: We kind of dodged a bullet with not drafting Patrick. He had concussion issues before he was drafted as well, wouldn't be surprised if he has a short career. Talented kid, but he's had too many, too fast. I believe his injury is related to chronic migraines and they are unsure if it’s related to a concussion because he had the same type of thing growing up. either way, tough break for a guys that’s always been a real good player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, chickenman92 said: I believe his injury is related to chronic migraines and they are unsure if it’s related to a concussion because he had the same type of thing growing up. either way, tough break for a guys that’s always been a real good player Hischer and Patrick are both pretty much bustaroos 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Diesel Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: Hischer and Patrick are both pretty much bustaroos Hischier is not a bust. Just not 1st overall. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: Hischer and Patrick are both pretty much bustaroos I think Hischier will have an okay career, but I'd be really worried about Patrick if I'm Phily. Even before they drafted him, he was having issues staying healthy for a full season in Junior. I think its between Maker and Pettersson as to who the best player in the 2017 draft was. I think Pettersson has a slight edge, but Maker is pretty impressive. With how Lind and DiPietro are developing in Utica this season, and Rathbone in College, the 2017 draft is looking pretty strong for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, Alflives said: Hischer and Patrick are both pretty much bustaroos Hischier is a solid first round pick. Patrick is also expected to play this season...despite the migraine disorder. To label either a "bustaroo" at 20/21 years old is ignorant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 He got picked up by the Jets in my NHL 20 season fwiw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: He got picked up by the Jets in my NHL 20 season fwiw Well he's gonna get a call-up presumably - or Goldobin, depending on how bad Leivo's injury is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industrious1 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Ugh, no more Goldobin please. Hard to watch him miss the net from the dot constantly. It is getting to a "Raymond falling down" type situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 14 hours ago, Alflives said: Hischer and Patrick are both pretty much bustaroos Bust??? Hischer has more games and points than anyone in the 2017 draft class. I’d hardly say he’s a bust. And if he is, what does that make Virtanen and Joulevi? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckGAME Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Alflives said: Hischer and Patrick are both pretty much bustaroos Your posts never cease to amaze me. What a ridiculous statement. Edited December 20, 2019 by CanuckGAME 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, chickenman92 said: Bust??? Hischer has more games and points than anyone in the 2017 draft class. I’d hardly say he’s a bust. And if he is, what does that make Virtanen and Joulevi? JV and OJ are strawman arguments. Those two guys are bustaroos. Hischier is a Smurf. He’s at best a number three centre. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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